[xj] 1969 XJ - comments?

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Hello listers,
A friend of mine bought a 1969 xj the other day. It is an
interesting car. Recent respray in original colour, sable, tidy
biscuit interior, chrome bezels etc.

The car has some features I haven’t seen on other xjs which make it
interesting. For example, at the back of the fuel caps is a chrome
finisher, sort of an extension of the ‘spine’ of the fuel cap (the
elevated bit). It has a one piece rear bumper, copper pipe instead
of rubber tubing from the front doors to the body, no rear badge or
reflectors under the rear lights (giving it a cleaner look),
hatched treadplates a la the Mark X, not the polished ‘Jaguar’ sort.
Also it has electric windows and integrated air conditioning, not
the aftermarket kind. This is fairly unusual as I have never seen a
series I car in Australia with these before. My own car has the
aftermarket unit. It has different windscreen rubbers with much
wider chromed, not stainless, trim pieces over them.

Also, the car spent time in England, Italy, England and then
Australia. It came with full documentation, even bills of lading
from the ships it travelled on and the original rego numbers.

Does anyone else have a similar car to this? How common are these
very early cars nowadays?–
mark
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In reply to a message from markfrolund sent Sun 18 Apr 2004:

Mark, I bought a '70 xj6 awhile ago and it doesn’t have
the ‘extentions’ behind the gas filler openings. My ‘76 ‘does’
though, and they say, ‘‘unleaded fuel only’’ I’d sure think someone
put these on, thinking they were ‘cool’ I want to take mine off,
thinking it would look ‘cool’ Look to see if there is
an ‘indentation’ where a ‘sticker’ might have been, that said:
unleaded fuel’
By ‘chrome bezels’ do you mean ‘beauty rings’? They fit onto the
steel wheels, between the hup caps and the tire. That’s what we
call them in the USA, or California anyway. My car has them, as
I’ve been told the early series I’s had steel wheels that were
painted.
A ‘one piece’ rear bumber is new to me. Take a close look, you
might find it is indeed a 3 piece set up, as mine is, with
the ‘over riders’ masking the ‘seams’
In America (California anyway) you need to have some ‘reflective’
surface showing to the rear of the car, and should, for safety.
Maybe the PO took these off. My '70 has rectangle reflectors below
the tail lights, but my '76 has ‘round’ ones a bit ‘inboard’ of the
tail lights. The car also has electric windows.
Let me know if you want some pics. I’ve a '72 also.
I can tell you this, 'the series I’s sure have a pretty dash!
Welcome aboard & get your buddy to post also.–
Gary Boehm 76xj6 (400/400) 72xj6(p. car) 70xj6 (350/350)
lancaster,ca, United States
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Hello listers,
A friend of mine bought a 1969 xj the other day. It is an
interesting car. The car has some features I haven’t seen on other xjs
which make it interesting.

For example, at the back of the fuel caps is a chrome finisher, sort of
an extension of the ‘spine’ of the fuel cap (the elevated bit).

I’ve never seen this on a S-1 car. But from Chassis #1L53363, the fuel
filler cap was changed from vented to non-vented. Maybe the spine was part
of the unvented cap?

The S-3 cars had an elevated cap to accommodate the narrow neck to limit
cars to unleaded gas.

It has a one piece rear bumper

The bumper changed at chassis #1L69908 in October 72 the bumpers were
changed from one to three piece.

…copper pipe instead of rubber tubing from the front doors to the
body

Don’t know about this. I wonder if a PO made the modification?

no rear badge or reflectors under the rear lights (giving it a cleaner
look),

Change occurred at chassis #1L58238 in December 1970 adding the rear
reflectors under the taillights and making the backup lens larger.

hatched treadplates a la the Mark X, not the polished ‘Jaguar’ sort.

The parts books does not give a chassis # or date for this change, only that
the hatched plate is from the “early” cars.

Also it has electric windows and integrated air conditioning, not
the aftermarket kind. This is fairly unusual as I have never seen a
series I car in Australia with these before.

The integrated system is common in the USA

My own car has the aftermarket unit. It has different windscreen rubbers
with much wider chromed, not stainless, trim pieces over them.

I believe the change in the chrome occurred at chassis #1L52958 in May 70.
The gasket underneath is also different.

How common are these very early cars nowadays?

Your friend’s car was appears to have been made prior to May 70 and should
have a chassis # earlier than
1L52952. I think the chassis # started at 50,001 so that would mean it’s in
the first 2,952 made. If 1/3 of the cars made survived, that would mean
about 1,000. But that only a guess.

All this information is available in a compilation of model changes from
JCNA Publications, the Jaguar Club of North America. It’s called “Series 1
XJ6 & XJ12 Technical Seminar, Long Beach '91 by Karen Miller” Cost is $20.
I think you can find it on their web site.

Thanks for asking a question about the S-1. I was beginning to think they
were all extinct. :slight_smile:

Regards
Lou
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Subject: [xj] 1969 XJ - comments?

