[xj] Side wing indicators

I was just wasting some time thinking of all the things I need to
do during my strip-down and sorting out & paint stip of my '79 SII.
Looking through lots of photos most that I’ve seen have these front
and rear wings, others dont have any and some have a less common
style in front only. What does everybody think?? keep them after
painting/reassembly or ditch them? Note I have already changed both
the front and rear bumpers to the proper euro style chrome
assemblies…

John Aspessi
'79 SII FI xj6
'96 x300
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I would ditch the clunky side markers…all of them…and use just the more
attractive turn signal “repeater” lamps on the front fenders. I’m thinking
that these are the “less common” ones you mention.

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA
1987 Ser III XJ6
1988 XJS V12From: “john aspessi” spess@comcast.net

Looking through lots of photos most that I’ve seen have these front
and rear wings, others dont have any and some have a less common
style in front only. What does everybody think?? keep them after
painting/reassembly or ditch them?

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Hi John,

I’d ditch 'em (I will on our Cal. spec Ser I when it receives new
paint). IMHO they’re too big and look silly. They will make excellent
taillights on my tiny Eriba Puck caravan tho:)–
Arnoud

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In reply to a message from Arnoud sent Thu 16 Feb 2006:

Hi John,

I’m in the process of restoring our '78 SII and have removed the
front and rear side marker lights as well as the stupid Schwinn
bicycle-type red reflectors just inboard of the rear taillights. I
think it’s all ‘‘Federal’’ stuff. More clutter thanks to the
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I’d ditch 'em (I will on our Cal. spec Ser I when it receives new
paint). IMHO they’re too big and look silly. They will make excellent
taillights on my tiny Eriba Puck caravan tho:)


Cheers, Tom 1978 SII XJ6LFI 1996 Dodge/Cummins 2500
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In reply to a message from Rowdy III sent Fri 17 Feb 2006:

good, I was thinking of ditching them, I did want to hear what some
thought since it was a bit on the lines of the old ‘‘leaper’’ debate,
oh yeah, those reflectors at the rear are long history…I did not
whip the in the trash but I sure will not find them for a while…

John Aspessi
'79 SII xj6
'96 x300
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The original message included these comments:

I’m in the process of restoring our '78 SII and have removed the
front and rear side marker lights as well as the stupid Schwinn
bicycle-type red reflectors just inboard of the rear taillights. I


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In reply to a message from john aspessi sent Fri 17 Feb 2006:

My car never had them since it was in our family. I have no
idea why, but I like the clean lines better. I agree that
the side markers look ugly IMHO.

I’ve talked on this before, no idea why they are missing, no
evidence of body damage, unless all 4 wings have been
damaged over the years. Wings are rusted underneath, and
appear to be as aged as the rest of the car, as is the
paint. Maybe a collision in its early years ?? Dunno, there
are still wires under there.

If you have the ‘lightbulb out indicator’ it will remain on
if the lights are disconnected. As someone told me (forget
who, sorry I printed it out at home), I think the trick is a
100 ohm resistor, 1/2 watt attached to the wires at each
lamp. Or just remove the lightbulb out indicator light.

I am meaning to post my pics on this site sometime, when I
do I will let you all know so you can see the old thing.
Not bad looking for 21 (technically 22, built in 84) years
on the road. Garage kept for most of its life, and
dutifully waxed and cleaned over the years.

Anyone know how one links their pics ?? I have yet to
figure that one out.

Ta, as we Brits say–
'85 XJ6 VDP ‘Black Beauty’ 157K miles and NOT counting :stuck_out_tongue:
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In reply to a message from 1985vdp sent Fri 17 Feb 2006:

I love the big side markers North America style and I have
amourously kept them on my Coup�. I have even turned them into
indicators as per a technical page I found on this website:
brilliant.

