[xj] Just pondering safety wire on the rear caliper bolts

Think of the money Jag could have saved by just using Locktite on
all these bolts back here on the IRS that are safety wired??

Drilling holes in the heads of so many bolts aint cheap - what,
about 5X the cost of a normal bolt?

FWIW, I’m going back in with Locktite. But since I’ve already
bought the tool for wrapping safety wire - I may just do it for
window dressing…–
Ted Macklin/'85 XJ6SIII
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In reply to a message from TMack sent Fri 6 Aug 2004:

Ted,
Depending on how many XJs your local MOT/Safety check staff
see, the safety wire may be redundant to requirements, but if the
mechanic expects to see it and doesn’t then you’ll have an
additional hassle.
Which Loctite is suitable for this application, surely heat is
an issue?

Andrew–
The original message included these comments:

FWIW, I’m going back in with Locktite. But since I’ve already
bought the tool for wrapping safety wire - I may just do it for
window dressing…


1968 3.8S
Zurich, Switzerland
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In reply to a message from Andrew Waugh sent Fri 6 Aug 2004:

There are different types of loctite depending on how easy
it is to remove later. They have red, green, or blue. The
red is high temp and needs to be heated to remove. The green
needs local heat to remove and works into assembled parts.
The blue is removable without heat. See web site below.

http://www.loctiteproducts.com/products/subcategory.asp?
CatID=10&SubID=48
(append 2nd part onto first for usable web address)

Mr. Kim Hall
Everett, WA
1987 XJ6 VDP 4.2L
1964 Ford Custom 2 door 302
1965 Chrysler New Yorker 413 (loaded)
1968 Ford Country Sedan wagon 302 (restored)
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Which Loctite is suitable for this application, surely heat is 

an issue?


Kim Hall
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In reply to a message from Kim Hall sent Fri 6 Aug 2004:

Kim,
I was thinking more the other side, i.e. not removing later,
more removing during! Brake fluid dry Boiling point is between say
300-600F. I’d think you want the Loctite to retain its thread
locking properties above those temps. (Starting from the
principle that you want the brakes to stay together even when
they’re being used hard). I know that most modern brake fasteners
have some blue material on them, but I suspect it may be
something other than the standard Loctite grades that we commonly
know.

Andrew–
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red is high temp and needs to be heated to remove. The green
needs local heat to remove and works into assembled parts.
The blue is removable without heat. See web site below.


1968 3.8S
Zurich, Switzerland
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In reply to a message from andrew.waugh@bluewin.ch sent Fri 6 Aug 2004:

Blue and green are rated -65 to 300 degrees F. Red is called
high temp. I assume this means higher than the others.

Mr. Kim Hall
Everett, WA
1987 XJ6 VDP 4.2L
1964 Ford Custom 2 door 302
1965 Chrysler New Yorker 413 (loaded)
1968 Ford Country Sedan wagon 302 (restored)
1971 Toyota Hilux 18RG-R DOHC (restored)–
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more removing during! Brake fluid dry Boiling point is between say
300-600F. I’d think you want the Loctite to retain its thread


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In reply to a message from TMack sent Fri 6 Aug 2004:

Hi Ted, just read your bit about Loctite or wire. No
argument from me but I wouldn’t dream of just using Loctite
on it’s own. A lot of thought went into those rear brakes
and that lockwire was put there for a reason. I believe
that Loctite or similar would have been available at the
time of manufacture and I’m sure Jaguar would have ‘dallied’
with the idea of just using a locking compound. Stuff like
that can’t be as resilient as lock wire, constantly heating
and cooling. It must break down the compound over a period
of time. I would only use it WITH lockwire.

Anyway, doing up that lockwire is fun, especially with the
correct tool!!!

Good luck

Malcolm

Ipswich

Suffolk

(Re built my IRS a couple of years back)–
The original message included these comments:

Think of the money Jag could have saved by just using Locktite on
all these bolts back here on the IRS that are safety wired??
Drilling holes in the heads of so many bolts aint cheap - what,
about 5X the cost of a normal bolt?
FWIW, I’m going back in with Locktite. But since I’ve already
bought the tool for wrapping safety wire - I may just do it for
window dressing…


Malcolm Young
Ipswich, United Kingdom
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