[xj] 2001 X-Type door mechanism

Gentlemen,
Firstly, apologies for cross-posting but it is rather urgent.

My driver-door, that obviously gets the most use, has started playing up. It
unlocks on the remote but when the handle is lifted it does not release the
latch. Started as an occasional problem but it’s getting worse. Today, I
left the car running and got out to move my S3 and, then, couldn’t get back
in. Luckily, being at home, I used the spare key to unlock all the doors so
I could get in and reach across to the door handle from the inside.

Would the solution be similar to the S3? Ie, take of the door trim and have
a fiddle with the mechanism from the inside?

Fazal
Melbourne, Oz
1982 S3 XJ6 4.2
2001 X-Type 3.0 AWD===================================================
The archives and FAQ will answer many queries on the XJ series…
FAQs: http://www.jag-lovers.org/xjlovers/xjfaq/index.html
Archives: http://www.jag-lovers.org/lists/search.html

To remove yourself from this list, go to http://www.jag-lovers.org/cgi-bin/majordomo.

// please trim quoted text to context only

In reply to a message from Fazal Cader sent Sat 7 Jun 2014:

Hello Fazal, There is a small plastic ‘‘thingy’’ that
attaches the door handle to the door latch rod. It is
splined so as to be adjustable. The splines wear causing it
to slip on the rod resulting in difficulty opening the
door. They are still available thru Jaguar. However, if you
possess any level of ‘‘cheapskateness’’ (I achieved the
highest degree of this condition many years ago),a little
silicone adhesive will hold them in place after they have
been correctly positioned/adjusted. Getting to them is a
little fiddly. After my first encounter with the problem on
my car, I used a hole saw to make an access hole in the
inner door skin…makes it MUCH easier…especially if you
need to loosen the outside door handle. Cheers, Andy–
c.3823
–Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]–
–Support Jag-lovers - Donate at http://www.jag-lovers.org/donate04.php

Gentlemen,
Firstly, apologies for cross-posting but it is rather urgent.

My driver-door, that obviously gets the most use, has started playing up. It
unlocks on the remote but when the handle is lifted it does not release the
latch. Started as an occasional problem but it’s getting worse. Today, I
left the car running and got out to move my S3 and, then, couldn’t get back
in. Luckily, being at home, I used the spare key to unlock all the doors so
I could get in and reach across to the door handle from the inside.

Would the solution be similar to the S3? Ie, take of the door trim and have
a fiddle with the mechanism from the inside?

All central and remote locking works on the same principles, Fazal -
‘motors’ unlock the mechanism, freeing the door handles to unlatch the door
with the door handles…

Generally, the motors are activated by a control unit in the driver’s door -
which on ‘manual’ systems moves as the door key or paddle, all interlocked
by rods. This induces a brief power pulse to the other doors - the driver’s
door is unlocked mechanically by the key/paddle…

With remote control; the control unit incorporates a motor within the
control unit. As the remote is operated, it powers the driver’s door motor -
and as this ‘moves’ the control unit; the unit then triggers the other
motors. Using the key moves the control unit directly, opening the divers
door and triggers the control unit…

Four avenues; the rod from the driver’s door to the lock is maladjusted or
stuck - not freeing the lock/outside handle. In which case the other doors
should lock/unlock as the driver’s motor actually moves with remote or with
the key (the inside paddle use a different rod). Sort of your symptom…?

Or the motor in the control unit has failed - in which case neither locks
operate with remote, but using the key - triggering the other locks. But if
the rod/control unit connected to the lock mechanism is out of adjustment,
or the unit/motor is loose - the key just moves the rod insufficiently, or
just moves the whole unit in the bracket. However, this is mirroring the
SIII set-up, but with remote introduced on the xj40 the motor control unit
(Kiekert) was incorporated in the a rather compact set-up, needing
lubrication at times - which may be the case for the X-Type…

Or the control unit has failed - in which case the other doors will not
operate, key or remote…:slight_smile:

Or the remote has failed (checked its battery?), in which case everything
works normally with the key - but not with the remote…

Of course there could be a combination of faults, but the most likely is
either a maladjusted/stuck rod/mechanism - and removing the door trim for a
peek should reveal something. But the overall symptoms should be verified
first…:slight_smile:

Frank
xj6 85 Sov Europe (UK/NZ)-----Original Message-----
From: Fazal Cader
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 4:20 PM
To: X-Type ; XJ List
Subject: [xj] 2001 X-Type door mechanism

===================================================
The archives and FAQ will answer many queries on the XJ series…
FAQs: http://www.jag-lovers.org/xjlovers/xjfaq/index.html
Archives: http://www.jag-lovers.org/lists/search.html

To remove yourself from this list, go to http://www.jag-lovers.org/cgi-bin/majordomo.

