[xj] 2011 XJ

I have just driven the 2011 XJ for an hour – on the highway, on country
roads, in the city. If you have any hint of heart trouble, this won’t be the
car for you. It is in many ways (almost all ways, actually) and entirely new
sort of Jaguar XJ. I hardly know where to start…

First, appearance: this is a large car; the styling progresses from that of
the XF but it is more elegant: long, low and purposeful-looking. The rear
view is stunning (and this is what most people will see, believe me); the
rear ¾ view is fabulous, the side view very nice indeed – well proportioned
and lithe. The front is very aggressive-looking, perhaps more so than the
XF. The trunk/boot: it is about the same size as that of the
current-generation aluminum body cars but the opening is smaller (more
“BMW-like” I would say). Nicely finished, of course.

The interior: the word is “spectacular”: the fit and finish are superb;
there are great swaths of highly polished wood on the doors and a narrow
band running along the screen side of the dash; the dash and the armrests
are in stitched leather. The seats or very comfortable – heated and cooled,
of course, and the front seats have built in massage programmes (very
nice!). There are so many small touches of elegance and there are so many
features that it is impossible to list them. Suffice it to say that if it
exists in automotive technology and has a role in making the driver and
passengers more comfortable and the driving safer and easier – it is there
and in the Jaguar tradition, it is intuitive and seamless – in direct
contrast to the Germans “ technology-for technology’s- sake” approach.
Examples: adaptive cruise control, blind spot indicators on the mirrors,
front and rear cameras that display the view on the centre navigation
screen, paddles for the 6-speed ZF transmission, at least three different
programs for varying conditions and driving styles (including a “winter”
programme – all of which are obtained by the mere press of a button, 4-zone
climate control with both screen and conventional controls (no need to
access a central processor to turn the fan up or down, off or on, temp up or
down; it just happens instantly), automatic wipers, lights,…the list goes
on and on. But the point is that you do not need to take a “familiarization
course” to drive this car. As with any Jaguar you get in, have a look at the
controls and then you can drive it.
The central console is very high (armrest height) so that driver and
passenger feel cosseted, but not smothered. Everything is easily at hand.
The visibility out the rear is compromised by a very slanted rear glass and
by large headrests, but the effect of this is mitigated by (front and) rear
parking sensors and those cameras and the “blind spot” indicators on the
mirrors.
One of the neatest things – a really superb item: the navigation system not
only has the large (now “traditional” ) console screen, but also an
additional magnified display that appears in the instrument panel when a
turn or other change is suggested; it works superbly. No more taking the
eye away from the job.

Driving: The new XJ in Canada (and I believe in the US) comes in three
engine configurations, all using the ZF 6 speed box. This 5 litre engine is
a development of the (superb) 4.2 litre engine I have in my xj8. There is
the normally aspirated engine, the supercharged, and the sport supercharged
at 510 horsepower. I drove the middle engined-car. I have described the
performance of my aluminum-bodied xj8 (Series VII, “x350”) as “frightening”
– very, very fast. This is why I am having trouble figuring out how to
convey the performance of the 2011 XJ. It is of a magnitude beyond the
performance of the current generation cars –the only word I can think that
applies is this: the speed and acceleration are violent. It is blindingly
fast for a large saloon. Acceleration from a stop is shocking. Yet, in
normal driving it behaves in a very docile and gentle manner as every Jaguar
should. The engine is silent except when unleashed. The car, in fact is
extremely quiet. The ride is excellent – despite the fact that this car wore
20 inch wheels the ride was as good or better than the ride on my xj8 with
18 inch wheels. The suspension has been changed – it has the air shocks at
the rear as does my xj8, but the front shocks are now traditional springs
with adaptive shock absorbers.
I haven’t even scratched the surface here. I would absolutely love to have
this car on a highway with no speed limit (yes, childish, I know…).

This is a car for a new generation of Jaguar drivers – I think it takes
Jaguar back to the position it had when it was avant-guard, a performance
marque, just on the edge. It is most definitely NOT a car for “old guys”.
This car (and the XF and the XK) will steel BMW’s place as THE performance
prestige car – IF Jaguar does some proper advertising – the same old mantra!
Will I own one? Quite possibly. Would I like to have one? Oh yes.

