[xj] Proposed headliner fix

Hi all!
Thanks for all the replies and advice I got in response to my first posting
on this list (and sorry for not having expressed this earlier, I have been
away).
The headliner on my 1986 Daimler Sovereign is sagging a bit around the area
where the sunvisor rests (drivers side LHD) and at the back in the middle
close to the rear windscreen.
My idea to fix this is to inject some aerosol powered glue through the
headliner using a device that came with a product I bought which is used to
inject a bug killer into infected wood. It’s basically a thin plastic
flexible tube that attaches to the plastic thing you press down on any
aerosol can. The tube has a needle at the end and I intend to push it
through the headliner material and spray. Doing this in a few places in each
affected area and then pressing the material back up into the molded fiber
board should do the job, I figure.
What do you guys think? Does anyone have any experience in trying something
similar? And what glue should I use to make it last but avoid staining?
I have consulted the archives but didn’t find anything regarding this type
of fix for headliners.

Cheers,

Staffan

1986 Daimler Sovereign (Federal)
1993 Range Rover V8
1993 Yamaha 750 FZX===================================================
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Staffan,
I tried that very same “fix” with my '87 pontiac. I didn’t care how it looked, just
wanted to stop the saggies and get it back up in place. It worked ok for less than a
week, at which point, it started sagging again. What is happening is that the foam
backing that is bonded to the material has reached the end of its lifetime. It falls
apart and unless you saturate the foam, and material, it will continue to break apart.
I was disappointed at it not working and then one afternoon, I was driving and the
headliner right above me gave loose and dropped down in front of my eyes. The weight of
the glue caused the original “puff” to come undone and take a big bunch of the previously
holding foam with it. I got so po’d at it that I pulled over, went to my tools in the
trunk, got a knife and immediately cut the headliner out. Not a recommended move. The
car and I ended up covered in the decomposed foam. The headliner guy got a good laugh
out of the situation when I took it in for repair.

Scott
'79 XJ6L

Staffan Tran�us wrote:> Hi all!

The headliner on my 1986 Daimler Sovereign is sagging a bit around the area
where the sunvisor rests (drivers side LHD) and at the back in the middle
close to the rear windscreen.
My idea to fix this is to inject some aerosol powered glue through the
headliner using a device that came with a product I bought which is used to
inject a bug killer into infected wood. It’s basically a thin plastic
flexible tube that attaches to the plastic thing you press down on any
aerosol can. The tube has a needle at the end and I intend to push it
through the headliner material and spray. Doing this in a few places in each
affected area and then pressing the material back up into the molded fiber
board should do the job, I figure.
What do you guys think? Does anyone have any experience in trying something
similar? And what glue should I use to make it last but avoid staining?
I have consulted the archives but didn’t find anything regarding this type
of fix for headliners.

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Staffan Tran�us wrote:

Scott,
Thanks for your reply!
In my car it doesn’t seem as if the foam board is decomposing (I can’t feel
any crumbles etc when I pass my hand over it)

I thought the same thing was the case with mine. Couldn’t feel any crumbles at
all. Just loose headliner.

but the material has simply
come loose (maybe due to heat, the car spent it’s childhood in Saudi Arabia
where I imagine conditions are rather extreme). I’m therefore tempted to
have a go despite your experience. Do you have any suggestions on what glue
to use?

Sorry, not based on my experience.

I used the 3M Super 77 Spray Adhesive

I tried it because it specifically said on the label
“Bonds many foils, plastics, papers, foams, metals, and cardboard. Low mist
formula”

I say, give it a try anyway. You have little to loose, the can was less than $8.00.

Scott===================================================
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You can buy plastic discs at auto parts stores that are designed to hold
up sagging headliners. The large diameter of the disc supports a goodly
area of fabric, and a small screw protruding allows it to be afixed to the
backer board.

Other temporary solutions involve pins, staples or sewing. But Scott is
right, you can’t reglue it effectivelly, because it is not the glue that
has failed. It is the foam.

JohnOn Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Scott Fraser wrote:

Staffan,
I tried that very same “fix” with my '87 pontiac. I didn’t care how it looked, just
wanted to stop the saggies and get it back up in place. It worked ok for less than a
week, at which point, it started sagging again. What is happening is that the foam
backing that is bonded to the material has reached the end of its lifetime. It falls
apart and unless you saturate the foam, and material, it will continue to break apart.
I was disappointed at it not working and then one afternoon, I was driving and the
headliner right above me gave loose and dropped down in front of my eyes. The weight of
the glue caused the original “puff” to come undone and take a big bunch of the previously
holding foam with it. I got so po’d at it that I pulled over, went to my tools in the
trunk, got a knife and immediately cut the headliner out. Not a recommended move. The
car and I ended up covered in the decomposed foam. The headliner guy got a good laugh
out of the situation when I took it in for repair.

Scott
'79 XJ6L

Staffan Tran�us wrote:

Hi all!

The headliner on my 1986 Daimler Sovereign is sagging a bit around the area
where the sunvisor rests (drivers side LHD) and at the back in the middle
close to the rear windscreen.
My idea to fix this is to inject some aerosol powered glue through the
headliner using a device that came with a product I bought which is used to
inject a bug killer into infected wood. It’s basically a thin plastic
flexible tube that attaches to the plastic thing you press down on any
aerosol can. The tube has a needle at the end and I intend to push it
through the headliner material and spray. Doing this in a few places in each
affected area and then pressing the material back up into the molded fiber
board should do the job, I figure.
What do you guys think? Does anyone have any experience in trying something
similar? And what glue should I use to make it last but avoid staining?
I have consulted the archives but didn’t find anything regarding this type
of fix for headliners.

===================================================
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