[xj-s] Headliner backing board

As yet no one has addressed this problem. Can a coupe headliner
backing board with out a sun roof be made to fit a car with the
factory sun roof. I have found several coupe backing boards but
hesitate to buy one thinking I can make it work on Sun Roofed car.
I was hoping all that would need to be done was to cut out the hole
in the solid board? My car is a 1989 XJS with a Sun Roof that
leaks.–
Bkeck
Decatur, Illinois, United States
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Well…If this is any help, I installed a sunroof purchased
through J.C. Whitney for my 1991 XJ-S V12 Coupe, just used the template
provided to cut the hole on the roof of the car and the Headliner Backing
Board. I would imagine you’d need to make a template from a piece of thin
plywood or card from a Craft Shop and do the same thing for your project,
Cut the headliner with either an electric bread cutting knife or a jig saw
with a 16 tooth-per-inch blade.

-Don Buresh, 1991 XJ-S V12 Coupe, Classic
Orlando

As yet no one has addressed this problem. Can a coupe headliner
backing board with out a sun roof be made to fit a car with the
factory sun roof. I have found several coupe backing boards but
hesitate to buy one thinking I can make it work on Sun Roofed car.
I was hoping all that would need to be done was to cut out the hole
in the solid board? My car is a 1989 XJS with a Sun Roof that
leaks.

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In reply to a message from Don Buresh sent Thu 20 Oct 2005:

I too had a problem with my headliner backing board.
I never tried to fit a regular backing board, I used whatever I
could out of the original and made up the rest with foam I
purchased from an auto upholstery shop. My method was totally
unconventional but its holding up to this day. The backing board
on my '87 was in sections to begin with abd I only used the front
section with the visor indents and the square section that
surrounds the sunroof itself. I’m happy with the results, but
thinking back I would have tried to make the non sunroof backing
board fit, if I had one available.
One little tip for you (If you’ve never done this before) if you
are going to apply the headliner fabric yourself. Make sure the
spray adhesive you get sprays a fine mist and not a steady stream.
The steady stream will not sit on the foam backing, but soak right
through the fabric. I found out the hard way. Practice on a small
piece before spraying the final fabric. Also, when applying the
fabric to the backing board apply light pressure.
I’ve got pics of my headliner under ‘‘XJS Restoration’’ if you want
to check it out.
Or email me off list and I’ll send you some.
Good luck.–
87 XJS V-12
Blackfalds, Alberta, Canada
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Colin Walsh wrote:

One little tip for you (If you’ve never done this before)
if you are going to apply the headliner fabric yourself. Make sure the
spray adhesive you get sprays a fine mist and not a steady stream. The
steady stream will not sit on the foam backing, but soak right through
the fabric.

Ah, that makes sense. Where do you find an adhesive that sprays in a
fine mist? The stuff that’s ostensibly intended for the application,
3M Super Trim Adhesive part number 08090 (51135), sprays in a steady
stream. I’ve never figured out how you’re supposed to use that to
install a headliner without gooping it all up, so when I needed a
headliner replacement I took it to a shop and let an expert do it.

– Kirbert

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That’s strange. I did my headliner with it and never had a problem.
I wouldn’t describe it as a fine mist, but not as a stream either.
I was impressed with how well the spray head worked.

Ed Sowell
1976 XJ-S
http://www.efsowell.us/ed/myJag.html

Ah, that makes sense. Where do you find an adhesive that sprays in
a
fine mist? The stuff that’s ostensibly intended for the
application,
3M Super Trim Adhesive part number 08090 (51135), sprays in a steady

stream. I’ve never figured out how you’re supposed to use that to
install a headliner without gooping it all up, so when I needed a
headliner replacement I took it to a shop and let an expert do it.