Gregory,
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
1966 3.8 Mk 2, Pale Primrose
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas, Black Cherry,
2002 X-Type, 5 sp. manual, Anthracite
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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Tue 16 Mar 2010:

Gregory,

you didn’t say what the price is?

I bet I’ll have to wait until the Third Owner gives up on it, by
which time all the digital electronics will have burned up?

just kidding of course. It does sound exciting, especially the
frightening acceleration part of it. 510 hp sounds like something I
would enjoy.

And how’s the fuel mileage?

thanks for the wonderful report,
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Will I own one? Quite possibly. Would I like to have one? Oh yes.
Gregory,


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The price is supposed to be about the same as the current XJ version, which
in Canada is in the $95,000 plus range. The electronics - yes, well…who
knows? But I forgot to say that the instrument display looks totally
traditional but it is in fact an electronic display and it changes subtly
and not so subtly if you change programmes - in sport mode, for example the
instruments get a red ring around them and a chequered flag is shown so that
you know you are in that mode - and as an aside, putting the car in that
mode makes a dramatic difference instantly - the seat belt snugs, for one
thing. In “winter” mode there is a blue ring around the instruments and the
word “winter” appears - very impressive indeed. Despite the increase in
power the fuel consumption is reported to be the same as in the 4.2 V8
engine - and my 4.2 gets 33-34 mpg on the highway.
I still have not recovered from the shock of the acceleration - no kidding -
it was like being in a rocket. This car would actually be dangerous, lethal,
in the wrong hands.

Gregory,
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
1966 3.8 Mk 2, Pale Primrose
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas, Black Cherry,
2002 X-Type, 5 sp. manual, Anthracite
2004 XJ8, Ebony-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
zurdo
Sent: March-16-10 5:08 PM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj] 2011 XJ

In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Tue 16 Mar 2010:

Gregory,

you didn’t say what the price is?

I bet I’ll have to wait until the Third Owner gives up on it, by
which time all the digital electronics will have burned up?

just kidding of course. It does sound exciting, especially the
frightening acceleration part of it. 510 hp sounds like something I
would enjoy.

And how’s the fuel mileage?

thanks for the wonderful report,
Zurdo

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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Tue 16 Mar 2010:

I saw one of these on the lot during my recent visit to the UK and
did not immediately recognize it as the latest incarnation of the
XJ - looked more like a sports car from the angle I saw it.

‘‘will steel BMW�s place as THE performance prestige car’’

Did you mean it will ‘‘steel’’ (as in confirm) BMW’s place or did you
mean it will ‘‘steal’’ (as in replace) BMW’s place . . .

Cheers,

Tim–
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I meant “steal” as in “knock BMW off its perch”. Thanks for catching the
error (always the teacher…):slight_smile:

Gregory,
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
1966 3.8 Mk 2, Pale Primrose
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas, Black Cherry,
2002 X-Type, 5 sp. manual, Anthracite
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Tim Horton
Sent: March-16-10 5:29 PM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj] 2011 XJ

‘‘will steel BMW’s place as THE performance prestige car’’

Did you mean it will ‘‘steel’’ (as in confirm) BMW’s place or did you
mean it will ‘‘steal’’ (as in replace) BMW’s place . . .

Cheers,

Tim

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Gregory, that was a very entertaining review! Thanks for sharing it with us.
You should consider taking a video camera with you and doing Youtube reports
on some of these great drives you do - especially considering the beauty of
your local driving routes!

I have to agree with Zurdo, though, regarding the sheer array of electronic
equipment in modern cars - even though his comment was somewhat tongue in
cheek. What they achieve is quite incredible but it makes me wonder how
likely it is that we will see enthusiasts maintaining these cars 20 and more
years after they are first released? Obviously backyard mechanics will
evolve, as well, but when I think of massage settings in the seats and think
of how often I’ve seen older cars with mere electric adjustable seats (e.g.
BMW 6 Series) being sold with seats stuck in an un-drivable position because
they could not be repaired economically, I can’t imagine that these cars
will be easily maintained going forward, especially when we’re looking at so
many fundamental suspension and engine management systems being driven by
very complex software. How many people do you know that are still using
their good old Commodore 64s?

