[xj] Flammable Coolant

Anyone hear of such a thing? Non-water coolant that’s flammable?

Fazal
Melbourne, Oz
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In reply to a message from Fazal Cader sent Tue 2 Feb 2016:

Folks raise this issue regarding Evans waterless coolant
(discussed extensively in the J-L archives BTW).

The propylene glycol it contains is slightly flammable
evidently, although less so than conventional ethylene
glycol. But EG is used mixed with water, where PG in the
Evans coolant is not.–
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Anyone hear of such a thing? Non-water coolant that’s flammable?


Bob Wilkinson, 73 XJ6
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Fazal,

In addition to what Bob mentions below, my opinion from what I have read

on several Jag-Lovers lists is this waterless coolant is a very expensive
and complicated (you have to remove ALL the old water based coolant in your
cooling system before using) solution looking for a problem. I have seen
some positive posts with no measureable results but more posts from
disappointed users who switched back after making the expensive switch. I
have never tried it, and never will. I have found that the cooling systems
as designed in my Jaguars are adequate for the San Diego climate if they are
functioning properly and are serviced regularly. The cooling systems
problems I have experienced and fixed in my Jaguars were due to failed
auxiliary cooling fan relays, clogged radiators (due to Jaguar dealerships
adding Barr’s Stop Leak during prior owner’s regular servicing?) and failed
thermostats. All relatively easy to diagnose and no expensive waterless
(and flammable?) coolant needed.

Regards,

Paul M. Novak

1990 Series III V12 Vanden Plas
1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
P.M.Novak7@gmail.com-----Original Message-----
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Robert Wilkinson
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2016 6:33 AM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj] Flammable Coolant

In reply to a message from Fazal Cader sent Tue 2 Feb 2016:

Folks raise this issue regarding Evans waterless coolant (discussed
extensively in the J-L archives BTW).

The propylene glycol it contains is slightly flammable evidently, although
less so than conventional ethylene glycol. But EG is used mixed with water,
where PG in the Evans coolant is not.

The original message included these comments:

Anyone hear of such a thing? Non-water coolant that’s flammable?


Bob Wilkinson, 73 XJ6

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Anyone hear of such a thing? Non-water coolant that’s flammable?

I presume that alcohol does not count, Fazal - diluted as an antifreeze, and
non-flammable…

The idea of ‘flammable’ coolant in a combustion engine is a non-starter -
though as Paul says; waterless coolant is nothing new. Way back, we had
small power generators using Sodium as a coolant medium - anything becoming
liquid may be used to cool an engine, but the only drawback of water is its
winter behaviour. Just imagine an on road leak with an exotic coolant…:slight_smile:

Frank
xj6 85 Sov Europe (UK/NZ)-----Original Message-----
From: Fazal Cader
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 2:36 AM
To: XJ List
Subject: [xj] Flammable Coolant

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Why I ask is that a friend had some in his V12 and a hose leak ignited in
the engine bay

Fazal----- Original Message -----
From: “Frank” franksue@xtra.co.nz

I presume that alcohol does not count, Fazal - diluted as an antifreeze,
and non-flammable…

The idea of ‘flammable’ coolant in a combustion engine is a non-starter -
though as Paul says; waterless coolant is nothing new. Way back, we had
small power generators using Sodium as a coolant medium - anything
becoming liquid may be used to cool an engine, but the only drawback of
water is its winter behaviour. Just imagine an on road leak with an exotic
coolant…:slight_smile:

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In reply to a message from Fazal Cader sent Wed 3 Feb 2016:

Ask him if it possibly contacted the exhaust
manifold–that’s been reported before I think.–
The original message included these comments:

Why I ask is that a friend had some in his V12 and a hose leak ignited in
the engine bay


Bob Wilkinson, 73 XJ6
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In reply to a message from Robert Wilkinson sent Wed 3 Feb 2016:

Way back when, I worked in a full
service gas station. right after
WWII. Glycol unavailable. we serviced
cooling systems with alcohol.
the average car got a gallon.
it came in square tin cans.
probably flammable in the can.
Not so much when diluted.

Older guys told of kerosene as
a coolant!!! Never saw it.

Then, Prestone and Zerex came back!!!
One gallon tins again. boy, were we busy!!

My ‘‘T’’ had a garage!!! But, on
freeze days, I just pulled the plug
and let the eareer out… In the AM,
off to college in it. Gas station
about four blocks away. filled the radiator.
No fear of freeze in day light, only
on really cold nights.
me, not so much, very cold ride…

Sodium. Salt in water? Lowered the
freeze temperature?

Carl.–
Carl Hutchins 1983 Jaguar XJ6 with LT1 and 1994 Jeep Grand
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Fazal,

 Can you find out from your friend the brand of coolant he was using and

post that information. I’m sure that will be helpful information for anyone
looking into these products.

Regards,

Paul M. Novak

1990 Series III V12 Vanden Plas
1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
P.M.Novak7@gmail.com-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
Fazal Cader
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2016 3:07 AM
To: XJ List
Subject: Re: [xj] Flammable Coolant

Why I ask is that a friend had some in his V12 and a hose leak ignited in
the engine bay

Fazal

----- Original Message -----
From: “Frank” franksue@xtra.co.nz

I presume that alcohol does not count, Fazal - diluted as an
antifreeze, and non-flammable…

The idea of ‘flammable’ coolant in a combustion engine is a
non-starter - though as Paul says; waterless coolant is nothing new.
Way back, we had small power generators using Sodium as a coolant
medium - anything becoming liquid may be used to cool an engine, but
the only drawback of water is its winter behaviour. Just imagine an on
road leak with an exotic
coolant…:slight_smile:

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