[xj-s] Advise for good Engine changeout

I bought a great 89 xjs 5.3 this summer. The engine is frozen
due to a dropped valve seat. I found a good replacement and have
the old engine out. I am replacing all seals and gaskets, hoses,
belts, and tune up parts. I may get a rebuilt starter too.
My question to the group. If you had your engine out and could
get to every thing. What things would be important to address now.
I’m worried I’ll regret some small but vital task, and pay later.
This job the most challenging car ordeal I’ve ever encountered. I
consider myself a motorhead, and was humbled by this project.
(Read… Trans mount and exhaust cats removal…yike

                   Thanks and Happy new Year!!!!!!--

Everett '90 xjs classics collection 5.3
San Fransisco, CA., United States
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Clean up and paint the engine bay.
Replace the ground straps.
Replace the heater hoses… all hoses for that matter.

Ed Sowell
1976 XJ-S
http://www.efsowell.us/ed/myJag.html

My question to the group. If you had your engine out and could
get to every thing. What things would be important to address now.
I’m worried I’ll regret some small but vital task, and pay later.
This job the most challenging car ordeal I’ve ever
encountered. I consider myself a motorhead, and was humbled
by this project.
(Read… Trans mount and exhaust cats removal…yike

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I bought a great 89 xjs 5.3 this summer. The engine is frozen
due to a dropped valve seat. I found a good replacement and have
the old engine out. I am replacing all seals and gaskets, hoses,
belts, and tune up parts. I may get a rebuilt starter too.

Everett '90 xjs classics collection 5.3---------------------------------------------------------------

Getting the starter out of an American car is not so bad as it is with the
RHD cars.
Even so, it is worth checking the brushes, which is easy.
A DIY person can strip and reassemble the whole thing with about 3 or 4
hours work.
The original OEM Lucas starter is fairly rugged, and if performance and
longevity were proportional to weight it will still be going strong when we
are all through the pearly gates.

If you can get a recon unit for, say, US$150 then it might be good. Pay
some more money and you get a lightweight gear reduction starter.

Richard Dowling, Melbourne, Australia, 1979 XJ-S & 1985 XJ6.

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Adding to Ed’s good advice…

Take a hard look at wiring and connectors. A year or two ago I had all the
“top” stuff off my engine and came across many flakey wires and connectors.
When the major elements of the project stalled for any reason I’d take break
and move on the repairing wiring.

Take copious notes regarding vacuum hoses.

Steering rack bushings would be easier with the engine out, I’d think.

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA
1987 Ser III XJ6
1988 XJS V12

Clean up and paint the engine bay.
Replace the ground straps.
Replace the heater hoses… all hoses for that matter.

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When I redid the engine compartment on an '79 XJS I took, as Doug suggests,
detailed notes on every part that was taken off with an idea that all had to
be removed to paint the engine compartment. Just the notion of painting
gets your mind around all the components that are in the engine compartment.
Ed and Doug speak to the important items but consider how many times the
engine will be out of the car and what a great opportunity to replace
EVERYTHING you can. Headlight fuse boxes, corroded nuts and bolts, the
horn, hood struts, etc. It’s worth the effort to renew as much as
possible.

Sometimes just removing a bracket exposes rust that you’d never see. It’s
a lot of work but when you are done with the spray gun the feeling is
terrific when you’re now considering how nice it will be to NOT replace old
worn dirty parts over all that new paint.

Just my .02 cents and my wife does wonder about my sanity every now and
then.

Keith A Morris
Quilcene, WA

From Doug D,

Adding to Ed’s good advice…

Take a hard look at wiring and connectors. A year or two ago I had all the
“top” stuff off my engine and came across many flakey wires and connectors.
When the major elements of the project stalled for any reason I’d take break
and move on the repairing wiring.

Take copious notes regarding vacuum hoses.

Steering rack bushings would be easier with the engine out, I’d think.

Clean up and paint the engine bay.
Replace the ground straps.
Replace the heater hoses… all hoses for that matter.

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In reply to a message from Everett sent Mon 2 Jan 2006:

With a digital cam, take lots and lots of pictures from all angles
before you remove the engine. Or find a same year car and get the
pix. I had to find a Rolls Royce Silver Ghost to get the pictures
I needed to rebuild a disassembled basket case. BTW I found the
Ghost at a Leake Auto Auction in Tulsa. Hardly any Jags there,
wonder why?
Noel–
'92 XJS Conv, '88 XJS Coupe, 1914 &1915 Ford T’s (Forguars)
Edmond, OK, United States
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Doug Dwyer wrote:

Steering rack bushings would be easier with the engine out, I’d think.

Well, yeah, but remember to install the bolts in the right direction
when reinstalling. If you put them in the wrong way, you’ll need to
pull the engine AGAIN to get them out!

The rack mounts are only moderately more difficult with the engine
in, so you almost might as well put that one off. However, the
pinion shaft seal is another story! Even if the seal isn’t leaking
it might be a good idea to replace it now!

– Kirbert

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Everett wrote:

I bought a great 89 xjs 5.3 this summer. The engine is frozen
due to a dropped valve seat. I found a good replacement and have the
old engine out. I am replacing all seals and gaskets, hoses, belts,
and tune up parts. I may get a rebuilt starter too.
My question to the group. If you had your engine out and could get
to every thing. What things would be important to address now.
I’m worried I’ll regret some small but vital task, and pay later.
This job the most challenging car ordeal I’ve ever encountered. I
consider myself a motorhead, and was humbled by this project. (Read…
Trans mount and exhaust cats removal…yike

Gee, how much work do you wanna do?

