Page 1: Who knows how much brake fluid goes into the system, or
how much will I need to do a system flush?
Page 2: My starter is working a bit slower than normal. Haynes
suggests a loose connection somewhere. What “where” comes to mind in the
troubleshoot beyond battery terminals, which I’ve covered already, as
well as the battery itself, which checks out OK?
Thanks.
s/s
James
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James: there is a main ground strap that runs from the “frame” beneath the
battery, to the transmission casing, all this accessible from under the car.
Do verify/clean the connection as well to the top of the water rail (on the
4.2 car), near the battery. Having said that, I am not sure this will help.
On my 82 xj6 the starter is noticeably slower than on my 84; all the
connections have been cleaned and secured. No change. The starter is not
slow enough to cause any problem, and in fact, until I got the 84 and
noticed the difference in speed, I thought nothing of it. In my case it is
NOT a function of battery power as I have switched batteries with no effect
in either car. But it is worth checking these connections in any case. I
suppose it could also be the connection at the starter motor itself, which I
have not checked, as I do not see any easy access to it. Perhaps someone
else can enlighten us?
Gregory
Gregory----- Original Message -----
From: James A. Cann lynque@juno.com
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 5:16 PM
Subject: [xj] Brake System and Starter
Page 1: Who knows how much brake fluid goes into the system, or
how much will I need to do a system flush?
Page 2: My starter is working a bit slower than normal. Haynes
suggests a loose connection somewhere. What “where” comes to mind in the
troubleshoot beyond battery terminals, which I’ve covered already, as
well as the battery itself, which checks out OK?
Thanks.
s/s
James
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I have not worked on a Jaguar starter but it looks pretty standard. On top
is the solenoid which serves two purposes. 1) pushes the starter gear into
the flywheel gear teeth, and 2) connects the high current cable (from the
battery) to the motor itself thru a set of contacts. This is really a
“relay” function. If the contacts get worn, corroded or otherwise build up
a resistance this can cause less current to be drawn and a slower speed. I
don’t know if the solenoid can be replaced independantly. Normally not.
I have experienced this in my boat which has a Ford engine with the starter
in the bilge and subject to excessive moisture and long periods of non-use.
No matter what I do( or seal) the starters(and solenoids) do not last. The
engine is Hi performance and very hard on starters anyway. It is an example
of using something for which it is not designed.(Yes, it is a marine
quality starter)
Any thoughts or comments on my theory?>----- Original Message -----
From: James A. Cann lynque@juno.com
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 5:16 PM
Subject: [xj] Brake System and Starter
Page 2: My starter is working a bit slower than normal. Haynes
suggests a loose connection somewhere. What “where” comes to mind in the
troubleshoot beyond battery terminals, which I’ve covered already, as
well as the battery itself, which checks out OK?
Thanks.
s/s
James
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Some starters I’ve worked on allow replacement of individual, high-wear parts,
like the copper main contact for the solenoid. I don’t know what the Jag
starter allows, but I’d imagine some parts, including the solenoid would be
replaceable separately. I’ll check the manuals I have, but others will likely
know.
The power and ground leads to the starter and engine, and the battery ground
to the fender should also be checked – a voltmeter between the battery - and
the starter frame can tell you if the ground is poor. Same for the positive
feed to the solenoid. More than a volt would suggest cleaning all contacts.
Alex
79xj6
Michael Aiken wrote:>
I have not worked on a Jaguar starter but it looks pretty standard. On top
is the solenoid which serves two purposes. 1) pushes the starter gear into
the flywheel gear teeth, and 2) connects the high current cable (from the
battery) to the motor itself thru a set of contacts. This is really a
“relay” function. If the contacts get worn, corroded or otherwise build up
a resistance this can cause less current to be drawn and a slower speed. I
don’t know if the solenoid can be replaced independantly. Normally not.
I have experienced this in my boat which has a Ford engine with the starter
in the bilge and subject to excessive moisture and long periods of non-use.
No matter what I do( or seal) the starters(and solenoids) do not last. The
engine is Hi performance and very hard on starters anyway. It is an example
of using something for which it is not designed.(Yes, it is a marine
quality starter)
Any thoughts or comments on my theory?
----- Original Message -----
From: James A. Cann lynque@juno.com
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 5:16 PM
Subject: [xj] Brake System and Starter
Page 2: My starter is working a bit slower than normal. Haynes
suggests a loose connection somewhere. What “where” comes to mind in the
troubleshoot beyond battery terminals, which I’ve covered already, as
well as the battery itself, which checks out OK?
Thanks.
s/s
James
4/86 SIII (US) @86K in PHX – Keep the cause; the cause is just.
I recently ‘rebuilt’ my starter on the '73 ser.II XJ6 - took it out, picked
it to pieces, cleaned all - there were massive amounts of ‘goo’ in there,
possibly a reason why a starter can get ‘slow’ - replace the solenoid
contacts and one of the brass bushings, and reassembeled.
Works fine since. Found parts I needed at local Lucas-dealer, cost 90 SEK
(��6). Solenoid should be possible to replace separately, the starter is a
‘standard’ (this word has MANY meanings Lucas starter.
Construction, is, as indicated in the previous e-mails, quite standard and
simple - just keep track of orientation of parts as you deassemble. No
special tools needed. The ‘relay’ function mentioned is really very simple
just the large copper piston doing the job.
Also about the contacts & leads:
More than a volt would suggest cleaning all contacts…
I would suggest to clean it anyway if you’re at it.
Anders B.______________________________________________________________
Dr. Anders Backlund
Department of Pharmacy, Division of Pharmacognosy
Uppsala University
BMC - Biomedical Center, Box 579
S-751 23 UPPSALA
Sweden
Lucas starter.