Along those same lines, I’m curious about your sense of the pure driving
experience? From the reviews I’ve seen it appears that Jaguar has done a
commendable job making the newest cars both docile, elegant cruisers and
excellent performers, but do you feel at all insulated in the new cars? I’m
curious how you would compare the 2011 XJ with your Mark 2, for example -
allowing for the obvious fact that the Mark 2 and the XJ were always meant
to be somewhat different types of vehicles? What are some of the fundamental
differences in the driving experience? What makes the new cars as fun to
drive as the older models?

Mike Kennedy
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Top Gear really liked the car as well. Cannot wait to drive one but doubt that I will
ever own one. Like what I have right now just fine.

Joe AOn 16 Mar 2010 at 16:37, Dr. Gregory Andrachuk wrote:

I have just driven the 2011 XJ for an hour - on the highway, on country
roads, in the city. If you have any hint of heart trouble, this won´t be the
car for you. It is in many ways (almost all ways, actually) and entirely new
sort of Jaguar XJ. I hardly know where to start…

First, appearance: this is a large car; the styling progresses from that of
the XF but it is more elegant: long, low and purposeful-looking. The rear
view is stunning (and this is what most people will see, believe me); the
rear ¾ view is fabulous, the side view very nice indeed - well proportioned
and lithe. The front is very aggressive-looking, perhaps more so than the
XF. The trunk/boot: it is about the same size as that of the
current-generation aluminum body cars but the opening is smaller (more
“BMW-like” I would say). Nicely finished, of course.

The interior: the word is “spectacular”: the fit and finish are superb;
there are great swaths of highly polished wood on the doors and a narrow
band running along the screen side of the dash; the dash and the armrests
are in stitched leather. The seats or very comfortable - heated and cooled,
of course, and the front seats have built in massage programmes (very
nice!). There are so many small touches of elegance and there are so many
features that it is impossible to list them. Suffice it to say that if it
exists in automotive technology and has a role in making the driver and
passengers more comfortable and the driving safer and easier - it is there
and in the Jaguar tradition, it is intuitive and seamless - in direct
contrast to the Germans " technology-for technology´s- sake" approach.
Examples: adaptive cruise control, blind spot indicators on the mirrors,
front and rear cameras that display the view on the centre navigation
screen, paddles for the 6-speed ZF transmission, at least three different
programs for varying conditions and driving styles (including a “winter”
programme - all of which are obtained by the mere press of a button, 4-zone
climate control with both screen and conventional controls (no need to
access a central processor to turn the fan up or down, off or on, temp up or
down; it just happens instantly), automatic wipers, lights,…the list goes
on and on. But the point is that you do not need to take a “familiarization
course” to drive this car. As with any Jaguar you get in, have a look at the
controls and then you can drive it.
The central console is very high (armrest height) so that driver and
passenger feel cosseted, but not smothered. Everything is easily at hand.
The visibility out the rear is compromised by a very slanted rear glass and
by large headrests, but the effect of this is mitigated by (front and) rear
parking sensors and those cameras and the “blind spot” indicators on the
mirrors.
One of the neatest things - a really superb item: the navigation system not
only has the large (now “traditional” ) console screen, but also an
additional magnified display that appears in the instrument panel when a
turn or other change is suggested; it works superbly. No more taking the
eye away from the job.

Driving: The new XJ in Canada (and I believe in the US) comes in three
engine configurations, all using the ZF 6 speed box. This 5 litre engine is
a development of the (superb) 4.2 litre engine I have in my xj8. There is
the normally aspirated engine, the supercharged, and the sport supercharged
at 510 horsepower. I drove the middle engined-car. I have described the
performance of my aluminum-bodied xj8 (Series VII, “x350”) as “frightening”

  • very, very fast. This is why I am having trouble figuring out how to
    convey the performance of the 2011 XJ. It is of a magnitude beyond the
    performance of the current generation cars -the only word I can think that
    applies is this: the speed and acceleration are violent. It is blindingly
    fast for a large saloon. Acceleration from a stop is shocking. Yet, in
    normal driving it behaves in a very docile and gentle manner as every Jaguar
    should. The engine is silent except when unleashed. The car, in fact is
    extremely quiet. The ride is excellent - despite the fact that this car wore
    20 inch wheels the ride was as good or better than the ride on my xj8 with
    18 inch wheels. The suspension has been changed - it has the air shocks at
    the rear as does my xj8, but the front shocks are now traditional springs
    with adaptive shock absorbers.
    I haven´t even scratched the surface here. I would absolutely love to have
    this car on a highway with no speed limit (yes, childish, I know…).

