ok, so if through out the life of the series 1,2,3 jaguar xj6 and
xj12 there was only a bit more than 300,000 cars made why does it
seem like every person has one?? I mean 100,000+ s3 xj6’s and 12’s
and every other kid seems to have one. plus on top of that I heared
that alot of these cars are being used for smash 'em up events
like destruction derbies and teenage mutalation! so seriously why
does such a classic seem to be on evry block. esspicaly since
america wasnt the only market for these cars, they were sold world
wide. 300,000+ cars isnt much for a course that spand from the 60’s
to early 90’s. I mean these cars are classic luxury yet my neigbors
son every day peels out in his xj12 reving the engine hard and
pushing it to the max and it seems like no seems to care bout these
cars anymore. if this message comes out to sound angry its not
supposed to be, I just want people to have a little respect for a
jag destined to be a great collector in the next 15-20 yrs. let me
know what you guys think on the subject too. thnaks–
80-XJ6-4.2
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If we are going to have a dialogue, can we have your name, please?
The XJ saloon in Series I, II and III is already a classic and you can be
assured that it is a treasured car for many people around the world - so
treasured that some of us are known not to let them get wet (!). Examples in
mediocre or poor condition are still available in many places at prices that
make them affordable (at purchase) for almost anyone - especially in the
current economy, and last year because of very high fuel prices. But the
purchase price of a Jaguar bears no relation to the cost of maintaining it -
and the purchase of a Jaguar does not carry a pre-requisite of common sense,
good taste, or emotional maturity - and that is the explanation for
mistreated XJ cars.
On this list you are in the company of people who appreciate the beauty,
elegance and enduring value of these cars and who attempt to maintain them
in the best possible condition - and almost always, in original condition as
much as possible. This is not an inexpensive process, however, as the newest
of these cars (1992) are now 17 years old and the majority are 20 to 25
years old. Older cars generally require a bit more attention - just like
older people. Don’t be too fussed by your neighbour: if that is how is
treating the XJ12 it may soon cost him too much to maintain anyway.
Gregory,
Victoria, Canada
1966 Mark 2 3.8 (Pale Primrose)
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas (Black Cherry)
2002 X-Type 5 sp. manual (Anthracite)
2004 XJ8 4.2 (Ebony)-----Original Message-----
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80-XJ6-4.2
Sent: April-11-09 3:41 PM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [xj] well if there’s only a little more than 300,000
ok, so if through out the life of the series 1,2,3 jaguar xj6 and
xj12 there was only a bit more than 300,000 cars made why does it
seem like every person has one?? I mean 100,000+ s3 xj6’s and 12’s
and every other kid seems to have one. plus on top of that I heared
that alot of these cars are being used for smash 'em up events
like destruction derbies and teenage mutalation! so seriously why
does such a classic seem to be on evry block. esspicaly since
america wasnt the only market for these cars
In reply to a message from 80-XJ6-4.2 sent Sat 11 Apr 2009:
Hello, What area do you live in? I’m in San Diego, Ca. And I
never ever see one around except for mine. So, I just wonder
where there could be so many.–
Mark Scotton 87 XJ6 Nimbus White / 87 XJ6 Arctic Blue
National City, CA, United States
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In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Sat 11 Apr 2009:
yes very true, I think people should come to realise that a jaguar
isnt a racecar or dragster, and your right not everyone will have
the common sence or maturity to properly care for a car like the xj
series. and I already knew that the car was a classic im talking
about it becoming a true collector with real value, not just
personal value. at 18 I feel very blissed to have had so many nice
cars(1990 mercedes 190e 2.5-16v, 1970 chevy nove ss, 1980 jaguar
xj6 sovriegn, and a soon to be running 1965 pontiac lemans), but
out of all these cars I’ve never felt as good as I did in my
jaguar. even though its having problems now. and your very correct
these cars are affordable to almost anyone and its not as if I dont
want people to enjoy the thrills you get out of this car I just
wish people knew how to get the most out of this car without
killing it.–
80-XJ6-4.2
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In reply to a message from brownslnjag sent Sat 11 Apr 2009:
redding ca, and theres at least 3-4 every day drivers and at least
2 s1 show cars I’ve seen. your right alot of larger cities dont have
alot of cars like that around(used to live in san francisco), they
usually stick to newer cars. I know I made it sound like theres
alot but thats a decent number for a city with a population of
100,000 people and only 300,000+ cars world wide.–
Cody W.
