[xj] The clock died

The analog clock gave up yesterday after working perfectly for only
twenty-five years - cheap Jaguar parts!! I’ll get a replacement but
am wondering where I should mount it so that it will last a bit
longer? ;)–
Bruce Hugo 1980 XJ6 S3 Brazillia Brown
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Uh…Bruce…the clock won’t last any longer unless you move it to a
cooler place (you will have to lengthen the wiring) - or mount it
outside, and paint it yellow. Obviously a clock that only functions as
designed for 25 years was poorly engineered; it can be improved by
adding to it a small electric cooling fan (the sort used in computers),
or by replacing the entire Jaguar engine with small GM block; for good
measure, replace the Borg Warner transmission with a GM unit; the Jaguar
BW originals only last 120,000 miles to 150,000 miles with proper
servicing. It is also possible that the Lucas alternator is responsible
for the brief life of the clock; I recommend replacing with an
almost-never-fail GM-Delco unit and the installation kit from Ralph Cars
(company motto: “make every Jaguar a Chevrolar!”). Don’t be put off by
those Jaguar fundamentalists who point out the irony that one of the
main failure points is a GM module in the amplifier; the fault is
probably Jaguar’s for putting the amplifier where they did and not
painting it yellow.
We have no idea whether these busy-work mods. will make the
clock last any longer than the original 25 years, but this sort of
re-engineering satisfies a deep urging. (:
Gregory-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf
Of Bruce Hugo
Sent: February 6, 2005 7:26 AM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [xj] The clock died.

The analog clock gave up yesterday after working perfectly for only
twenty-five years - cheap Jaguar parts!! I’ll get a replacement but
am wondering where I should mount it so that it will last a bit
longer? :wink:

Bruce

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.
Bruce my advice is keep it far away from any heater vent. If you could
arrange to have it continually vented with cool external air that would be
even better. For summer use when the car is parked in the sun you maybe
would like to consider hooking up a thermostatically controlled E-fan to it
to keep the temperature down as well. Don�t forget to solder the wires and
apply shrink wrap. Those bullet connects are a little on the flimsy side at
best and should all be replaced.

Bob.>From: “Bruce Hugo” brucehugo@hotmail.com

The analog clock gave up yesterday after working perfectly for only
twenty-five years - cheap Jaguar parts!! I’ll get a replacement but
am wondering where I should mount it so that it will last a bit
longer? :wink:

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In reply to a message from Bruce Hugo sent Sun 6 Feb 2005:

A sad, sad day indeed. Will there be services? Will the public be
invited?–
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The analog clock gave up yesterday after working perfectly for only
twenty-five years - cheap Jaguar parts!! I’ll get a replacement but
am wondering where I should mount it so that it will last a bit
longer? :wink:
Bruce Hugo 1980 XJ6 S3 Brazillia Brown


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In reply to a message from Bruce Hugo sent Sun 6 Feb 2005:

Bruce, I’ve never messed with a Jaguar clock but I got the one in
my first car, a '63 Chevrolet working again by pulling it apart and
oiling it. When IT was working properly you’d hear a click every
few minutes. This was a component inside that would use 12 volts
to make a small magnectic induced movement in the mechanics. A
spring would then be strechted. This would power the clock. As the
clock work would use up this ‘stored energy’ of the spring the
contact points of the 'component would be drawn ever closer
together, until they made contact, hence starting the process over
again. I found these contact points were dirty from the continual
arcing over the years. What would put this off would be to wire in
a small switch up under the dash that would let you turn the clock
off if the car is parked for extended periods of time.–
Gary Boehm 76xj6 (400/400) 72xj6(p. car) 70xj6 (350/350)
lancaster,ca, United States
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The SII and S3 Jaguar clock is a quartz-movement unit, not one of the
old points-style clocks (which had been used in earlier Jaguars). The
only way to improve it is to replace the whole engine and transmission
with GM units, as I suggested.
Gregory-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf
Of Gary Boehm
Sent: February 6, 2005 8:11 AM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj] The clock died.

In reply to a message from Bruce Hugo sent Sun 6 Feb 2005:

Bruce, I’ve never messed with a Jaguar clock but I got the one in
my first car, a '63 Chevrolet working again by pulling it apart and
oiling it. When IT was working properly you’d hear a click every
few minutes. This was a component inside that would use 12 volts
to make a small magnectic induced movement in the mechanics. A
spring would then be strechted. This would power the clock.