This is a car for a new generation of Jaguar drivers - I think it takes
Jaguar back to the position it had when it was avant-guard, a performance
marque, just on the edge. It is most definitely NOT a car for “old guys”.
This car (and the XF and the XK) will steel BMW´s place as THE performance
prestige car - IF Jaguar does some proper advertising - the same old mantra!
Will I own one? Quite possibly. Would I like to have one? Oh yes.

Gregory,

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Mike:
The driving experience - well, first of all you have to remember that I not
only drive my 45-year-old Mark 2 regularly, but I also drive the current
generation aluminum-body XJ8 - so I am pretty aware (acutely aware) of the
advances made in automobile technology. The Mark 2 is for all intents and
purposes a new car - it has less than 20,000 miles on it. It is a lot of
fun, but it is work to drive. The automatic transmission is a Borg Warner DG
250 - 3 speeds, solid shifts. The engine is the XK rated at 22 horsepower;
it has lots of power but completely lacks the silkiness of later Jaguars.
The steering? Power steering, yes, but 5 turns lock to lock and always small
corrections being made (you know in old movies the drivers are always sawing
the wheel back and forth?)…The Mk 2 was regarded as “silent” in its day. I
can tell you that our idea of silence has, hmmm…moved on a bit.
By the time the Series III cars were made we had come a long way - and the
Series III V12 is a paragon of smoothness. But if I compare my V12 VDP to
the XJ8 (again, for all intents and purposes, the V12 is as new - with about
40,000 miles on it), there is more drive involvement than in my XJ8. The XJ8
is silent, uncannily smooth mechanically, very fast and very powerful,
economical and loaded with features; the seats are superb. The ride is not
as good as in the Series III but it is far more controlled and on the
highway it is magnificent. But (and here we come to the answer to your
question, I think),driving that current-generation xj8 is a less involving
experience than driving the Series III car (and multiply that several times
with reference to the Mark 2). The xj8 almost makes the driver feel that his
presence is very welcome but perhaps superfluous. The driver has lots of
time to feel the soft leather, enjoy the walnut and chrome, listen to that
great sound system - oh…and after a while, as if by magic, he reaches his
destination with no fuss, no muss, no bother, no fatigue. The fun factor,
though, is somewhat diminished - it has to be said (so is the problem
factor; there just don’t seem to BE any problems with modern Jaguars).

The new XJ: I really have to compare it to the current generation XJ8; to do
otherwise would be unfair. It is much and I do mean much faster - and again
I cannot adequately describe the ferocious acceleration this car is capable
of - but it always feels controlled and controllable. An hour is a short
time to make an assessment but I would say that the driver is perhaps a
little MORE involved than in my xj8, and I am not sure what it is that makes
me say so. Perhaps it is all the sensory inputs that are at a subliminal
level - not discernable individually. What you might really be asking is “is
this a satisfying car to drive?” (as the Series III definitely is) - I would
say YES. I think with proper marketing this car could be as good for Jaguar
as the XF has been.

Gregory,
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
1966 3.8 Mk 2, Pale Primrose
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas, Black Cherry,
2002 X-Type, 5 sp. manual, Anthracite
2004 XJ8, Ebony-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Kennedy
Sent: March-16-10 5:49 PM
To: ‘Dr. Gregory Andrachuk’; xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xj] 2011 XJ

Along those same lines, I’m curious about your sense of the pure driving
experience? From the reviews I’ve seen it appears that Jaguar has done a
commendable job making the newest cars both docile, elegant cruisers and
excellent performers, but do you feel at all insulated in the new cars? I’m
curious how you would compare the 2011 XJ with your Mark 2, for example -
allowing for the obvious fact that the Mark 2 and the XJ were always meant
to be somewhat different types of vehicles? What are some of the fundamental
differences in the driving experience? What makes the new cars as fun to
drive as the older models?

