[xj] confusing series 3 designations

I recently bought a 1986/7 Jaguar Sovereign (Canberra, Australia).
I understand that in Australia, Jaguar dropped the Daimler name at
some stage and replaced it with Jaguar Sovereign - thus Sovereigns
are just Daimlers by any other name.

Does anyone know when Jaguar stopped producing Daimler cars in the
series III range? At least in Australia?

I saw a Jaguar Vanden Plas, 1983 model, and so assumed that it must
have been in the very early 80s that the name was dropped. Yet, I
have also seen a 1985 Daimler Vanden Plas, and a 1985 Daimler
Sovereign. Were these imported from England?

Also late Sovereigns appear to have elevated fuel caps, is there a
reason for this? Polished foot plates as well.

steve–
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Hi Steve,

AFAIK production of all XJ6 Ser III models stopped in August 1986;
XJ12 ran on in Ser III shape until August 1992.–
Arnoud

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Steve:

  1. all Jaguars, every single one of them, is/was made in England. (for a
    few specific markets, such as Mexico and South Africa, “kits” were
    shipped and the cars assembled in those countries, but not Australia.

  2. the Jaguar Sovereign is not a Daimler. The Series III Jaguar
    Sovereign is just that; it is different than the Daimler in trim,
    whether in 6 cylinder or V12 form. The Jaguar has Ambla armrests on the
    doors and the centre console where the Daimler has stitched leather.

  3. the (xj6) Jaguar Vanden Plas you have seen was marketed for some time
    in Australia as it was in the US. I would need a detailed photo of a
    1985 Daimler Vanden Plas to believe it; such a car did not exist at that
    time. Perhaps the owner replaced the badge.

  4. Jaguar took over the Sovereign designation for the 1984 model year.
    At this point, Daimlers were simply Daimlers, except for the V12
    version, called the Double Six, not sold in Australia in most years.

  5. The Daimler Series III was produced until December 1992 in V12 form
    (Double Six).

  6. the polished stainless steel treadplates were introduced for the 1986
    model year and continued to 1992.

  7. The elevated fuelcaps were specified for lead-free fuel and catalyst
    equipped cars.
    Gregory-----Original Message-----
    From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf
    Of sovman
    Sent: February 16, 2005 3:09 PM
    To: xj@jag-lovers.org
    Subject: [xj] confusing series 3 designations

I recently bought a 1986/7 Jaguar Sovereign (Canberra, Australia).
I understand that in Australia, Jaguar dropped the Daimler name at
some stage and replaced it with Jaguar Sovereign - thus Sovereigns
are just Daimlers by any other name.

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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Thu 17 Feb 2005:

actually, that might have been a 1984 Daimler Vanden Plas now I
think about it… what surprised me most about it was the
cheapness… apart from the seats and doors it was really no better
than a later sovereign car, and it had no sunroof from memory. Must
have been a Leyland thing

steve–
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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Thu 17 Feb 2005:

OK so you have Sovereign running concurrently with Daimler… must
have been that most Daimlers stayed in England or something, as
Sovereigns are the common cars here.

I was very surprised by this Daimler Vanden Plas… but thats what
it was badged as… it was very bare-bones though, nothing special
about it, which I found surprising… it had the recessed door
pockets, etc, the vdp bucket seats, but also the Daimler
grille/centre stripe, footplates, badge, wheel, etc. It was quite
rusty, so I assumed it might be a Hong Kong or British import…
but it didnt really have the feel of a proper vdp… more like just
a Daimler with vdp seats and door panels swapped - maybe thats what
it was.–
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Production of the S3 xj6 continued into very early spring, 1987, the S3
cars being made at the same time as the first Series IV (xj40) cars were
being produced. And S3 V12 production did not end until the end of 1992.
The cars were sold new well into 1993. My own 1992 V12 was sold new in
May, 1993.
Gregory-----Original Message-----
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Of Arnoud
Sent: February 16, 2005 3:44 PM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj] confusing series 3 designations

Hi Steve,

AFAIK production of all XJ6 Ser III models stopped in August 1986;
XJ12 ran on in Ser III shape until August 1992.


