[xj-s] Supercharged AJ16 swap

I am currently looking at swapping out the motor and tranny from a
donor 1996 XJR to my 1996 XJS. The donor vehicle is a low mileage
really nice car that runs great. My questions concern what else is
swappable from the 96 XJR to my 96 XJS? The XJR has speed sensitive
steering and 17 inch wheels. I am also wondering if there is a
benefit to swapping out the Brakes from the XJR (are they better
than the XJS?). Any help from the experts here would be greatly
appreciated.
Mike Haberthur–
Bull. 1996 XJS AJ16, 1972 XKE 2+2 V-12
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In reply to a message from Bullhab sent Thu 29 Nov 2012:

Apparently there is a lack of room around the steering column and
steering rack pinion on left hand drive American cars.–
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Apparently there is a lack of room around the steering column and
steering rack pinion on left hand drive American cars.–
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In reply to a message from Bullhab sent Thu 29 Nov 2012:

The XJR6 brakes are the same size as normally-aspirated XJs. It
wasn’t until the XJR8 that they fitted larger brakes to the
supercharged XJR8 and VDP Super V8. So I don’t think there’s any
point swapping over from the XJR to a 96 XJS.

Pete–
The original message included these comments:

steering and 17 inch wheels. I am also wondering if there is a
benefit to swapping out the Brakes from the XJR (are they better
than the XJS?). Any help from the experts here would be greatly


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In reply to a message from Bullhab sent Thu 29 Nov 2012:

Mike;

Right you are that these cars should have come with the
AJ16 supercharged. Fortunately another member Arnoud, has
already done it. Apparently he just dropped the EPROMS
from the XJR ECU into the XJS ECU. He posted some videos
on you tube:

Good luck, and remember to chronicle your project!! :-D–
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IMHO the speed sensitive steering has a rather dead feel. I’m always
intending to unplug it on my XJR just to see what happens…but I always
forget.

Not sure what would be involved in incorporating it into your swap but I’d
say it would be an unnecessary complication offering questionable, if any,
benefits

Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJR

The XJR has speed sensitive
steering

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I think this will ge a cool driver/sleeper. Just the thing to rattle the street racers. The comfort of a Jag with the power to suprise and the handeling of a 6. My car is a '76 RHD and the other car is a facelift RHD. The LHD car has a problem getting all the components into the left fender area. A RHD car would be much easier. The early cars have a different trans tunnel that needs modification and the facelift cars are much larger in this area, I have not heard if this eliminated mods needed here.

Apparently there is a lack of room around the steering column and
steering rack pinion on left hand drive American cars.

Roger’95

Roger’95,
I heard this too and have helped promote this misinformation. After Arnound posted he got the engine in I knew it could be done.

I am currently looking at swapping out the motor and tranny from a
donor 1996 XJR to my 1996 XJS. The donor vehicle is a low mileage
really nice car that runs great. My questions concern what else is
swappable from the 96 XJR to my 96 XJS? The XJR has speed sensitive
steering and 17 inch wheels. I am also wondering if there is a
benefit to swapping out the Brakes from the XJR (are they better
than the XJS?). Any help from the experts here would be greatly
appreciated.
Mike Haberthur aka Bull

Mike,
Many things are swappable and many things must be swaped. It’s best to have a donor car. The wheels fit as shown by Roger.

The XJR6 brakes are the same size as normally-aspirated XJs. It
wasn’t until the XJR8 that they fitted larger brakes to the
supercharged XJR8 and VDP Super V8. So I don’t think there’s any
point swapping over from the XJR to a 96 XJS.

Pete

Pete,
You are correct about the size of the brakes. So no need to swap. And I do not believe the fronts will bolt up. However the rears will bolt on the outboard hubs with one problem: the brake hose size is different. The rears will give you ventilated rotors. Also the axles and hubs will bolt on.