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In reply to a message from Ed Sowell sent Thu 20 Oct 2005:

I to have a 1989 V12 XJS, that has an original ( shall we say )
fitted sunroof from Jaguar

but…there is no backboard to my roof lining, the part the
sunroof glass slides back into has a hard foam covering which the
headlining was adhered to, but apart from that there is no other
backing apart from at the front over the sun visors,

the material is literally suspended across the gap to above the
cantrails and glued to the framework of the roof section,

i have just got a genuine Jaguar fabric section to replace the roof
lining, there is also enough material to cover both cantrails and
rear quarter trims ( with the rear cortesy lights in )

i apreciate that ’ later ’ fitted sunroofs may well be cut into the
existing backboard to maintain the trim finish,

BB–
1989 XJS 5.3 HE V12 having major body lift in my garage
Gloucester, United Kingdom
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Colin Walsh wrote:

One little tip for you (If you’ve never done this before)
if you are going to apply the headliner fabric yourself. Make sure the
spray adhesive you get sprays a fine mist and not a steady stream. The
steady stream will not sit on the foam backing, but soak right through
the fabric.

Kirby writes:
Ah, that makes sense. Where do you find an adhesive that sprays in a
fine mist? The stuff that’s ostensibly intended for the application,
3M Super Trim Adhesive part number 08090 (51135), sprays in a steady
stream. I’ve never figured out how you’re supposed to use that to
install a headliner without gooping it all up, so when I needed a
headliner replacement I took it to a shop and let an expert do it.

That’s interesting because I just made a replacement hood blanket out of
foam for my XJ-S and used 3M Super Trim Adhesive #08090. I needed two cans
to make the liner and install it. Both cans sprayed in a wide linear pattern
just as the can said it would. It was very easy to control the spraying area
and it was a low pressure spray pattern but I wouldn’t necessarily call it a
mist. It seams to me that it was perfect for installing/making a headliner
or hood blanket.

One word of caution- if you use this stuff and make a mistake, you’ll have
to live with it because it won’t come apart without destroying it. Worth
every penny of the $14.99/can.

Ron Kelnhofer
'80 XJ-S pre-HE w/Digital P

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In reply to a message from Ron Kelnhofer sent Thu 20 Oct 2005:

I used 3M 8090 as well, the spray pattern on the cans I purchased
initially, looked like the same pattern as you would get from one
of those spray confetti things you get at party stores!! Maybe its
available in different spray patterns?? And your right about making
a mistake Ron, I ended up scrapping my first piece of fabric and
ordering some more!!(Not A Cheap Mistake!!) Whatever adhesive you
decide to purchase, test on something else first!!!–
The original message included these comments:

One word of caution- if you use this stuff and make a mistake, you’ll have
to live with it because it won’t come apart without destroying it. Worth
every penny of the $14.99/can.


87 XJS V-12
Blackfalds, Alberta, Canada
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In reply to a message from Brake-buster sent Thu 20 Oct 2005:

Hey BB,
My backing is exactly as you described yours, but I had another
piece that fit into the space between the sunroof and rear window.
It was not fun getting the fabric installed with this ‘‘Sectional’’
backing!! I adhered the fabric to the center foam piece first and
then did the rest from inside the car!
Later
Colin–
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In reply to a message from Ed Sowell sent Thu 20 Oct 2005:
I to have a 1989 V12 XJS, that has an original ( shall we say )
fitted sunroof from Jaguar
but…there is no backboard to my roof lining, the part the
sunroof glass slides back into has a hard foam covering which the
headlining was adhered to, but apart from that there is no other
backing apart from at the front over the sun visors,
the material is literally suspended across the gap to above the
cantrails and glued to the framework of the roof section,
I have just got a genuine Jaguar fabric section to replace the roof
lining, there is also enough material to cover both cantrails and


87 XJS V-12
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That’s interesting because I just made a replacement hood
blanket out of foam for my XJ-S and used 3M Super Trim
Adhesive #08090. I needed two cans to make the liner and
install it.

So, Ron, gonna tell how you made the liner?

both cans sprayed in a wide linear pattern just
as the can said it would. It was very easy to control the
spraying area and it was a low pressure spray pattern but I
wouldn’t necessarily call it a mist.

