[xj] cigar lighters - Series 1, S type, MG-B

as promised, here’s a picture-essay on cigar lighters:

  1. my 1969 MG-B (1968-build) ‘Bakelite’ cigarette lighter knob in
    use today in my '65 S type. nothing could be prettier.

http://zurdo.fileave.com/MG-B-lighter.JPG

  1. a marine lighter accompanied by the two lighters that came in
    my '65 S type when I bought it: The chromed knob was in the glove
    box. I suspect it is a Series 1 lighter knob. The black ‘Bakelite’
    knob next to it is shown in S type literature, so I know it is the
    original style, if not the original knob.

http://zurdo.fileave.com/Jag-lighters.JPG

  1. the MG-B lighter knob unscrewed from the lighter element:

http://zurdo.fileave.com/lighter-components.JPG

  1. S type lighter or Series 1 XJ lighter?

http://zurdo.fileave.com/S-type-lighter-1.JPG

  1. S type lighter similar to the one shown in period brochures:

http://zurdo.fileave.com/S-type-lighter-2.JPG

I hope you all enjoyed this essay.
Zurdo–
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In reply to a message from zurdo sent Mon 11 Jan 2010:

Very nice photo essay. I especially like the ‘‘cigar’’
notation on the fascia of the MGB.

The Jaguar XJ6 Series 1 lighter is, however, not represented.–
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as promised, here’s a picture-essay on cigar lighters:


Bob Wilkinson, 72 XJ6
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In reply to a message from Robert Wilkinson sent Mon 11 Jan 2010:

thanks Robert,

that’s not an MG-B, that’s my Jaguar S type’s dash! The cigar
LIGHTER shown in the dash above the word ‘‘CIGAR’’ came with my MG-B,
(I no longer have the MG-B).

what do you mean ‘‘the Jaguar XJ6 S1 lighter is not represented’’?

do you mean the picture of the S1 XJ6 lighter does not show the
correct S1 XJ6 lighter? The chromed knurled knob is the lighter
knob that I suspect is a Series 1 XJ6 lighter. I found that chromed
knurled knob in the glove box of the S type when I bought it.

Zurdo–
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Very nice photo essay. I especially like the ‘‘cigar’’
notation on the fascia of the MGB.
The Jaguar XJ6 Series 1 lighter is, however, not represented.
Bob Wilkinson, 72 XJ6


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In reply to a message from zurdo sent Mon 11 Jan 2010:

Sorry Zurdo–I meant to say your S-type. I’ve admired that
dash for decades, including the ‘‘cigar.’’

Yes-not represented, at least for two Series 1’s I’ve owned
(71 and 73). Both had identical lighters…the knurl is
more delicate, and only about 1/8 inch wide. But it’s
possible that earlier Series 1 cars had a different lighter,
perhaps like yours.–
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what do you mean ‘‘the Jaguar XJ6 S1 lighter is not represented’’?


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In reply to a message from Robert Wilkinson sent Mon 11 Jan 2010:

that’s what I’m trying to find out, if the chromed knurled knob is
a Series 1 XJ lighter or not. I have no clue, all I know is I found
that chromed knurled knob in the glove box of my S type along with
some other chromed parts. The knob is chromed plastic, not metal.

Zurdo–
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Yes-not represented, at least for two Series 1’s I’ve owned
(71 and 73). Both had identical lighters…the knurl is
more delicate, and only about 1/8 inch wide. But it’s
possible that earlier Series 1 cars had a different lighter,
perhaps like yours.
Bob Wilkinson, 72 XJ6


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In reply to a message from zurdo sent Mon 11 Jan 2010:

agreed that mg one is fantastic, I drive a 2003 mg and the cigar
lighter isnt that far off

still looking for a series 1 lighter if anyone had one spare?–
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In reply to a message from G-mac sent Tue 12 Jan 2010:

well I have a lighter knob that looks like a Series 1 lighter knob,
but Robert says it isn’t or may not be, so I don’t have a clue
anymore. :-))

I guess you need to compare my lighter knob to a known Series 1 XJ
lighter knob. Maybe an original brochure might have a picture?

Zurdo–
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agreed that mg one is fantastic, I drive a 2003 mg and the cigar
lighter isnt that far off
still looking for a series 1 lighter if anyone had one spare?
G-mac


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In reply to a message from zurdo sent Tue 12 Jan 2010:

if it fits the s1 ill take it please!!!–
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In reply to a message from zurdo sent Tue 12 Jan 2010:

Zurdo,
There may be a suitable pic in ‘‘The original XJ series’’ by
Nigel Thornley.
My copy is in storage so I can’t have a check.

Pete.–
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The Series I lighters shown in Thorley (pp.62, 63, 64, 65) are all the same:
smooth black top with a T profile - that is, with a broad, flat,
gloss-finish top, no logo or imprint.

Gregory,
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
1966 3.8 Mk 2, Pale Primrose
1992 Series IIII V12 Vanden Plas, Black Cherry,
2002 X-Type, 5 sp. manual, Anthracite
2004 XJ8, Ebony-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [xj] cigar lighters - Series 1, S type, MG-B

In reply to a message from zurdo sent Tue 12 Jan 2010:

Zurdo,
There may be a suitable pic in ‘‘The original XJ series’’ by
Nigel Thornley.
My copy is in storage so I can’t have a check.

Pete.

