[xj-s] Id numbers

I have asked this question once before but bare with me because I
can’t seem to get the mechanics to believe me. my VIN number is
SAJNA5840JC144172 (this number is everywhere on the car) but on the
door it too has this number but the MFG date says 1/86 so what is
it. The numers are clear and not worn in any way–
Misterjagman
Belleville, Canada
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In reply to a message from Misterjagman sent Fri 18 Jun 2004:

SAJ = Jaguar
N = XJ-S / XJ-SC
A = Passive Seat Belts (87-89)
5 = Two door Coupe
8 = 12cyl 5.3
4 = LHD Auto
0 = Check Digit
10 = 1998 (model year)
C = Coventry manufacture…

So, you have a 1988 model year car, with a 86 inside plate…

From ‘‘The Book’’…

‘‘If you live in the US, perhaps you�ve noticed that each model year
seems to appear several months before the year itself, which
certainly makes it doubtful that the car was actually built in the
year it�s purported to be. Apparently, the �model year� is a term
that varies from country to country, and – of course – the US has
the least rational definition. Peter Cohen says, �For those
interested in trivia, here’s how it works: In the US a given model
year can only be manufactured to be offered for sale on a single
January 1st. That’s the only rule. This can result in the
following (more or less true) example: A certain 1996 model of
vehicle began manufacture in December 1994, was put on sale 2
January 1995 and continued to be sold as a 1996 model until
September 1996 (although legally they could have been sold until 31
December 1996). This is not to say that one that remained unsold on
1 January 1997 would have become a 1997. It is the date that it is
intended to be sold as a ‘‘current’’ model that the regulation
applies to. So, that’s what happens when marketing types run amok.’’

Doesn’t seem that unusual to me - the 144172 would tend to put you
in the later 86/87 models tho - my 86 is 1317xx, and is definitely
the 86 model :wink: The AC changed in about 87 to the Delanair Mk III,
so that may give you clue too.

Hope that helps !–
The original message included these comments:

can’t seem to get the mechanics to believe me. my VIN number is
SAJNA5840JC144172 (this number is everywhere on the car) but on the
door it too has this number but the MFG date says 1/86 so what is


SJ
Auburn Hills, MI, United States
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According to my (Jaguar published, USA market) “1988 Model Year Update”
book, the 1988 model year started with vin 139052. Other sources indicate
the 1989 model year began with 148782, so I’d say you have an '88. My own
'88 (139142) has a mfg date of 2/87.

The tenth character of the vin, “J”, backs this up. (J=88, K=89, L=90, etc.)
All of this assumes use of North American vin conventions which wouldn’t
apply if the car from another market.

Some feature introduced for the '88 model year were seat heaters and power
lumbar supports, stainless steel sill plates, heated rear veiw mirrors,
heated washer nozzles, motorized seat belts, wood veneer center console, and
locking gas door. Not all of these changes came at the same time but if your
car has any of them it sounds more and more like an '88.

Not long ago there was a similar posting (maybe it was from you?) where the
numerical portion of the vin was waaaaaaay off relative to the manufactured
date.

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA
1987 Ser III XJ6
1988 XJS V12

I have asked this question once before but bare with me because I
can’t seem to get the mechanics to believe me. my VIN number is
SAJNA5840JC144172 (this number is everywhere on the car) but on the
door it too has this number but the MFG date says 1/86 so what is
it. The numers are clear and not worn in any way

// please trim quoted text to context onlyFrom: “Misterjagman” misterjagman@hotmail.com

Doug is correct about the year. Perhaps you are
seeing 1/86 but the poor stamping/printing is supposed
to be 1/88. Another thing to look at with a US car is
the Federal emission stickers under the hood. It
reads something like… Conforms to 1988 year emission
regulations… matching the Model Year VIN digit.

The US cars can be made for any year and sold at any
time. Business means it must be close to the calendar
year. After all who wants to buy a brand new 3 year
old car! And the Federal government will fine any
manufacturer who does not meet the emissions/safety
regulations for a model year. So you take a big
chance building a car to meet or exceed regulations
not even decided upon yet, if you miss on the down
side it could cost millions of dollars. After all
what company wants tremendous fines for a car for
which they have already collected all the money they
can. Which brings us back to� business means it must
be close to the calendar year.

