[xj] steering rack mounts again

Further to my report of damage caused by poly rack mount bushings: the poly
rack mount bushings in question were the black version, installed as
“upgrade mounts” in a V12 Vanden Plas in April 2007, just 17,000 kms ago by
a non-specialist mechanic; at the same time he installed a new transmission
mount. He assembled it the wrong way. The “new” spring has now broken…and
there is more - the wrong weight of oil among other things. Suffice it to
say that this simply reinforces what we have always said: if you do the work
yourself, be armed with the proper manuals; if you have someone else do it -
make sure the mechanic knows Jaguars OR/AND has the proper manuals - your
manuals if need be. And insist on OEM parts wherever possible.

Gregory,
Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
1966 3.8 Mk 2, Pale Primrose
1992 Series IIII V12 Vanden Plas, Black Cherry,
2002 X-Type, 5 sp. manual, Anthracite
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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Tue 29 Sep 2009:

I would definitely be questioning the source of his parts. One of
the reasons I do all my own work, is that I just haven’t found
anywhere I trust. No other damage I hope?

Regards

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In reply to a message from Rich W sent Tue 29 Sep 2009:

I do all the work in my car too, as long as it is not an engine or
tranny rebuild or R & R, anything alse I can handle.

Nobody does it better because I do it for myself.

Zurdo–
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the reasons I do all my own work, is that I just haven’t found
anywhere I trust. No other damage I hope?
Ric


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In reply to a message from zurdo sent Tue 29 Sep 2009:

Yeah, my take is that I can mess it up just as well as the psuedo
mechanic can and for a lot less.

But, I am not in the rush that the usual tech has to go to make a
decent buck.

Carl–
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the reasons I do all my own work, is that I just haven’t found
anywhere I trust. No other damage I hope?


Carl Hutchins 1983 Jaguar XJ6 with LT1 and 1994 Jeep Grand
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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Tue 29 Sep 2009:

Installed the black neoprene bushings from Coventry West in
my '85 XJ6 a few weeks ago - only driven the car a few times
since them, but the steering seems VERY precise and tends to
jump around a bit. Note that the car is due for a
completely R&R of all front end bits (ball joints / tie rod
ends/ all bushings) so I’m wondering if the value ‘‘bush-
less’’ steering that I faced with my old bushings was masking
some other issue.

Also, I DID NOT re-use the extra bracket that goes on the
drivers side - there simply wasn’t room. Did I do a very
bad thing by doing that? Only put about 150 miles at most
on the car since then, and since I will be under there in
due time fixing all the the front end bits, can re-add.

Anyone else notice very harsh steering (we’re talking side-
to-side motion, here) after replacing steering rack
bushings, and if so what was the cause(s) and remedies?

Jim–
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In reply to a message from kohanjj sent Wed 30 Sep 2009:

I’ve installed the John’s Cars orange poly bushings on 4 XJs now.
As already stated, not all poly bushings are the same.

I rebushed the entire front end (upper and lower wishbones and
swaybar) on a ser2 with stiff black poly. That car was too stiff
afterwards and I won’t make that mistake again but it didn’t exibit
the bahavior that you describe. It was very precise but rode like
a Corvette - not good.

The orange steering rack bushings are very soft (for poly). I’ve
used new ‘‘sport’’ bushings from Jaguar and I think they are close
enough to them in pliability and steering feel.

I wouldn’t use the black bushings that CW carries. Welsh sell them
too. AFAIK, John’s Cars is the only place with the softer orange
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Anyone else notice very harsh steering (we’re talking side-
to-side motion, here) after replacing steering rack
bushings, and if so what was the cause(s) and remedies?


John Testrake 74XJ12L rhd, 84 XJ6 700R4
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-----Original Message-----
John Testrake posted:

I wouldn’t use the black bushings that CW carries. Welsh sell them
too. AFAIK, John’s Cars is the only place with the softer orange
items.

John,

CW carries both the black neoprene rack bushings and the JCI orange polyurethane rack bushings.

FWIW Mr. Kohan purchased the black bushing set via our online store. If he had asked me, I would have strongly recommended the JCI
orange bushings. In fact, our description of the orange rack bushing set in our online store carries this note: “We strongly
recommend these polyurethane rack bushings.”

Best regards,

Gregory Wells 800-331-2193 x103
Coventry West, Inc. Atlanta, GA
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In reply to a message from Gregory Wells sent Thu 1 Oct 2009:

Greg’s correct, I chose to go the neoprene route, over the
website disclaimer AND Greg’s suggestions the time or two we
actually talked, for 2 main reasons: 1) reading discussions
here on JL that poly were too stiff and would drastically
change car handling and 2) cost - I deemed $14.95 for 3
neoprene bushings over $49.00 for poly bushings a safe bet -
figured if I didn’t like the neoprene, I was only out
$14.95!

My questions were more to the point of could I have screwed
something up by 1) not using the extra bracket and/or 2)
could I have messed something up while doing the ‘drop the
steering rack while it’s still connect to everything’
process.

Very pleased with Greg and the Coventry West team!

Jim–
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