You might want to check to see if the engine you have was assembled
with gortex gaskets or paper gaskets. If paper, there are a couple
I’d suggest replacing a few of them now while the engine is out. The
sandwich plate gasket tops the list, because it tends to be leaky and
it’s nearly impossible to do with the engine in the car. While
there, you can replace the oil pan gasket as well, and clean and seal
the threads on all the sandwich plate bolts that have heads inside
the crankcase per a TSB to prevent oil leaks along the threads. And,
as long as the sandwich plate is off, you should replace the O-rings
at every fitting in the oil system piping with Viton O-rings.

Also while the sandwich plate is off, remove the rear main bearing
cap, apply Loctite 518 sealant to the mating surface, and bolt it
back up. After reinstalling, you’ll need to inject sealant (not
518, this needs to be something that fills a space, I used a copper-
based substance) into grooves along both sides of that bearing cap.
You might opt to replace the rope seal itself while there using the
Ford 460 graphite-impregnated seal and a Sneaky Pete, although
frankly I doubt if this is really necessary.

You might want to pull off the timing chain cover for the same
reason, replacing all paper gaskets with gortex. Easiest done with
engine out and sandwich plate off. Of course, while you’re in there
you might want to replace the tensioner, either with a new one or
with the redesigned version available here. You may want to replace
the timing chain tensioner access hole plug with an aluminum plug.
And you may want to replace the front oil seal.

You probably also should pull off the filter head assembly, make sure
it’s flat (have it milled if necessary, or just carefully file it
with a flat file) and reinstall with a gortex gasket. There’s a
blank-off plug on the back side of that head assembly that should be
unscrewed, the washer replaced, and reinstalled. The little hoses on
the question-mark-shaped tube from the filter head to the crankcase
should be replaced while they’re so easy to get to.

I dunno what all is presently bolted to the engine, but I’d suggest
removing the exhaust manifolds and reinstalling them with the latest
design gaskets (which have a little metal ring around the exhaust
passage), making sure to use anti-seize compound on the nuts when
reinstalling. You might want to remove the honeycomb flow
straighteners in the downpipes.

There are other things you could do, including pulling the intake
manifolds and cam covers and resealing a bunch of stuff there as
well, but IMHO the top end stuff isn’t significantly easier with the
engine out than with the engine in, so there’s no serious need to do
that now.

I’m sure others will chime in with things I’ve forgotten.

– Kirbert

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In reply to a message from Kirbert sent Tue 3 Jan 2006:

Kirbert was as close to what I would recommend except he mentioned
that with the pan and sandwich plate off you should re-seal the
main seal ( I think that is what he was talking about).

I strongly suggest that if you have the pan off of an engine that
is out of the car one should check the rod and main bearings. If
the engine has 100K the bearings will have some wear. Real easy to
change them now and add lots of life to the engine as well as
improved oil pressure.

Also inside the crank area are lots of oil pipes that are sealed by
bad rubber O rings. At the oil pressure by pass (next to the oil
filter) there are O rings sealing. Check a manual and change all
of them. See Kirby’s wonderful Book.

I have no oil leaks, none at all. NONE

Mike Moyer–
The original message included these comments:

I bought a great 89 xjs 5.3 this summer. The engine is frozen
due to a dropped valve seat. I found a good replacement and have the
old engine out. I am replacing all seals and gaskets, hoses, belts,
My question to the group. If you had your engine out and could get
to every thing. What things would be important to address now.


M. Moyer with 1ea 86 XJS, 70 XKE 2+2
Turner, Oregon, United States
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Michael Moyer wrote:

Kirbert was as close to what I would recommend except he mentioned
that with the pan and sandwich plate off you should re-seal the main
seal ( I think that is what he was talking about).

Actually, no. The main seal actually doesn’t contact the crank, so
it sees zero wear, and shouldn’t need any attention. The sealant
applied in the grooves down both sides of the cap is also pretty
reliable, shouldn’t need any attention. But the TOP of the cap,
where it mates to the block, was never sealed in the first place.
It’s bolted up hard metal-to-metal with no sealant, which sounds like
it should work, but such joints typically weep oil. I merely suggest
that sealant should be added here, and it should be a type of sealant
that doesn’t take up space, completely squeezes out as necessary as
the parts are bolted together. Loctite 518 is such a product. The
sealant should be applied in a narrow bead across the face leading
from the rope seal groove to the sealant injection groove. Hence,
between the rope seal, the injected sealant, and this layer of
sealant on this mating face, this area of the engine should be
completely sealed.

I strongly suggest that if you have the pan off of an engine that is
out of the car one should check the rod and main bearings. If the
engine has 100K the bearings will have some wear. Real easy to change
them now and add lots of life to the engine as well as improved oil
pressure.

Yeah, but I wouldn’t recommend it anyway. Engines are rarely rebuilt
due to bearing wear; more often, it’s due to stuck rings in the
pistons. The wear in these bearings is minor even at high mileage,
and doesn’t do any harm. And who cares what the oil pressure is?

OTOH, replacing them can cause all sorts of issues. For example,
since you’re presumably not pulling the rest of the engine apart and
honing the cylinders, installing new bearings can cause the top ring
to impact the ring ridge – hard. Not good.

I also hasten to point out that if you replace ANY bearings, you must
replace ALL bearings. Just doing some without doing others results
in screwed-up oil flow, and can cause bearings to get wiped out.

Also inside the crank area are lots of oil pipes that are sealed by
bad rubber O rings. At the oil pressure by pass (next to the oil
filter) there are O rings sealing. Check a manual and change all of
them.

Yeah, I suggested that, too. And be sure to use Viton O-rings, not
the OEM parts.

– Kirbert

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