In Europe, it is illegal to not have side indicators at the front.–
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In Europe, it is illegal to not have side indicators at the front.

no it isn’t, at least not here in NL (but when present they must be
functional). It also depends on the date of manufacture of the car.
There’s a myriad of lighting rules in Europe; some allow red (USA
style) indicators at the back (NL); others don’t. Some allow clear
indicators at the front (yes, you guessed it;) others don’t (UK for
instance where either the lens or the bulb must be orange). Not only
does this apply to lighting but to many other things as well.
On one hand this can be a pain, but there’s a plus as well. The UK
for instance is rather easy on (radical) conversions (a road legal
FWD Rover V8 powered BMC Mini comes to my mind), where the Dutch
aren’t. However they will have to approve the car because it has been
approved by another European country (provided it meets safety
regulations etc.). But then, not all countries follow that
regulation (France being an example).
In short: generalisations about European rules and regulations are
dangerous to make;)–
Arnoud

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In reply to a message from john aspessi sent Thu 16 Feb 2006:

I like the side marker lights and as an added bonus they might keep
an idiot from broadsiding you. I’m sure I’ll wire them up to blink
with the turn signals. Kind of the same thoughts on the rear
reflectors. I’d sure think there is a law saying you need a
reflector, visible from the rear. It always seemed to me what the
factory provided was ‘minimal’–
Gary Boehm 76xj6 (400/400) 72xj6(p. car) 70xj6 (350/350)
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In reply to a message from Gary Boehm sent Sat 18 Feb 2006:

Dunno about the legality of them here in the US. My car has
resided in Pennsylvania for all of it’s life, I am the third
owner of it.

We have annual safety and emission inspections, and PA is
extremely picky about anything and everything. Most items
like brakes, windshields, wipers that work, headlamps etc…

The question of the sidemarker lamps has never come up, and
the mechanics, 2 of which I know rather well and the one
being unafraid to work on any type of car you can think of.
He had a Porsche and a Ferrari in his shop, but also was
working on a Hyundai and my old Ford beater.

Back to the subject, my car never failed over the years.
Technically the non-parking wiper issue that many older
beasts have was overlooked too. Dunno, marker lights seem
trivial to me, you have to be drunk or blind to not notice
the vehicle. Besides, how can one resist looking at such a
vehcile of beautiful design :)–
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Ok, let’s get back to basics: Canadian and US legislation introduced in
1966 year required that there be lights visible from the side, front and
rear. Many existing tail-lamp designs permitted already permitted this
as the lens protruded beyond the rear fender. But most often there was
no light at the front end. Car manufacturers were forced to add amber
lights on the front fender, and in many cases, red lights on the rear
fenders. This is the reason for the Canadian/US Lucas sidelamps on the
Jaguars (also used on other British cars such as the MGB). A comparison
of 1966 and 1967 North American cars will show the addition of these
side lights (often awkwardly integrated into the design, as obvious
“add-ons”). They have become so “normal” and so much a part of every
automobile design that we seem to have forgotten their origin.
These are NOT, as Nigel Thorley mistakenly says, “repeaters”
(turn signal indicators) as were fitted to the European and other-market
cars (and which are on the newer Jaguars of any market designation).

Gregory-----Original Message-----

From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf
Of 1985vdp
Sent: February 20, 2006 8:35 AM
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Subject: Re: [xj] Side wing indicators

The question of the sidemarker lamps has never come up

Dunno, marker lights seem
trivial to me, you have to be drunk or blind to not notice
the vehicle. Besides, how can one resist looking at such a
vehcile of beautiful design :slight_smile:

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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Mon 20 Feb 2006:

Like I said, dunno, but since it passed I’m not worried.

I found a link to the PA inspection criteria, and it says
the following:

(viii) A required lamp is missing.

That’s the only reference I could find (this is for PA only)

As for the wipers:

(iv) The wipers do not return to the rest position

In case anyone cares, or is also from PA this is the link to
the inspection criteria

http://www.pacode.com/secure/data/067/chapter175/s175.80.html

PA is a little ambiguous on some rules. I suppose the
inspection person would have to really know the vehicle. It
seems that I am indeed violating the code, but I don’t feel
like adding the lights anyway. Wipers… I’ll get to it one
day, or if I get failed sometime.–
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In reply to a message from Rowdy III sent Fri 17 Feb 2006:

After reading through the vehicle code for PA, it appears
that I have been let go (including my Dad for that matter)
on a couple of other items.

Parking brake (was fixed recently, but fell apart again)
doesnt work, I would like to rectify that one.

Car pulls to the side while braking, but will stay in lane…
for the most part. Needs front calipers replaced, rotors
are new as is MC.

Leaky steering rack, well… the new one in the basement is
getting dusty.

Exhaust leaks, leaks where the exhaust manifold meets the
downpipe to the exhaust system.

Ok, its old and still needs work.

Did I forget to mention that a car has to be running to get
inspected :stuck_out_tongue: Good thing my stickers are still valid, I can
push it down the road legally, and the state says it’s safe
to do so :)–
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