Right you are that these cars should have come with the
AJ16 supercharged. Fortunately another member Arnoud, has
already done it. Apparently he just dropped the EPROMS
from the XJR ECU into the XJS ECU. He posted some videos
on you tube:

http://youtu.be/E_kAJUPJWQ0

95 AJ16

95 AJ16,
I spoke with Arnoud after he posted he got his car running. He warned me to get all the bits. I took this as he was having problems. I went through the X300 service manuals reading about the interfacing computer controls and the sales info to find out the differences between a normally asperated car and a supercharged car. As itook the XJR apart I thought about the items needed and pulled all those parts to save and use in the XJS. I took a X300 shell to the scrapper with only the trim, glass, seats, diff, front suspension.

I saved all wiring, radiators, electronics, fuel tank and hoses, rear axles and brakes, steering column and dash, A?C climate control unit, shifter (although I will use a XJS '94 V12), Exhaust, sheet metal, and probably a few other bits.

You need to buy XJS 6 cylinder engine mounts.

IMHO the speed sensitive steering has a rather dead feel. I’m always > > > intending to unplug it on my XJR just to see what happens…but I > > > > always forget.

Not sure what would be involved in incorporating it into your swap but > > I’d say it would be an unnecessary complication offering questionable, > > if any, benefits

Cheers
Doug Dwyer

Doug,
Yes, I feel the same way. I also do not believe the racks mount the same way.

Geoff Green

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There are too many differences internally in the engine and with the car systems to try to supercharge a regular engine. The electronics, sensors, fuel system, intercooler mount, pumps, hoses, etc are all different with some needing modification I found the entire car is needed and although I completely (almost) stripped my XJR I wish I had kept it until I had finished the project.

I knew I needed some inline 6 cylinder engine mounts and found they use the V12 rubber (metalastic) isolators. This places the XJS engine slightly differently from the x300 with the TH400 auto gearbox being longer than the BW. I have not measured a V12 TH400 yet although the mount will not work. The overall difference between the 5.3 and 4.0 sc TH is about 4.5 inches longer which means the driveshaft will need to be shortened. I have not been down to the driveshaft shop to find out which version to use, BW, TH300 HE, x300. All the mounting flanges are the same between trans, driveshaft and read end.

For the trans mount a possibility is to make some spacers to move the x300 trans mount down from the XJS body and allow me to use some of the bolt holes the XJS trans mount and tunnel stiffener plate(?) use as these items are removed.

The ’94 XJS shifter is for the TH400 behind the V12 6.0 and will work in place of the J-gate. The trans lever is the same length meaning the shifter detents are correct.

The auto trans cooler is in the x300 radiator as is the power steering cooler. I will be using the x300 radiator, AC condenser, s/c intercooler and electric fans. I cut the front sheet metal off the x300 where the bonnet and radiator attach as I might need these later to weld onto the XJS. I also kept the lower x300 radiator support. The future problem I see is getting all the coolant hoses and electric water pumps in place. The XJS does not have the open space as the x300 does and this is a LHD car with the brake setup on the s/c intake side along with the 100 or so hoses. Well maby not that many but the heater has 10 and the intercooler has three very long ones. Coolant tank, air mass meter, air filter, two coolant pumps, harness and some other items must be jamed in the left side on a LHD car. Power steering resivoir will be moved to the other side.

I have not figured out the throttle yet as the two cars are very different. I will not be using the traction control. I am looking to use the x300 pedal box to have a throttle connection. The biggest difference is the 10 degree difference in slope of the firewall mounting. The x300 is slightly flatter requiring a wedge shim around the edge. I will use only 4 bolts similar to the XJS pedal box perhaps I can get five by using one behind the fender. This allows better master cylinder reservoir and booster along with the much better switches and easier throttle cable connection.

I was able to leave the ground strap and formed fiber heat shield in place. I removed the metal heat shields going back to the trans mount but left the rack bellows heat shields in place. I will need to combine the ’76 power steering hose with the x300 hoses by having them made using one end from each.

The AC and heater fittings are reachable with the AJ16 s/c engine in place. However I may change to the x300 climate control unit. I cut this part of the body firewall out of the x300. This next spring I will pull the interior to install the wiring and will look further into the climate control.