Model year cars have come out in the first quarter of
the previous calendar year and continued into the
first half of the next calendar year. But these are
extreme cases. Most US cars are first sold in the
autumn of the year and only sell for 12 months.

XJS Cabriolets are different in that they may be quite
a bit older. But in the US the Federal stickers must
match the VIN year digit. The last six serial numbers
may be older, never newer as yours would be. Check
you car again. I think it’s an '88.— Misterjagman misterjagman@hotmail.com wrote:

I have asked this question once before but bare with
me because I
can’t seem to get the mechanics to believe me. my
VIN number is
SAJNA5840JC144172 (this number is everywhere on the
car) but on the
door it too has this number but the MFG date says
1/86 so what is
it. The numers are clear and not worn in any way

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Doug is correct about the year. Perhaps you are
seeing 1/86 but the poor stamping/printing is
supposed
to be 1/88. Another thing to look at with a US car
is
the Federal emission stickers under the hood. It
reads something like… Conforms to 1988 year
emission
regulations… matching the Model Year VIN digit.

The US cars can be made for any year and sold at any
time. Business means it must be close to the
calendar
year. After all who wants to buy a brand new 3 year
old car! And the Federal government will fine any
manufacturer who does not meet the emissions/safety
regulations for a model year. So you take a big
chance building a car to meet or exceed regulations
not even decided upon yet, if you miss on the down
side it could cost millions of dollars. After all
what company wants tremendous fines for a car for
which they have already collected all the money they
can. Which brings us back to� business means it
must
be close to the calendar year.

Model year cars have come out in the first quarter
of
the previous calendar year and continued into the
first half of the next calendar year. But these are
extreme cases. Most US cars are first sold in the
autumn of the year and only sell for 12 months.

XJS Cabriolets are different in that they may be
quite
a bit older. But in the US the Federal stickers
must
match the VIN year digit. The last six serial
numbers
may be older, never newer as yours would be. Check
you car again. I think it’s an '88.

I have asked this question once before but bare
with
me because I
can’t seem to get the mechanics to believe me. my
VIN number is
SAJNA5840JC144172 (this number is everywhere on
the
car) but on the
door it too has this number but the MFG date says
1/86 so what is
it. The numers are clear and not worn in any way

Geoffrey,

Have you considered the door may have been replaced
with a unit from an earlier car?

Earl Kiker

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— Misterjagman misterjagman@hotmail.com wrote:

In reply to a message from Geoffrey Green sent Sat 19 Jun 2004:

Thanks to all who responded but I still seem to have a lot of mis
information on this car. I checked the hood sticker and it says’’
Conformes to Emissions for 86’’ I seem to have options for an 88 (
Wood ski slope heated seats, lumber support, chrome door sills
locking gas} one person suggested I check fo a dot on the tempered
markings on all the windows and that would make it an 87. Any more
suggestions to narrow this down would be helpful–
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to be 1/88. Another thing to look at with a US car is
reads something like… Conforms to 1988 year emission
The US cars can be made for any year and sold at any
time. Business means it must be close to the calendar
year. After all who wants to buy a brand new 3 year


Misterjagman
Belleville, Canada
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Well, how 'bout this?
http://www.jag-lovers.org/cert.html

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA
1987 Ser III XJ6
1988 XJS V12

Any more
suggestions to narrow this down would be helpful

// please trim quoted text to context onlyFrom: “Misterjagman” misterjagman@hotmail.com

I find it very interesting to follow the thread on
this mixed up jumbled up XJS. Please keep us
informed. Is it a coupe or cabriolet?> Conformes to Emissions for 86’’ I seem to have

options for an 88 (
locking gas} one person suggested I check fo a dot
on the tempered
markings on all the windows and that would make it
an 87. Any more

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Geoff Green

95 XJS 4.0 conv 61 E-type OTS
International Cabriolet Register Jag92hot@aol.com
3.6 XJS Register paulzimmer@btopenworld.com

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