// please trim quoted text to context only

It’s just the mechanical action on lifting the door handle that is not
working. All the remote functions, motor actions, etc are all ok. Think its
the rod. I’ll have a look tomorrow and report.

Cheers
Fazal----- Original Message -----
From: “Frank Andersen” franksue@xtra.co.nz
To: “Fazal Cader” <@Fazal_Cader>; “X-Type” x-type@jag-lovers.org; “XJ
List” xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [xj] 2001 X-Type door mechanism

-----Original Message-----
From: Fazal Cader
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 4:20 PM
To: X-Type ; XJ List
Subject: [xj] 2001 X-Type door mechanism

Gentlemen,
Firstly, apologies for cross-posting but it is rather urgent.

My driver-door, that obviously gets the most use, has started playing up.
It
unlocks on the remote but when the handle is lifted it does not release
the
latch. Started as an occasional problem but it’s getting worse. Today, I
left the car running and got out to move my S3 and, then, couldn’t get
back
in. Luckily, being at home, I used the spare key to unlock all the doors
so
I could get in and reach across to the door handle from the inside.

Would the solution be similar to the S3? Ie, take of the door trim and
have
a fiddle with the mechanism from the inside?

All central and remote locking works on the same principles, Fazal -
‘motors’ unlock the mechanism, freeing the door handles to unlatch the
door with the door handles…

Generally, the motors are activated by a control unit in the driver’s
door - which on ‘manual’ systems moves as the door key or paddle, all
interlocked by rods. This induces a brief power pulse to the other doors -
the driver’s door is unlocked mechanically by the key/paddle…

With remote control; the control unit incorporates a motor within the
control unit. As the remote is operated, it powers the driver’s door
motor - and as this ‘moves’ the control unit; the unit then triggers the
other motors. Using the key moves the control unit directly, opening the
divers door and triggers the control unit…

Four avenues; the rod from the driver’s door to the lock is maladjusted or
stuck - not freeing the lock/outside handle. In which case the other doors
should lock/unlock as the driver’s motor actually moves with remote or
with the key (the inside paddle use a different rod). Sort of your
symptom…?

Or the motor in the control unit has failed - in which case neither locks
operate with remote, but using the key - triggering the other locks. But
if the rod/control unit connected to the lock mechanism is out of
adjustment, or the unit/motor is loose - the key just moves the rod
insufficiently, or just moves the whole unit in the bracket. However, this
is mirroring the SIII set-up, but with remote introduced on the xj40 the
motor control unit (Kiekert) was incorporated in the a rather compact
set-up, needing lubrication at times - which may be the case for the
X-Type…

Or the control unit has failed - in which case the other doors will not
operate, key or remote…:slight_smile:

Or the remote has failed (checked its battery?), in which case everything
works normally with the key - but not with the remote…

Of course there could be a combination of faults, but the most likely is
either a maladjusted/stuck rod/mechanism - and removing the door trim for
a peek should reveal something. But the overall symptoms should be
verified first…:slight_smile:

Frank
xj6 85 Sov Europe (UK/NZ)

===================================================
The archives and FAQ will answer many queries on the XJ series…
FAQs: http://www.jag-lovers.org/xjlovers/xjfaq/index.html
Archives: http://www.jag-lovers.org/lists/search.html

To remove yourself from this list, go to http://www.jag-lovers.org/cgi-bin/majordomo.

// please trim quoted text to context only

In reply to a message from Fazal Cader sent Sat 7 Jun 2014:

Fazel

Not 100 per cent ofay with the X Type but many cars these
days have an automatic security system with regards to the
locking whilst the car is running.

If you get out if the car and close the door with the
engine is running after a period of time the doors may
lock. Usually they only ‘re-lock’ whilst the car begins to
move (Mercedes do this)

My advice would be to switch the car off and remove the
key.