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Gregory’s response was wonderful, but on a serious note, take a look at
http://www.jaguarclock.com/. It’s run by Mike Eck on the E type list, he
might be able to perform the necessary CPR to return your clock to the
land of the living.

Craig
92 VDP

Bruce Hugo wrote:>The analog clock gave up yesterday after working perfectly for only

twenty-five years - cheap Jaguar parts!! I’ll get a replacement but
am wondering where I should mount it so that it will last a bit
longer? :wink:

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Bruce,

Don’t throw it away too quickly. There is a fellow (Mike Eck) on the XK
list that slaps a modification into the early clocks that will make them run
again. I understand he works on XJ clocks as well. Check his site.
www.jaguarclock.com
Just a satisfied customer.

Gene McGough
XJ6C II 1976
XK-150 S834515DN----- Original Message -----
From: “Bruce Hugo” brucehugo@hotmail.com

The analog clock gave up yesterday after working perfectly for only
twenty-five years - cheap Jaguar parts!! I’ll get a replacement but
am wondering where I should mount it so that it will last a bit
longer? :wink:

Bruce Hugo 1980 XJ6 S3 Brazillia Brown
St. Helens, OR, United States

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Totally different kind of clock. Bruce has an electronic quartz
movement.
Gregory-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf
Of Craig Talbot
Sent: February 6, 2005 9:47 AM
To: Bruce Hugo
Cc: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj] The clock died.

Gregory’s response was wonderful, but on a serious note, take a look at
http://www.jaguarclock.com/. It’s run by Mike Eck on the E type list, he

might be able to perform the necessary CPR to return your clock to the
land of the living.

Craig
92 VDP

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In reply to a message from genemc@cavemen.net sent Sun 6 Feb 2005:

Last night I took a look at Mike’s site (jaguarclock.com) and found
it fascinating! The early Smith’s 1’’ diameter clock that fit in
lower portion of the tachometer was extremely nice looking.
Unfortunately, what we have in my case is a Kienzle quartz clock
made in West Germany. Without taking the thing apart, I imagine it
is similar to any analog electric clock and with time will expire.
(no pun intended).–
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In reply to a message from Bruce Hugo sent Sun 6 Feb 2005:

Bruce, just in case :slight_smile:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&rd=1&item=4524273418&category=34206

Cheers–
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Unfortunately, what we have in my case is a Kienzle quartz clock
made in West Germany. Without taking the thing apart, I imagine it
is similar to any analog electric clock and with time will expire.
(no pun intended).


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Bruce: the clocks are still available new; a similar version was used as
late as the mid-90’s XJS.
Grego-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf
Of Bruce Hugo
Sent: February 6, 2005 9:10 AM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj] The clock died.

In reply to a message from genemc@cavemen.net sent Sun 6 Feb 2005:

Last night I took a look at Mike’s site (jaguarclock.com) and found
it fascinating! The early Smith’s 1’’ diameter clock that fit in
lower portion of the tachometer was extremely nice looking.
Unfortunately, what we have in my case is a Kienzle quartz clock
made in West Germany. Without taking the thing apart, I imagine it
is similar to any analog electric clock and with time will expire.
(no pun intended).

Bruce Hugo

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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Sun 6 Feb 2005:

Bruce, in spite of all the great advie you just got, it is obvious
that the time has come to junk that car. These cars were not made
to last forever and it’s just ridiculous to think you would keep it
running after the clock quit. I mean, get a life man. Do you want
to keep meeting with Doug doing these clandestine operations in the
back woods of Oregon forever?

I won’t admit that I just spent 4 hours yesterday replacing the
starter in the XJ6

david–
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Dave:
I am beginning to agree with you. Recent comments from New Zealand about
the amount of time spent applying leather conditioner have made me
rethink these issues of engineering and longevity. I mean, if a car
really needs to have conditioner regularly applied to the leather to
make it last 40 years or so (as for my 1966 Mark 2), then it just can’t
have been made properly in the first place. Ditto for the electric
clock, the coil, etc.
After all, you don’t find Lexus owners “angsting” over this, do
you? Uh…what’s that? there are no 40 year old Lexi? And Toyota
owner’s don’t want their never-fail, character-less but perfectly
adequate cars to last boringly for ever? oh…
Gregory, ever tongue-in-cheek.-----Original Message-----
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Of dns2jags
Sent: February 6, 2005 10:52 AM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xj] The clock died.

