[xj] Smoking Ballast Resistor *sigh*

After a brisk ride on the freeway today, I noticed when
looking under the hood that I have the dreaded burning-up
ballast resister, which, as has been described by others, is
smoking like an unattended cigarette. I don’t have any
starting or running problems, and the coil and ballast
resistor are very clean, so it’s definitely not the result
of them being oily or something like that.

After reading through the MANY posts about this issue, I’m
still unclear as to exactly what I need to do - some say the
ballast resistor is required, some say it’s not needed. And
as to what’s going bad - maybe it’s the ballast
resister…or maybe it’s the coil…how do I even tell? I’m
tempted to replace both to avoid things exploding/catching
on fire.

Can anyone tell me for certain what the correct coil is (the
actual Jaguar part number)? My parts manual says it’s
DAC3001, but then other sources indicate that’s only correct
through 1985. Do I need the ballast resistor? It’s in my
parts manual as C32578, but nowhere else do I see that part
number referenced as correct for a Series III.–
Ian - Seattle, Washington (1987 Series III XJ6)
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In reply to a message from Ian Frearson sent Sat 24 Mar 2012:

I’m running without a ballast resistor. I am not sure of the
exact coil resistance in my current coil, but it is greater
than 1 Ohm. I’m sure someone else with more research on the
subject will be able to tell you what ohm resistance would
be best for your car, but the function of the resistor is to
drop the voltage in the ignition system for normal,
non-cranking at start up, running.–
Tom Hishon, 69 E-type 2+2, 69 E-type OTS, 85 XJ6, '03 X-type
Wasilla, Alaska, United States
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I think what you’re describing is a typical by-pass resistor arrangement:
lower voltage to the coil for normal running but bypassed during cranking
…allowing the full 12v to the coil…for easier starts.

On most any car except a Ser III XJ6 with CEI, that would be correct.
The ballast is in-line at all times. It isn’t a bypass resistor.

Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJRFrom: “kassaq” kassaq2k@mtaonline.net

but the function of the resistor is to
drop the voltage in the ignition system for normal,
non-cranking at start up, running.

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DAC3795 for the later coil with ballast

If you order it on-line make sure you’re getting the genuine item and not a
substitute at the genuine price ($$$$)

Lots of guys dump the resistor. Any 12v coil with about 1.0 ohm primary
resistance should be ok. I like the Lucas DLB170 myself

Near as I can tell C32578 is the part number for a resistor used on older
models, pre Ser III

Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJRFrom: “Ian Frearson” heiff@hotmail.com

Can anyone tell me for certain what the correct coil is (the
actual Jaguar part number)? My parts manual says it’s
DAC3001, but then other sources indicate that’s only correct
through 1985. Do I need the ballast resistor? It’s in my
parts manual as C32578, but nowhere else do I see that part
number referenced as correct for a Series III.

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Ian Frearson wrote:

After a brisk ride on the freeway today, I noticed when
looking under the hood that I have the dreaded burning-up
ballast resister, which, as has been described by others, is
smoking like an unattended cigarette. I don’t have any
starting or running problems, and the coil and ballast
resistor are very clean, so it’s definitely not the result
of them being oily or something like that.

After reading through the MANY posts about this issue, I’m
still unclear as to exactly what I need to do

You have three choises, Ian…:slight_smile:

Let it smoke; if it burns out - bypass it to get to your destination.
Change ths smoking one to a non-smoker - and move on. Or remove the
damned thing…

The ambiguities in advice is only related to the CE system - for all
other ignition systems the resistor(s) are there for fairly obvious
reasons; aftermarket systems should follow the respective advice given
by the manufacturer.

The ambiguity for the CE advice is that most of us do not gladly deviate
from work manual specs - which include or exclude the resistor depending
on coil type, but without seemingly any rhyme or reason. Ie, why some
coils are mentioned with, and others without, the resistor seems a well
kept secret ex factory - there is no mention of ‘why’…

The resistor drops coil voltage and restricts current flow through the
coil, which affects the spark voltage and spark energy. The ign amp of
the CE varies dwell angles automatically - to maintain a constant spark
energy throughout the rev range. Otherwise the amp is just an electronic
switch; a ‘make’ 'break’ground connection for coil neg - just like the
mechanical points it replaced…

The amp cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear - it cannot deliver
more out to the spark plugs than the coil/resistor allows to pass.
Rumour has it that excessive current may destroy the amplifier, which
may happen with some coils without the resistor - but for all I know
this is an old wives tale; you can believe it or not…

If there is no running problems with the restricting resistor - there is
no problem either way. And if the engine won’t run with the resistor;
you simply run without it - which most of us do. If the resistor fails
en route, the engine will stop - and the simple expedient is to bypass
it; that will reveal if the cause is the resistor. And if the resistor
smokes it is likely defective anyway…

There is no real data on why Jaguar fitted the resistor to some coils
and not to others on the CE. They may have had a reason - but as it is
not clear why; there is no way of finding out whether an arbitrary coil
actually needs a resistor. Or rather; the coil on the CE system does NOT
need a resistor - whether the ign amp needs it is has no answer…yet…

…the resistor(s) has been in the dustbin a looong time…:slight_smile:

Frank
xj6 85 Sov Europe (UK/NZ)>- some say the

ballast resistor is required, some say it’s not needed. And
as to what’s going bad - maybe it’s the ballast
resister…or maybe it’s the coil…how do I even tell? I’m
tempted to replace both to avoid things exploding/catching
on fire.

Can anyone tell me for certain what the correct coil is (the
actual Jaguar part number)? My parts manual says it’s
DAC3001, but then other sources indicate that’s only correct
through 1985. Do I need the ballast resistor? It’s in my
parts manual as C32578, but nowhere else do I see that part
number referenced as correct for a Series III.