The fuel system uses the push lock fittings. Nice leak proof connection so I kept the fuel pipes off the x300 from the engine to about the rear seat. Not enough time to drop the rear end and disconnect properly. I can weld another piece to these to go to the fuel tank. After working on the fuel lines I wish I would have saved them.

The 6.0 V12 XJS and x300 use twin fuel pumps to get enough fuel to the engine under load or high RPM. I have not pulled a XJS V12 6.0 to see the tank/body configuration. The x300 tank has a lower center portion and fuel pipes out the bottom. My ’76 does not allow for this and I will need to modify this area after dropping the rear cage. I need to put the drive shaft in anyway. After further measuring, forcing and thinking about the fuel tank with twin pumps I have found the sedan tanks with the sump will not fit in the early XJS due to this sump not width or height. I will try the '94 V12 tank then. Fuel hose connection to the '94 V12 XJS tank will require either XJS or XJ40 V12 hose\pipe connectors which I have.

Because the engine management system harness makes an easy install of the ECU it still leaves much out. This is because the systems have almost all the electronics and computers in one harness, almost!! The engine side (red I think) is 5 volt for the sensors and the 12 volt side (black I think) is for the connection to trans, body ECU, fuel pump control, cooling fan control, traction control, compressor, etc. I have not looked precisely into the cross connections perhaps the security system and heater AC are tied in also. The US person I emailed stated it was very important to think about the scope of the electrical items that must be removed from the donor car. I think he is missing some important bits. I have decided to use all the x300 harness and remove all the XJS harness. After I get it running I will remove the un-needed circuits. Like the adjustable rear seats, seat heaters, rear door lift and locks, etc. Rather than try to figure out
various controls i.e. how do you up the idle when you switch on the A\C? The x300 body controller runs the various electric water pumps, radiator fans, dash and interfaces with the security system. The x300 climate system turns on the cooling fans with A\C. The trans conputer interfaces with the engine management and security. Lots of the harnesses tie together.

I plan to use the x300 wheels. And the x300 ventilated outboard rear brakes. The lower hub mounting is the same as the XJS and the axle flange at the diff is the same bolt circle with various shims to allow camber adjustment. I have already done x300 to XJS rear ventilated brake swap on a ’94 XJS. I have saved the steering column (upper and lower) thinking to use the switches and wood steering wheel. Somehow I will use the instruments and saved the x300 gauge cluster.

I have a flat hood/bonnet on the '76 meaning I will have to cut it and place a bump over the top front of the AJ16 engine. If you use a later one with the raised center it will fit without issues.

That’s about it for now. The car will soon go into storage for the winter and I will not get back to it until late spring. It would be great to have the various players update this thread as we go to let others know how involved this is.

Geoff Green

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I think we all would’ve loved it if Jag had built this car/engine
combination.

FWIW, I came out of an XJS 5.3 V12 and into the XJR and the abundant and
flat torque curve of the supercharged six was a real treat compared to the
5.3 V12…which take a bit of RPM before it starts to boil, if you get what
I mean

Still, though, you’ll have to choose your battles carefully. Nowadays many
ordinary family sedans are quicker accelerating than our old Jags.

In the X300 sedans the supercharged six was just a whisker quicker than the
same car with the 6.0 V12 so I’d expect about the same in the XJS…a bit
quicker than the 6.0 models

Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJR

I think this will ge a cool driver/sleeper. Just the thing to rattle the
street racers. The comfort of a Jag with the power to suprise

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“a bit quicker than the 6.0 models”

Doug,

For what it’s worth, the normally aspirated AJ16 with a 5 speed was quicker than a 5.3 XJS w gm400.

Ask me how I know!

Earl Kiker
89 XJS Conv/Lucas
97 VDP

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In reply to a message from Earl Kiker sent Sat 1 Dec 2012:

If I were doing the swap, I would try to use the 4 speed automatic
that came with AJ16 in the XJS (AJ16 ZF 4HP24 E9) rather than a 3
speed slug auto like the TH400.–
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I dunno what the design limits are on that trans. Would it hold up behind
the supercharged engine?