Arnoud

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The Daimler seats, door panels, wood, and other items are in fact
considerably better than in the Sovereign, but this would not
necessarily be obvious on quick examination. If it was a true Vanden
Plas it would have to be earlier than 1984 (and 1984 is the date of
freedom from British Leyland, although many of the parts continued to
carry the BL symbol). I suspect that this was a case of
(owner)“badge-engineering”. It happens fairly frequently. I just saw a
US spec. Jaguar xj6 Vanden Plas with a Canadian specification (late) V12
badge on it.
Gregory-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf
Of sovman
Sent: February 16, 2005 4:12 PM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xj] confusing series 3 designations

In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Thu 17 Feb 2005:

actually, that might have been a 1984 Daimler Vanden Plas now I
think about it… what surprised me most about it was the
cheapness… apart from the seats and doors it was really no better
than a later sovereign car, and it had no sunroof from memory. Must
have been a Leyland thing

steve

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What you think of as “VDP” seats and door panels, are really Daimler
items.
Gregory-----Original Message-----
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Of sovman
Sent: February 16, 2005 4:05 PM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xj] confusing series 3 designations

In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Thu 17 Feb 2005:

OK so you have Sovereign running concurrently with Daimler… must
have been that most Daimlers stayed in England or something, as
Sovereigns are the common cars here.

I was very surprised by this Daimler Vanden Plas… but thats what
it was badged as… it was very bare-bones though, nothing special
about it, which I found surprising… it had the recessed door
pockets, etc, the vdp bucket seats, but also the Daimler
grille/centre stripe, footplates, badge, wheel, etc. It was quite
rusty, so I assumed it might be a Hong Kong or British import…
but it didnt really have the feel of a proper vdp… more like just
a Daimler with vdp seats and door panels swapped - maybe thats what
it was.

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Almost :slight_smile:

The last Ser III XJ6 (477824) was built in April, 1987 and was kept by
Jaguar. The next-to-last (477823, obviously) was sent to Los Angeles.

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA
1987 Ser III XJ6
1988 XJS V12From: “Arnoud” jaguar@se7en.nl

AFAIK production of all XJ6 Ser III models stopped in August 1986;

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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Thu 17 Feb 2005:

No, the vanden plas seats are the individual bucket seats… in
Australia, for example, Daimlers have bench seats in the rear. Only
vanden plas cars or xj40 Daimlers have the bucket seats and
recessed pockets in the doors. A friend had a DD6 with a bench
seat. I have had a Daimler with a bench seat. Both the vanden plas
cars I looked at had bucket seats–
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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Thu 17 Feb 2005:

In Australia, we have Daimlers AND Vanden Plas cars, with different
trim specifications, while in northern America all Daimlers become
vdp… some confusion seems to result.–
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In reply to a message from sovman sent Thu 17 Feb 2005:

sovman, I have a ‘‘real’’ Jaguar VDP XJ6 - first registered Fab '83
and compliance plate says Nov '82.
It has the rear bucket seats, raised instrument bezels, leather n
the back of the front seats etc.
I have at least 5 other similar Jaguar VDP’s around Melbourne, but
I haven’t seen a single Daimler VDP…

Cheers,
David Harding
Gold 1983 (Jaguar) VDP 4.2–
David Harding
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“Sovman”

I hope you will go along with the majority on this list and use your real
name, we are friendly here and on a first name basis with no need to use a
pseudonym.

Thanks,

Doug Ingram
Victoria BC Canada
1987 Jaguar Series III XJ6 VdP
2002 Jaguar X-Type Sport----- Original Message -----
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To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 12:30 AM
Subject: RE: [xj] confusing series 3 designations

In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Thu 17 Feb 2005:

In Australia, we have Daimlers AND Vanden Plas cars, with different
trim specifications, while in northern America all Daimlers become
vdp… some confusion seems to result.


sovman

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In reply to a message from Doug Ingram sent Thu 17 Feb 2005:

I did use my name. It’s steve.

Thanks,

Steve
1986 XJ6 Sovereign–
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