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In reply to a message from Lou Danzico sent Sun 18 Apr 2004:

thanks for all that info

re those filler caps extensions, I dont know if you know exactly
what I mean when I say the spine is extended

the cap itself is exactly the same as on my series I car, at least
from the top, But then, set about 2mm behind the cap, on the actual
body of the car, is a little chrome knob sort of thing. About 1.5
inches long, sort of like a bullet. Maybe its a cosmetic
modification, I think some pre-XJs had something like it. It gives
the effect of making the spine appear longer than usual.

I have just got the numbers, apparently we have a different set of
numbers in aus because the cars are rhd, it is car no. IL 4073,
and they evidently started at IL 1001, which must make it the
3073rd XJ6 RHD, if that sounds right to you.

agree with you about the 1-series, they are great beasts.–
mark
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the little extension by the filler cap was used on some early cars and
through the SI and SII production for some strange markets. For some reason
most eastern European markets go this extension. In any case this is a very
rare car, RHD early SIs are almost all extinct. Are the exhaust pipes
straight? They should be.

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Sounds very interesting, Mark. Are you in Melbourne? It would be nice to
have a look at it. Or, better still post a few pics of those interesting
features, on J-L.

Fazal
MEL/Oz
82 XJ6
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From: “markfrolund” markfrolund@hotmail.com

Hello listers,
A friend of mine bought a 1969 xj the other day. It is an
interesting car. Recent respray in original colour, sable, tidy
biscuit interior, chrome bezels etc.

The car has some features I haven’t seen on other xjs which make it
interesting. For example, at the back of the fuel caps is a chrome
finisher, sort of an extension of the ‘spine’ of the fuel cap (the
elevated bit). It has a one piece rear bumper, copper pipe instead
of rubber tubing from the front doors to the body, no rear badge or
reflectors under the rear lights (giving it a cleaner look),
hatched treadplates a la the Mark X, not the polished ‘Jaguar’ sort.
Also it has electric windows and integrated air conditioning, not
the aftermarket kind. This is fairly unusual as I have never seen a
series I car in Australia with these before. My own car has the
aftermarket unit. It has different windscreen rubbers with much
wider chromed, not stainless, trim pieces over them.

Also, the car spent time in England, Italy, England and then
Australia. It came with full documentation, even bills of lading
from the ships it travelled on and the original rego numbers.

Does anyone else have a similar car to this? How common are these
very early cars nowadays?

mark

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In reply to a message from Fazal Cader sent Sun 18 Apr 2004:

the cars up in Sydney at the moment but I cant imagine it wont
visit Melbourne at some stage.

Maybe those chrome additions were put on because it was sent to
Italy as an export. I know its not eastern europe but you know, its
closer than England is.

I guess if only the euro cars were fitted with those they will be
very uncommon indeed.

I feel so inadequate in my 72 with its black instrument bezels and
normal caps!–
mark
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In reply to a message from markfrolund sent Sun 18 Apr 2004:

Mark, The features you mentioned were fitted on VERY early Cars
from what I remember, I have indeed had them with those features,
they also carried some of them over to later models, even on series
2 Cars for certain Markets, as another Poster has pointed out in
this thread. The value of these Cars is entirely dependant on
rarity & most importantly, Condition, we all know the work & cost
of restoring one to ‘‘Concours’’ , which will never be the same as an
original immaculate example that has detailed provenance.But when
they start getting upwards of �10k, theres a hell of a lot of more
sought after Cars that come into the Frame. Those heady days of the
late 80s when E-Types were hitting the �100k mark, I hope, will
never return, even though I did well in that era until the bubble
burst!Regards, Bernie the Bolt!–
The original message included these comments:

The car has some features I haven’t seen on other xjs which make it
interesting. For example, at the back of the fuel caps is a chrome
finisher, sort of an extension of the ‘spine’ of the fuel cap (the
elevated bit). It has a one piece rear bumper, copper pipe instead
of rubber tubing from the front doors to the body, no rear badge or
reflectors under the rear lights (giving it a cleaner look),
hatched treadplates a la the Mark X, not the polished ‘Jaguar’ sort.
Also it has electric windows and integrated air conditioning, not
the aftermarket kind. This is fairly unusual as I have never seen a
aftermarket unit. It has different windscreen rubbers with much
wider chromed, not stainless, trim pieces over them.

–
mesh grilled kiwi wheeled xj40Daimler1990
Dover, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from Lou Danzico sent Sun 18 Apr 2004:

thanks for all that info

re those filler caps extensions, I dont know if you know exactly
what I mean when I say the spine is extended

They extend the “ridge” on top of the petrol cap I guess. They were
standard issue on E.E.C, Czech, Rumanian and Russian (!) cars. P/N is
BD36623 and they’re on page 26 25 of parts catalogue RTC9106
I don’t think they serve a real purpose, but they look nice:)–
Arnoud

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