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In reply to a message from V6MGB sent Tue 12 Jan 2010:

I was thinking of an original Series 1 XJ dealer Brochure that
might have a picture of the Dash, and therefore the cigarette
lighter;

so the consensus is that the below picture is NOT a S1 XJ lighter??

http://zurdo.fileave.com/S-type-lighter-1.JPG--
The original message included these comments:

There may be a suitable pic in ‘‘The original XJ series’’ by
Nigel Thornley.
My copy is in storage so I can’t have a check.
Pete.


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In reply to a message from zurdo sent Wed 13 Jan 2010:

There are numerous brochures on this very site. Ser1 factory pics
seem to show the standard black bakelite cigar lighter top. I
think the chrome top is incorrect for any XJ.



http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/xj/xj12872_10.jpg--
The original message included these comments:

I was thinking of an original Series 1 XJ dealer Brochure that
might have a picture of the Dash, and therefore the cigarette
lighter;
so the consensus is that the below picture is NOT a S1 XJ lighter??
http://zurdo.fileave.com/S-type-lighter-1.JPG


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In reply to a message from John Testrake sent Wed 13 Jan 2010:

There are a few examples in the photo archives, all showing
the black lighter. I looked in the parts book, and the
single Series 1 lighter called out has the shape of the
black lighter as well.

What’s strange is that both of my Series 1 cars came
equipped with the same chrome lighter–chrome but different
from Zurdo’s. Both were purchased here in Saint Louis, so
perhaps the POs replaced their lighters from the same
aftermarket source.

What’s funny is that I was so pleased with what I thought to
be the tasteful Jaguar design that I kept the lighter on the
ski slope even though I covered the slope with veneer.
Then, recently, I added a S3 VDP rear console and went to
the trouble of switching the S3 lighter for my spare chrome
one. Here too, I could have veneered over the whole thing.
I have no use for the lighters–just liked what I thought
was the ‘‘period’’ look.–
The original message included these comments:

There are numerous brochures on this very site. Ser1 factory pics
seem to show the standard black bakelite cigar lighter top. I
think the chrome top is incorrect for any XJ.


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In reply to a message from John Testrake sent Wed 13 Jan 2010:

The three links that John has provided match exactly what I
posted in the other thread about cigar lighters. The
configuration shown in my original ‘‘owners manual’’ line
drawings match these brochures exactly. I don’t have
Thorley’s book but I suspect the page references given by
Gregory also confirm this configuration.

I also know the cigar lighter currently in my Series I is
not correct and actually does not work properly. I have
looked at the ‘‘generic’’ cigar lighters found in the HELP
section of our local chain auto parts emporiums. Ironically,
they are all the same general configuration as shown in
these brochures and my original owners manual.

So my ‘‘expert’’ advice to G-mac who just has to have an
‘‘ORIGINAL SERIES I’’ cigar lighter is to quit fooling around
and go to your nearest auto parts store. Find and buy an off
the shelf generic cigar lighter. If your socket in your car
works then you are home free with no real installation. If
the socket doesn’t work right like mine then install the new
socket that is suplied with the generac lighter and your
problem is then solved. If you are showing your car in a
‘‘Concours’’ event and the judges give you grief over your
cigar lighter then your original owners manual and those
brochure pages would confirm that you have in fact a correct
configuration.

Actually, I am being a little silly but too many people bog
down in the idea of having to have Jaguar specific parts
when a hugh portion of our treasured antiques are really
just off the shelf parts. This is not limited to just the
nuts, bolts and screws!!!–
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http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/xj/xj6_9-68_44_l.jpg
http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/xj/7-69_leaflet_7_l.jpg
http://www.jag-lovers.org/brochures/xj/xj12872_10.jpg


Gordon S. Tompkins ('73 XJ6, '85 XJ6 & '03 S-Type)
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In reply to a message from Sidney sent Wed 13 Jan 2010:

gentlemen:
case closed then, the Series 1 XJ lighter was a black Bakelite
round knob, at least for RHD cars. But what do we make of David’s,
Sidney’s, Robert’s, and my chromed knobs??

those brochures show RHD cars, and the question remains that it was
typical for Jaguar to send LHD cars to America with slightly
different details? as in a chromed lighter knob? A ‘period’ LHD
brochure is what I’m after :-))

Zurdo–
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they are all the same general configuration as shown in
these brochures and my original owners manual.
Gordon S. Tompkins ('73 XJ6, '85 XJ6 & '03 S-Type)


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In reply to a message from Sidney sent Wed 13 Jan 2010:

Sidney, I have to agree.
The brochure pictures are taken with whatever is there at
the time and are often repeated for different models if they
do show major differences.

The actual vehicles are built over a number of years and
makers source components from a number of manufacturers
which can account for changes happening which are not shown
in any factory ‘‘official’’ literature like sales brochures.

The component makers also make changes which are passed
along to the builders and sometimes these are also sent down
the production line with no change in the ‘‘official’’
specifications.

Pete.–
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Actually, I am being a little silly but too many people bog
down in the idea of having to have Jaguar specific parts
when a hugh portion of our treasured antiques are really
just off the shelf parts. This is not limited to just the
nuts, bolts and screws!!!


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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Tue 12 Jan 2010:

ok, here’s a picture of the correct Series 1 XJ cig lighter, for
your information, also used in the XK-E Series 1 and 2. Finally,
case closed. Gregory described it correctly from the book.

http://zurdo.fileave.com/S-1-cig-lighter.jpg

Zurdo–
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smooth black top with a T profile - that is, with a broad, flat,
gloss-finish top, no logo or imprint.
Gregory,


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