Mike Kennedy

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The power of modern automobiles is just fantastic. Even mundane family cars
are often faster accelerating than “performance” cars of a few years ago.
And today’s high performance cars are as fast and quick as actual racing
cars of not long ago…dashing to 60 mph in well under 4 seconds and some
even breaking the 3 second barrier

Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJRFrom: “Dr. Gregory Andrachuk” v12-vdp@shaw.ca

I cannot adequately describe the ferocious acceleration this car is
capable
of - but it always feels controlled and controllable.

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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Tue 16 Mar 2010:

Great review. I know that the new XJ is speed limited to
155 mph (as are most new performance autos), however, I have
heard that if it is held in 5th gear that the limit is not
in play and the car will reach somewhere around 185-190 mph!

Perhaps in 10 years when it’s worth 25% of it’s original
cost I’ll be able to keep one in the stable. :)–
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I meant ‘‘steal’’ as in ‘‘knock BMW off its perch’’. Thanks for catching the
error (always the teacher…):slight_smile:
Gregory,
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
1966 3.8 Mk 2, Pale Primrose
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas, Black Cherry,
2002 X-Type, 5 sp. manual, Anthracite
2004 XJ8, Ebony
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
Tim Horton
Sent: March-16-10 5:29 PM


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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Tue 16 Mar 2010:

Well…now all we need to do is to hope that Jaguar’s Marketing
(advertising) is as good as the car. For one, I CERTAINLY hope
so. I would love to see Jaguar restored to it’s former glory…–
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This is a car for a new generation of Jaguar drivers � I think it takes
Jaguar back to the position it had when it was avant-guard, a performance
marque, just on the edge. It is most definitely NOT a car for �old guys�.


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In reply to a message from 345 DeSoto sent Wed 17 Mar 2010:

most people will appreciate the zero-to-80 acceleration of the new
Jags, but otherwise, where can you possible sustain 150 mph and not
kill yourself? certainly not on public roads in the US, and a
racetrack is no fun. Besides, who that owns a Jaguar goes to any
racetrack just to drive fast?

I like fast too, as in 80-90 mph. Beyond that, it becomes unsafe,
especially with other occupants in the car, but even when driving
by myself, I don’t want to kill myself. My two Jags are very nose-
heavy cars, it takes physical strength to keep them under control
at 90 mph. I’m extremely worried about staying alive, especially
with today’s road conditions in the sense of crowded traffic full
of inexperienced and irresponsible drivers.

Yes, I’m guilty of pushing my XJ-6 up to 110 mph a few times for a
few seconds, just to see if it’s true, while white-knuckling the
steering wheel and my heart pounding, but I don’t have the stomach
to drive that fast for more than 3 or 4 seconds.

My advice to everyone is: Be careful, showing off at a red light is
one thing, showing off at dangerous highway speeds can cost you
your life.

Zurdo–
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This is a car for a new generation of Jaguar drivers � I think it takes
Jaguar back to the position it had when it was avant-guard, a performance
marque, just on the edge. It is most definitely NOT a car for �old guys�.


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I’ve driven my Jags on tracks at well over 90 mph and never felt they were
‘nose-heavy’ or that it took any extra ‘physical strength’ to control them.
What sort of cars are you driving?

Fazal----- Original Message -----
From: “zurdo” zurdoremi@gmail.com
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [xj] 2011 XJ

. My two Jags are very nose-heavy cars, it takes physical strength to keep
them under control

at 90 mph.

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In reply to a message from Fazal Cader sent Wed 17 Mar 2010:

Fazal,

a 1984 XJ-6 and a 1965 S type.

nose-heavy alright!

Zurdo–
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I’ve driven my Jags on tracks at well over 90 mph and never felt they were
‘nose-heavy’ or that it took any extra ‘physical strength’ to control them.
What sort of cars are you driving?
Fazal


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I share your concern over high speed driving. A tire or suspension failure
at 100 mph will likely be catastrophic and the changes of walking away from
the wreck are slim. I have obligations in my life. I’m willing to push only
so far. That said, I have had all of my Jags over 100 mph, but I’m very
selective about the circumstances in which I’ll do so. Dry weather,
unlimited visibility, good road quality, and no other traffic.