My experience exactly.

It seams to me that it
was perfect for installing/making a headliner or hood blanket.

Yes.

Ed Sowell
1976 XJ-S
http://www.efsowell.us/ed/myJag.html

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As I recall there is an adjustment.

Ed Sowell
1976 XJ-S
http://www.efsowell.us/ed/myJag.html

I used 3M 8090 as well, the spray pattern on the cans I purchased
initially, looked like the same pattern as you would get from one
of those spray confetti things you get at party stores!! Maybe its
available in different spray patterns??

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Hi Kirby and all!

When I did my sunroof conversion (J.C. Whitney 15x30") I used the 08090 and
found it to have a stringy consistency, as recommended on the can, I sprayed
it in a “cross-hatch” pattern, but you need to make sure that when you join
the material to the Backer Board it is indeed where you want it.

-Don Buresh, 1991 XJ-S V12 Coupe, Classic
Orlando

Ah, that makes sense. Where do you find an adhesive that sprays in a
fine mist? The stuff that’s ostensibly intended for the application,
3M Super Trim Adhesive part number 08090 (51135), sprays in a steady
stream. I’ve never figured out how you’re supposed to use that to
install a headliner without gooping it all up, so when I needed a
headliner replacement I took it to a shop and let an expert do it.

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Ed Sowell writes:

That’s interesting because I just made a replacement hood
blanket out of foam for my XJ-S and used 3M Super Trim
Adhesive #08090. I needed two cans to make the liner and
install it.

So, Ron, gonna tell how you made the liner?

Ed,

I kinda expected you to ask:-))

I was fortunate that my existing hood blanket was in place although
certainly showing it’s age (1980). I can’t say how other model years were
constructed but mine was made from 1/2’’ thick foam, grey in color. There
are areas where 2, 3 and even 4 pieces of foam were glued together to add
thickness where Jaguar wanted. I’d guess that 75% of the liner was made of
at least two pieces of foam glued together to make it one inch thick.

I removed the liner, being careful to keep it in one piece. Actually, it
came out in two pieces because it tore where the steel bracing is riveted
across the bonnet to support the liner from sagging. It was relatively easy
to separate all the glued pieces of foam from each other and make templates
of each piece out of stiff cardboard.

I used the templates to cut pieces from the foam that I purchased from
McMaster-Carr. Then it was like putting a puzzle together and gluing them
into one piece. I found that it was much easier to remove the bonnet and
install the liner while the bonnet was laying on it’s top (protected of
course). There were several brackets and plates pop-riveted to the bonnet
which hold the liner in place. Those are the plates that have the vacuum
routing decals and timing adjustment procedures on them. I removed them all-
just drilled out the aluminum rivets, cleaned up the decals and scanned them
for Sean Straw.

I used 2 cans of 3M Super Trim Adhesive #08090, purchased at NAPA for $14.99
each. It’s important to note that I used the SUPER trim adhesive, not the
standard trim adhesive. There’s a huge difference in holding ability. The
spray pattern was not adjustable although there was a marking on the can
that the nozzle is to be aligned with. I did notice while shopping that a
can of the NON-Super version had a nozzle that had three distinct spray
patterns depending on where the nozzle was pointed.

Back to the liner. I’m very pleased with how it turned out. Most casual
observers would think it’s original and new. That said, as all first-time
projects, I went through a learning curve and would change some of the ways
I did it but really only in the minor details.

One more thing about the foam. Through McMaster-Carr, foam was only
available in 36’ x 36’’ sheets and 24’’ x 72’’ sheets. Ideally, larger
sheets would have worked better as I had to make some of the one-piece
templates out of two pieces of foam. That turned out ok because they were
used in parts of the liner that were two pieces thick. The seams are
virtually invisible. Maybe larger sheets are available somewhere???

Ron Kelnhofer
'80 XJ-S pre-HE w/Digital “P”

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