Jags brakes will “stop and a dime and give you two cents change”
But, try they same thing on a wet road while turning and see what happens
…unless, of course, you are an “above average driver” !
Tee hee hee
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJR
1988 XJS V12 CoupeFrom: “Cannara” cannara@attglobal.net
I’ll counterpoint with having had a true emergency stop in our SIII a few
weeks ago, with a heavy passenger present. I hit the brakes as hard as I
could – no squealing tires, no fade, just a stop so fast, straight & sure
my passenger commented he was amazed and sure we were going to crash.
I think the 94 cars (xj81) used a different system, Teves, I think.
Labels: I still have some, in fact. Yes, I agree about the battery
label, but it is shocking (no pun intended)how many people do not know
about the negative/positive sequence.
Gregory-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf
Of Cannara
Sent: October 23, 2006 7:08 PM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj] fitting ABS brakes on a XJ6 series 3?? any ideas?
Ok, Gregory, now if we buy this local 94 XJ12, will it have the same
class of ABS?
By the way, I received some of your labels from my NJ friend, still in
your
envelope. Now you know I probably ain’t using them, so do you, or
anyone,
need some concours points from 2 perfect OE labels…
a) “don’t slam the boot”
b) “disconnect negative first”
That latter one really assumes a level of ignorance a Jag owner/mech
should
never be allowed to have.
:]
Actually, what I meant about the batt label is that it doesn’t matter which
you take off or put on 1st, what does matter is watching what you do as you do it!–
Alex
79xj6L SII (BRG + wires)
86xj6 SIII (Black)
61 Sprite MkII (Red)
Menlo Park, Calif.
Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote:
I think the 94 cars (xj81) used a different system, Teves, I think.
Labels: I still have some, in fact. Yes, I agree about the battery
label, but it is shocking (no pun intended)how many people do not know
about the negative/positive sequence.
Gregory
I’ll counterpoint with having had a true emergency stop in our SIII a
few weeks ago, with a heavy passenger present. I hit the brakes as
hard as I could – no squealing tires, no fade, just a stop so fast,
straight & sure my passenger commented he was amazed and sure we were
going to crash.
Actually, what I meant about the batt label is that it doesn’t matter
which you take off or put on 1st, what does matter is watching what
you do as you do it!
It’s not what you watch while doing, Alex - it’s what you touch…
In reply to a message from Frank Andersen sent Tue 24 Oct 2006:
im going to have to agree that the brakes are excellent
without the abs, whilst running the slalom, it seemed that
only cars with abs knocked over the cone at the end of the
braking box at the end of the run, I loved the way I just
stomp the pedal and 4000lbs comes to a tire screeching stop
with no trouble!–
Darren B 83 xj6 brg 69k miles
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Doug. I would not have taken offense if it had. In my case it had nothing to
do with good or bad driving it was just instinct to get them brakes on as
hard as I could and turn the car. I am willing to admit this was the panic
stop of all panic stops. I was travelling 120/130 KPH 70/80MPH and with no
warning this deer just came from nowhere, leaping out of a ditch to be right
in front of me, slightly to the drivers side of the car. The car had to be
slowed down and turned using part of the soft shoulder of the road with
absolutely no time allowed to think about what I was doing or how I was
going to do it. In fact it all happened so quickly that I suffered the panic
attack after it was all over. Sure the deer did too.
I also agree with all of you that have said when the standard brakes are set
up right on a Jaguar, they are the best. However the Jaguars with the ABS
system as fitted exclusively to the series III cars, are just that little
bit better.
Actually I will go one step further and add this and I feel sure all the
other guys that own one of the 92 V-12 will agree with me.
The ABS system as fitted to the series III and I can only talk about them
because they have been the only ones I have had a favorable experience with.
Are set up to allow you to apply the brakes as hard as you would normally
use them without it being activated. When more than normal pressure is
applied to the brake pedal it cuts in preventing the wheels from actually
locking up. Most the time you don’t even know it is on the car. Also unlike
most other ABS systems, the one fitted to the series III system does not
have an accumulator. It is direct operated and as a result you get hear the
motor cut in but you do not feel much on the brake pedal. The car just comes
to a very rapid smooth stop so much so your passenger could suffer a bruised
shoulder from the seat belt they are wearing. The Wife has never forgotten
that little incident. She also never askes me to stop to visit garage sales
any more either.