My Ser III was about done at 100. It would take a bit of road to get
another 20 mph out of her. The AXIS and JAR, though, both have palpable
acceleration on tap even passing through 120 mph.

I’m a little alarmed at your remarks about your Jags being difficult to
handle at high speeds. That certainly isn’t my experience with Jags in
general, and, of my three, the XJS had particularly strong
planted-on-the-road feeling. Its the only car I’ve ever owned where I’ve
taken it to 100+ plus and driven along mile after mile.

Still, if I couldn’t have both, strong acceleration below 80 mph is most
important to me than maximum speeds.

Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJRFrom: “zurdo” zurdoremi@gmail.com

most people will appreciate the zero-to-80 acceleration of the new
Jags, but otherwise, where can you possible sustain 150 mph and not
kill yourself? certainly not on public roads in the US, and a
racetrack is no fun. Besides, who that owns a Jaguar goes to any
racetrack just to drive fast?

I like fast too, as in 80-90 mph. Beyond that, it becomes unsafe,
especially with other occupants in the car, but even when driving
by myself, I don’t want to kill myself. My two Jags are very nose-
heavy cars, it takes physical strength to keep them under control
at 90 mph. I’m extremely worried about staying alive, especially
with today’s road conditions in the sense of crowded traffic full
of inexperienced and irresponsible drivers.

Yes, I’m guilty of pushing my XJ-6 up to 110 mph a few times for a
few seconds, just to see if it’s true, while white-knuckling the
steering wheel and my heart pounding, but I don’t have the stomach
to drive that fast for more than 3 or 4 seconds.

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Used to drive a XJ in Germany and Saudi. Speed on the open roads there are
unlimited in most cases.

Driven for hours in one case (Monaco to Northern Germany after the F1 race) and
we ran 120-130 mph for HOURS in a group of sports cars heading North.

Not sure where the poster below is driving or whats wrong with the car but it
certainly is not a normal Jag in good knick. Once you are used to driving “at speed”
the car really comes alive above 80 and is a joy to drive above 100 IMHO.

Joe AOn 17 Mar 2010 at 23:53, Fazal Cader wrote:

I’ve driven my Jags on tracks at well over 90 mph and never felt they were
‘nose-heavy’ or that it took any extra ‘physical strength’ to control them.
What sort of cars are you driving?

Fazal

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From: “zurdo” zurdoremi@gmail.com
To: xj@jag-lovers.org

. My two Jags are very nose-heavy cars, it takes physical strength to keep
them under control

at 90 mph.

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Andy:

155 mph has been the normal limited speed for Jaguars for a while; it is
also the electronically limited speed of the current-generation XJ. There
isn’t really any road on earth where you can use that speed. The
acceleration, however is another matter.

Gregory,
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
1966 3.8 Mk 2, Pale Primrose
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas, Black Cherry,
2002 X-Type, 5 sp. manual, Anthracite
2004 XJ8, Ebony-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
BullDogSix
Sent: March-16-10 6:50 PM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xj] 2011 XJ

In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Tue 16 Mar 2010:

Great review. I know that the new XJ is speed limited to
155 mph (as are most new performance autos), however, I have
heard that if it is held in 5th gear that the limit is not
in play and the car will reach somewhere around 185-190 mph!

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Yes, advertising is the key. The trick is to get those affluent people who
are in the market for a luxury performance saloon to THINK about testing a
Jaguar in addition to an Audi, Mercedes or BMW. Few people outside the core
of Jaguar owners and enthusiasts know that Jaguar sits at the top of the
quality charts, that its cars are among the most technologically advanced
(yet driver-friendly), and that they are, like the animals they are named
after, extremely fast, strong and clothed in feline elegance. Well, the
latter quality is obvious to anyone with an eye…but the other qualities?
Advertising required - and not that stupid and vapid “Gorgeous”
campaign of a few years ago that told us more about the 30-something’s inane
gatherings than it did about the Jaguar - which appeared only in a partial
visible form in the ad, and about which nothing substantial was said.
Did Jaguar recover any money for “non-performance” from the ad-company that
sold them this campaign? (you can tell my mood this morning)