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In reply to a message from Ian Frearson sent Sat 24 Mar 2012:

The UNIPART ‘French made’ coils are the ones that have the
ballast.

The LUCAS SUPER replacement coils don’t have them shipped
with the ballast and I never swapped them to the LUCAS when
I replaced the ‘leaking’ UNIPARTS.

The GM HEI ignition module can take a coil that draws a lot
of current. The V12 uses 2 coils in parallel!!!

bob gauff–
Bob Gauff Owning and Repairing Jaguars Since the Early 70’s
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In reply to a message from Doug Dwyer sent Sun 25 Mar 2012:

Many thanks for the replies everyone - very helpful indeed!

Doug, I see here that you recommended the Lucas DLB170, but
elsewhere (the coil FAQ here on Jag-Lovers), you stated that
you used the DLB198 (which is what I ordered). Do I need the
external ballast with DLB198?–
The original message included these comments:

DAC3795 for the later coil with ballast
If you order it on-line make sure you’re getting the genuine item and not a
substitute at the genuine price ($$$$)
Lots of guys dump the resistor. Any 12v coil with about 1.0 ohm primary
resistance should be ok. I like the Lucas DLB170 myself
Near as I can tell C32578 is the part number for a resistor used on older
models, pre Ser III
Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA


Ian - Seattle, Washington (1987 Series III XJ6)
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Shoot, that was a long time ago ! :slight_smile:

I doubt that you need the ballast. It shows as a replacement for the
earlier model Ser IIIs that typically didn’t have a ballast. I can’t
remember if I used one or not with the “198”. I know I didn’t use one with
the “170”

Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJRFrom: “Ian Frearson” heiff@hotmail.com

Doug, I see here that you recommended the Lucas DLB170, but
elsewhere (the coil FAQ here on Jag-Lovers), you stated that
you used the DLB198 (which is what I ordered). Do I need the
external ballast with DLB198?

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In reply to a message from Doug Dwyer sent Mon 26 Mar 2012:

i sent you a schematic of the S3 ballast resistor, did you get it?
i’ve now completed the S3 wiring schematics in colour ,if anyone
wants a copy just email me…all free–
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Are you talkin’ to me?

No, I didn’t get it, but try again. I’d like to see what you have.

Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJRFrom: “xj tom” tomj1711@optusnet.com.au

In reply to a message from Doug Dwyer sent Mon 26 Mar 2012:

i sent you a schematic of the S3 ballast resistor, did you get it?

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In reply to a message from xj tom sent Tue 27 Mar 2012:

Tom

Please. But, my machine is stuck on an email program I can not make
work!

carl.hutchins1@sbcglobl.net

I enjoy Jaguar lore from all sources.

I have this idea that some coils utilized by Jaguar, (relabeled
French Duculiers) are six voilt coils and need the ballast
resistor. And the point and condenser systems need it for point
protection

So, otherwise, it defies logic to waste electical enerrgy by
releasing it as heat.

Disclaimer: electrickery is not my strong suite.

Carl–
The original message included these comments:

I sent you a schematic of the S3 ballast resistor, did you get it?
I’ve now completed the S3 wiring schematics in colour ,if anyone
wants a copy just email me…all free


Carl Hutchins 1983 Jaguar XJ6 with LT1 and 1994 Jeep Grand
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In reply to a message from Doug Dwyer sent Mon 26 Mar 2012:

OK, I feel reasonably confident in hooking this thing up and that
nothing’s going to catch fire/explode :)I will report on my results!–
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Shoot, that was a long time ago ! :slight_smile:
I doubt that you need the ballast. It shows as a replacement for the
earlier model Ser IIIs that typically didn’t have a ballast. I can’t
remember if I used one or not with the ‘‘198’’. I know I didn’t use one with
the ‘‘170’’
Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA


Ian - Seattle, Washington (1987 Series III XJ6)
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Ian Frearson wrote:

In reply to a message from Doug Dwyer sent Mon 26 Mar 2012:

OK, I feel reasonably confident in hooking this thing up and that
nothing’s going to catch fire/explode :slight_smile:

That it won’t, Ian - at the very worst the engine may not run/or may run
imperfectly…:slight_smile:

Frank
xj6 85 Sov Europe (UK/NZ)>I will report on my results!

The original message included these comments:

Shoot, that was a long time ago ! :slight_smile:
I doubt that you need the ballast. It shows as a replacement for the
earlier model Ser IIIs that typically didn’t have a ballast. I can’t
remember if I used one or not with the ‘‘198’’. I know I didn’t use one with
the ‘‘170’’

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In reply to a message from Frank Andersen sent Wed 4 Apr 2012:

FWIW, one morning I had a no-start situation and noticed an
odd burning smell from under the hood. The coil was hot
(probably on the verge of smoking). It turned out that the
connectors on the coil were touching the fuel rail. I simply
scooted the coil over an inch to discontinue contact and all
was right.–
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pingeltont wrote:

In reply to a message from Frank Andersen sent Wed 4 Apr 2012:

FWIW, one morning I had a no-start situation and noticed an
odd burning smell from under the hood. The coil was hot
(probably on the verge of smoking). It turned out that the
connectors on the coil were touching the fuel rail.

One of the features of the system is that there are no fuses for any of
the engine management systems, Tim…

So a short will burn something, in this case; the coil will limit the
current to the coil’s primary resistance, making the coil a 150W
‘heater’. Which was why, on the mechanical points system; a ballast
resistor was included to limit coil current with the points closed…:slight_smile:

Well spotted - the coil would have burnt out…

Frank
xj6 85 Sov Europe (UK/NZ)> I simply

scooted the coil over an inch to discontinue contact and all
was right.

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