FWIW, Jag used the 4L80E behind the supercharged six

Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJR

If I were doing the swap, I would try to use the 4 speed automatic
that came with AJ16 in the XJS (AJ16 ZF 4HP24 E9) rather than a 3
speed slug auto like the TH400.

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If I were doing the swap, I would try to use the 4 speed
automatic
that came with AJ16 in the XJS (AJ16 ZF 4HP24 E9) rather
than a 3 speed slug auto like the TH400.

The XJR comes with the 4L80E 4 speed electronic controlled TH400. Same as the 6.0 V12. I do not think the ZF will withstand the power for 100k miles. And then how do you tie the engine management to the trans input needed for correct running and absence of warning lights.

I want to get it running first as the factory built it and then think about changes. It may be fast enough with the auto. What XJR 4 door Jag sedan turned a faster lap at the Nürburgring Ring than the D-type, sc AJ16 or V8?

Geoff Green

95 XJS 4.0 conv, 76 XJ-S, 61 E-type OTS, 05 F250 Turbo Diesel, 10 Escape

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Are you asking us, or giving us a quiz ? :slight_smile:

Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJR

From: “Geoffrey Green” geoffgreen@yahoo.com

What XJR 4 door Jag sedan turned a faster lap at the N�rburgring Ring than
the D-type, sc AJ16 or V8?

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In reply to a message from Doug Dwyer sent Sun 2 Dec 2012:

Basically the same tranny is use on the–
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What I meant to say was:

4HP24 was used in the following applications:
1987�1994 BMW E32 750iL M70/B50
1987�1994 Jaguar XJ40
1989�1994 BMW E31 850Ci M70/B50
1989�1994 BMW E31 850i M70/B50
1989�1996 Jaguar XJS 4.0
1995�1997 Jaguar XJ6 (X300) 4.0
1994�2003 Range Rover V8 4.6L
2003�2004 Land Rover Discovery V8 4.6L

2005 - 2009

[edit] 4HP24A

Audi version
1990�1991 Audi V8 3.6 V8
1992�1994 Audi V8 4.2 V8
1994�1996 Audi D2 A8 4.2 V8 quattro
1995�1997 Audi S6 4.2 V8 C4 100–
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I looked at the list to find the highest hp and torque listing. Not sure I am correct as the car I picked may not have the engine trans combo relating to the trans you are talking about.

BMW V12 SOHC 300 hp 330 lb ft ZF 4HP24

This is lower than the Jaguar sc AJ16 at 322 hp 378 lb ft or the V12 313 hp 353 lb ft. It may be the torque that is the limiting factor.

I do not think the trouble to mate the transmission and find a way to integrate computers would be worth the trouble to have a few more hp pass through the trans and a tenth of a mpg. I will probably have my foot in it all the time.

Now if we are dreaming then I suggest a 6 speed auto.

Geoff Green

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In reply to a message from Geoffrey Green sent Sun 2 Dec 2012:

No trouble to mate it up mechanically - just use the
adapter plate off any normal AJ16 instead of the unique
4L80E one bolted to the back of the XJR block. The
narrower and lighter trans would avoid tunnel work
probably on an early car although obviously a facelift is
already made for the same big trans on the 6.0L. However,
the electronics of using even a switchable ZF on the XJR
4L80E harness might be hassle. The Getrags are slimmer
than all the autos and there is a factory XJR manual ECU
for the European manual cars. Can’t be that big a
difference and it probably alters some fueling parameters
like overrun fueling maybe?

The SC engine has much lower compression and differences
in the cam or valve gear - I forget which. Suffice to say,
bolting SC ancillaries, even down to the long cutaway
block water feed pipe, is not enough to convert an N/A
engine. You’d have to do a full strip down and hunt for
unobtanium parts.

Now after all this, Arnoud has just put his US-spec
facelift supercharged XJS up for sale…

Pete–
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