Now the next question: the XJ saloon - often in its Daimler variant - has
been associated for decades with Prime Ministers and royalty. Will that
association continue with the next-generation XJ? What are the choices?
Rover is gone (very sad), the Bentley is for arrivistes, the current Rolls
is a grotesque, bloated, ostentatious and ugly machine for those who are
taste-challenged and whose money is obtained from sources we don’t want to
know about. That leaves Aston-Martin - which has no saloon in its range, and
Range Rover - ditto, and then Jaguar. So we’ll see. In a couple of years the
government and royal fleets will need some renewal.

Gregory,
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
1966 3.8 Mk 2, Pale Primrose
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas, Black Cherry,
2002 X-Type, 5 sp. manual, Anthracite
2004 XJ8, Ebony-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
345 DeSoto
Sent: March-17-10 4:17 AM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj] 2011 XJ

In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Tue 16 Mar 2010:

Well…now all we need to do is to hope that Jaguar’s Marketing
(advertising) is as good as the car. For one, I CERTAINLY hope
so. I would love to see Jaguar restored to it’s former glory…

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And I can tell you that modern Jaguars are perfectly stable, controllable
and safe (in themselves) at 115 mph (and certainly at speeds much, much
higher) - but Zurdo’s point is well taken - hence my comment yesterday that
a car such as the new XJ can be lethal in the wrong hands.

Gregory,
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
1966 3.8 Mk 2, Pale Primrose
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas, Black Cherry,
2002 X-Type, 5 sp. manual, Anthracite
2004 XJ8, Ebony-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
Fazal Cader
Sent: March-17-10 5:53 AM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj] 2011 XJ

I’ve driven my Jags on tracks at well over 90 mph and never felt they were
‘nose-heavy’ or that it took any extra ‘physical strength’ to control them.
What sort of cars are you driving?

Fazal

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I agree Joe…must be something wrong.
Suggest tires, pressures, weight distribution, “perception”…
There are plenty of places in the world where it’s not only safe but
legal…also been on tracks alongside lots of cars, all sizes, well
above 100.(good drivers, though !)
Drove the cars to the races, too.
There was a time when Nevada had no speed limit, and sat for long
times in jags above 100…
50’s jags and 50’s tires…
The later ones are steady above 120…just not many places where it
is acceptable any more.
That’s the people, not the cars, to blame…we always had good cars,
but fewer idiots.
Series Three V12 steady as a rock on graded snow at 120 mph. (and
Series One with 383 more than that.) Yokohama ‘snow& ice’ tires; nayy.

Those cars were tested to high speeds at the makers…but they were
in good shape, admittedly; some cars are maintained that way.

Zurdo…if you get a chance to go on a track, take advantage of
it…not to set records, or to scare yourself, but just to feel the
car out where it’s safe.
Not racing, I’m not talking about that…but these cars were made to
cover ground fast…even the owners manual says to add air pressure
to the tires “for prolonged speeds above 100 with full seats and
baggage”…
Maybe you just need to fill tires and the back seats !?!

Or just get out on I-5 in California where the VW’s sit on 100 mph by
the hour …

Bill
AlaskaOn Mar 17, 2010, at 6:27 AM, joe@joea.com wrote:

Used to drive a XJ in Germany and Saudi. Speed on the open roads
there are
unlimited in most cases.

Driven for hours in one case (Monaco to Northern Germany after the
F1 race) and
we ran 120-130 mph for HOURS in a group of sports cars heading North.

Not sure where the poster below is driving or whats wrong with the
car but it
certainly is not a normal Jag in good knick. Once you are used to
driving “at speed”
the car really comes alive above 80 and is a joy to drive above 100
IMHO.

Joe A

On 17 Mar 2010 at 23:53, Fazal Cader wrote:

I’ve driven my Jags on tracks at well over 90 mph and never felt
they were
‘nose-heavy’ or that it took any extra ‘physical strength’ to
control them.

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