I have read similar posts on Jag-lovers and other forums
mentioning the same issue. Many manufacturers have
factored in the security of their cars but not from the
‘owners’ perspective. If the ‘re locking’ is motion
activated I would suggest that this could become sensitive
to other influences(such as wind) or vibration(the engine
running) and re lock the doors.

An inconvenience but not necessarily a fault.

Have you left the car running like that before, with the
doors closed? Maybe lowering the drivers window as a
precaution before closing the door for the future?

Modern systems involving electronics are ‘great ideas’ in
the design studio but sometimes not such ‘great’ ideas in
the practical world. They wouldn’t have factored in that
you have ‘to move your Series III’ for instance :slight_smile:

Just some thoughts

Best

Malcolm–
The original message included these comments:

Gentlemen,
Firstly, apologies for cross-posting but it is rather urgent.
My driver-door, that obviously gets the most use, has started playing up. It
unlocks on the remote but when the handle is lifted it does not release the
latch. Started as an occasional problem but it’s getting worse. Today, I
left the car running and got out to move my S3 and, then, couldn’t get back
in. Luckily, being at home, I used the spare key to unlock all the doors so
I could get in and reach across to the door handle from the inside.
Would the solution be similar to the S3? Ie, take of the door trim and have
a fiddle with the mechanism from the inside?
Fazal


Malcolm Young
Gauldry, NE Fife, United Kingdom
–Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]–
–Support Jag-lovers - Donate at http://www.jag-lovers.org/donate04.php

===================================================
The archives and FAQ will answer many queries on the XJ series…
FAQs: http://www.jag-lovers.org/xjlovers/xjfaq/index.html
Archives: http://www.jag-lovers.org/lists/search.html

To remove yourself from this list, go to http://www.jag-lovers.org/cgi-bin/majordomo.

// please trim quoted text to context only

It’s just the mechanical action on lifting the door handle that is not
working. All the remote functions, motor actions, etc are all ok. Think its
the rod. I’ll have a look tomorrow and report.

Best idea, Fazal - the actual lay-out may differ substantially from the SIII
set-up. A drop of oil may do it…:slight_smile:

Frank
xj6 85 Sov Europe (UK/NZ)-----Original Message-----
From: Fazal Cader
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2014 7:26 PM
To: XJ List
Subject: Re: [xj] 2001 X-Type door mechanism

===================================================
The archives and FAQ will answer many queries on the XJ series…
FAQs: http://www.jag-lovers.org/xjlovers/xjfaq/index.html
Archives: http://www.jag-lovers.org/lists/search.html

To remove yourself from this list, go to http://www.jag-lovers.org/cgi-bin/majordomo.

// please trim quoted text to context only

In reply to a message from Frank Andersen sent Sun 8 Jun 2014:

Hi Fazal

Hope you have had some success with your door lock/handle
issue.

Just as a follow up, my niece has a Vauxhall Astra that
has central locking etc.

Yesterday I was checking over her car and the doors had
‘locked’ of their own accord.

Luckily she had a spare key to hand.

I think that with more modern cars, after time the
electronic systems deteriorate(stating the obvious here)
and these ‘issues’ appear. Might be an idea to ‘go over’
the electrical circuitry, checking connections etc.

My niece lives in Scotland where cars generally take a
pounding and aren’t ‘fettled’ to any real degree(if at
all) so things go ‘downhill’ rapidly after the car reaches
7-8 years of age and require more and more attention.

Let us know your outcome.

Best wishes

Malcolm–
The original message included these comments:

It’s just the mechanical action on lifting the door handle that is not
working. All the remote functions, motor actions, etc are all ok. Think its
the rod. I’ll have a look tomorrow and report.


Malcolm Young
Gauldry, NE Fife, United Kingdom
–Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]–
–Support Jag-lovers - Donate at http://www.jag-lovers.org/donate04.php

===================================================
The archives and FAQ will answer many queries on the XJ series…
FAQs: http://www.jag-lovers.org/xjlovers/xjfaq/index.html
Archives: http://www.jag-lovers.org/lists/search.html

To remove yourself from this list, go to http://www.jag-lovers.org/cgi-bin/majordomo.

// please trim quoted text to context only