Bob.>From: “Bob. peddlar” <@Bob_peddlar>
I also agree with all of you that have said when the standard brakes are
set up right on a Jaguar, they are the best. However the Jaguars with the
ABS system as fitted exclusively to the series III cars, are just that
little bit better.
im going to have to agree that the brakes are excellent
without the abs, whilst running the slalom, it seemed that
only cars with abs knocked over the cone at the end of the
braking box at the end of the run, I loved the way I just
stomp the pedal and 4000lbs comes to a tire screeching stop
with no trouble!
I’d agree with you Bob, but add one modifier. What you have said is very
true for a stop on pavement, but its easier to get the ABS to activate
in a stop on gravel, snow or ice. However, if the ABS wasn’t there the
car would have just locked up and slid. It’s true that most of the time
you wouldn’t know the car has ABS, but when you need it , its there and
it works very well when needed.
Craig
92 VDP
Bob. peddlar wrote:>
Actually I will go one step further and add this and I feel sure all
the other guys that own one of the 92 V-12 will agree with me.
The ABS system as fitted to the series III and I can only talk about
them because they have been the only ones I have had a favorable
experience with. Are set up to allow you to apply the brakes as hard
as you would normally use them without it being activated. When more
than normal pressure is applied to the brake pedal it cuts in
preventing the wheels from actually locking up. Most the time you
don’t even know it is on the car.
Correct, Bob. As I said earlier, the Series III V12 ABS system is
completely unobtrusive. Pedal feel is the same as it normally is on the
Series III cars.
For the record, the ABS in the newer Jaguars such as my X-Type is even
more silent - not even the initial “resetting”.
Actually I will go one step further and add this and I feel sure all the
other guys that own one of the 92 V-12 will agree with me.
The ABS system as fitted to the series III and I can only talk about
them
because they have been the only ones I have had a favorable experience
with.
Are set up to allow you to apply the brakes as hard as you would
normally
use them without it being activated. When more than normal pressure is
applied to the brake pedal it cuts in preventing the wheels from
actually
locking up. Most the time you don’t even know it is on the car.
In reply to a message from Cannara sent Tue 24 Oct 2006:
Have to agree with Alex about ABS.
Only ever owned one car fitted with them & after my first 20 kmh
crash in it ,because of the longer stopping distance, never had
much confidence when driving it after that. It felt like I didn’t
slow down even 1kmh. Those damn crumple zones didn’t help much
either.
Of course I have had crashes in non ABS cars too
But I have also avoided crashes with no ABS either by luck or skill.
Fortunately for us we have little ice or snow here. Just big
kangaroos that when they jump right out in front of you no car ,
with or without ABS , is going to stop you from hitting it. Then
there are the Wombats …–
The original message included these comments:
On the ABS side, every rental car I’ve had in bad weather with ABS has been
annoying at least, scary at worst. Now, rentals are cheapos, I know, so I’m
sure a good ABS can be found, just saying our Jags have very good brakes.
I sense a thread!
In reply to a message from Bob. peddlar sent Tue 24 Oct 2006:
Bob,
My '92 is the only ABS equiped car I have driven where I can also
say the system is both excellent and unobtrusive. In typical
driving conditions (albeit winter is not yet here), the car
handles - and stops - as well as my non-ABS '87. I will add two
things to that:
The '87 was written off after running into a Ford Aerostar van
that had run a red light in the rain. I don’t believe ABS would
have made a difference as there was barely enough time to start
braking, never mind stopping or avoiding before coming to an abrupt
halt. Although none of the doors was aligned as ‘‘everything’’ was
foreshortened as a result, they all opened and closed, none of the
glass broke, no-one was even scratched and the engine still ran - a
tribute to the engineering of these cars.
On returning to Edmonton after picking up Number 24 in
Victoria, we were leaving Fernie travelling east on a two lane
highway posted at 100 kph (80 mph) and cruising nicely right on the
limit when a Ford pickup travelling west decided to pass a Dodge
Caravan probably also travelling at the posted limit irrespective
of on-coming traffic - i.e. yours truly. Without the ABS, there is
no way that I would have successfully moved off to the right
shoulder and back to avoid what would surely have been a much more
drastic foreshortening. The entire incident was so smooth that I
still think SWMBO - despite being startled at the time - has no
real appreciation for how close things were.
All of my previous experience with ABS equiped cars was ‘‘take it or
leave it - just something else to go wrong’’, but I have to concur
with your conclusion that ‘‘the Jaguars with the ABS system … are
just that little bit better.’’
Ken–
The original message included these comments:
I also agree with all of you that have said when the standard brakes are
set up right on a Jaguar, they are the best. However the Jaguars with the
ABS system as fitted exclusively to the series III cars, are just that
little bit better.