In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Sun 6 Feb 2005:

Bruce, in spite of all the great advie you just got, it is obvious
that the time has come to junk that car. These cars were not made
to last forever and it’s just ridiculous to think you would keep it
running after the clock quit

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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Sun 6 Feb 2005:

Gregory: I read your post to my 2000 Camry in the driveway. I
thought I detected a noticable sigh from her, a possible puffing
of the V12, and a high pitched giggle from the Miata. Probably my
imagination :slight_smile:

Cheers–
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After all, you don’t find Lexus owners ‘‘angsting’’ over this, do
you? Uh…what’s that? there are no 40 year old Lexi? And Toyota
owner’s don’t want their never-fail, character-less but perfectly
adequate cars to last boringly for ever? oh…
Gregory, ever tongue-in-cheek.


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Don’t say that! Bruce has the only fully fabric interior left in captivity
and such a rare beast should end up at JDHT. Of course, remembering its
speed capability he should start now. It will be vintage by the time it
reaches the UK!!

Fazal----- Original Message -----
From: “dns2jags” dsweet3193@aol.com

Bruce, in spite of all the great advie you just got, it is obvious
that the time has come to junk that car.

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Since Bruce apparently isn’t here to defend himself, I will step in.

He fixed his no-kickdown problem and his Jag now accelerates as it should
:slight_smile: Vrrooom ! :slight_smile:

Doug Dwyer
Longview, Washington USA
1987 Ser III XJ6
1988 XJS V12From: “Fazal Cader” fazalc@usa.net

Don’t say that! Bruce has the only fully fabric interior left in captivity
and such a rare beast should end up at JDHT. Of course, remembering its
speed capability he should start now. It will be vintage by the time it
reaches the UK!!

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In reply to a message from Fazal Cader sent Mon 7 Feb 2005:

Fazal - I’m certain you will be as thrilled as I am to learn that
in the State of Oregon my car, with a production date of February
1980, is now officially ‘‘vintage’’. As for speed capability, I now
spend all of my free time looking for little old men driving blue
Buicks so I can dust 'em off! You’d be proud! :)–
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Don’t say that! Bruce has the only fully fabric interior left in captivity
and such a rare beast should end up at JDHT. Of course, remembering its
speed capability he should start now. It will be vintage by the time it
reaches the UK!!


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Gregory, you’re converted! What made the Earth move for you? :]

I’ve just seen one of the v12s you spent a lot of time on, that ended up down
here – very nice, but…–
Alex
79xj6L SII (BRG + wires)
86xj6 SIII (Black)
61 Sprite MkII (Red)
Menlo Park, Calif.

“Dr. Gregory Andrachuk” wrote:

Uh…Bruce…the clock won’t last any longer unless you move it to a
cooler place (you will have to lengthen the wiring) - or mount it
outside, and paint it yellow. Obviously a clock that only functions as
designed for 25 years was poorly engineered; it can be improved by
adding to it a small electric cooling fan (the sort used in computers),
or by replacing the entire Jaguar engine with small GM block; for good
measure, replace the Borg Warner transmission with a GM unit; the Jaguar
BW originals only last 120,000 miles to 150,000 miles with proper
servicing. It is also possible that the Lucas alternator is responsible
for the brief life of the clock; I recommend replacing with an
almost-never-fail GM-Delco unit and the installation kit from Ralph Cars
(company motto: “make every Jaguar a Chevrolar!”). Don’t be put off by
those Jaguar fundamentalists who point out the irony that one of the
main failure points is a GM module in the amplifier; the fault is
probably Jaguar’s for putting the amplifier where they did and not
painting it yellow.
We have no idea whether these busy-work mods. will make the
clock last any longer than the original 25 years, but this sort of
re-engineering satisfies a deep urging. (:

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Alex Cannara wrote:
Gregory, I’ve just seen one of the v12s you spent a lot of time on, that
ended up down
here – very nice, but…

OK, Alex, I’m perishing with curiosity.

–very nice, but what?

Doug Ingram
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