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In reply to a message from Cody W. sent Sat 11 Apr 2009:
That is alot for that low a population.But its cool. I wish
that I saw more of them here. But where I see the most of
them down here is the junkyard.–
Mark Scotton 87 XJ6 Nimbus White / 87 XJ6 Arctic Blue
National City, CA, United States
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In reply to a message from 80-XJ6-4.2 sent Sat 11 Apr 2009:
I think you’re just giving your neighbour’s son a hard time Let the kid get his thrills. Cars are meant to be driven.
Drive 'em hard. And appreciate the run when it’s over. You
can’t take the jag with you when you die.
There are probably less than 5 XJ12s where I live.–
Vikram Ambrose - Ottawa, Canada / 1974 XJ12 / 1993 190E
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In reply to a message from 80-XJ6-4.2 sent Sat 11 Apr 2009:
I think you’re just giving your neighbour’s son a hard time Let the kid get his thrills. Cars are meant to be driven.
Drive 'em hard. And appreciate the run when it’s over. You
can’t take the jag with you when you die.
You then only take along what you eat and drink, Vikram…
I hate to see any car unmercifully and pointlessly thrashed. Nice machinery
deserves some respect.
However, Jags are agile, not fragile…not by a long shot. If you think
that Jags are all elegance and luxury without substance, you’re mistaken !
Simple neglect, not hard use, is what sends most of them to the scrap yard.
The V12 has a “bottom end” that is almost unbreakable. The Jag
differential of the same design used in Corvettes and Jeeps. The V12s used
the big GM 400 transmission or the stout Borg Warner Model 12 unit. The
suspension is way overbuilt and the Jag body structure makes most cars look
as though they were made out of paper m�ch�.
I find opportunity (it must be providence) for few peel outs a year in my
Jag and push it to the max often…daily if I’m really lucky…just as I
did with my older ones.
In return I pay the car back with abundantly proper care and feeding and, of
course, adoration
Cheers
Doug Dwyer
Longview Washington USA
1995 XJRFrom: “80-XJ6-4.2” ncores18@yahoo.com
I mean these cars are classic luxury yet my neigbors
son every day peels out in his xj12 reving the engine hard and
pushing it to the max and it seems like no seems to care bout these
cars anymore.
In reply to a message from V. Ambrose sent Sat 11 Apr 2009:
Vikram. If you are actually limiting your count to that of the XJ12
model. I suppose you could possibly be right if you add in
Montreal. However when lumping into your total the plentifull
supply of V-12 VPD’s in your direct area, your count would be ‘‘way
short’’.
I presently own two, a 92 and a 87 (presently undergoing a full
body transplant) and have another three 92’s in my care. There are
probably about fifteen more series III’s V-12 VDP’s that I know of
that are owned by members of the Ottawa Jaguar Club and by other
friends in your location.
Bob.–
The original message included these comments:
There are probably less than 5 XJ12s where I live.
Vikram Ambrose - Ottawa, Canada / 1974 XJ12 / 1993 190E
So, no name? …your car,
For the record, is not a Sovereign. The Jaguar Sovereign model did not
appear until the 1984 model year - although someone may have fitted a
Sovereign badge to your car.
With regard to the way the cars are treated: you cannot legislate maturity
or common sense.
Gregory,
Victoria, Canada
1966 Mark 2 3.8 (Pale Primrose)
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas (Black Cherry)
2002 X-Type 5 sp. manual (Anthracite)
2004 XJ8 4.2 (Ebony)-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
80-XJ6-4.2
Sent: April-11-09 5:57 PM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xj] well if there’s only a little more than 300,000
In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Sat 11 Apr 2009:
yes very true, I think people should come to realise that a jaguar
isnt a racecar or dragster, and your right not everyone will have
the common sence or maturity to properly care for a car like the xj
series.
these cars are affordable to almost anyone and its not as if I dont
want people to enjoy the thrills you get out of this car I just
wish people knew how to get the most out of this car without
killing it.
In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Sun 12 Apr 2009:
Cody gave us his name initially after I asked Gregory, and has
indeed changed his ID during this thread (Cody W).
I think Doug is right on the hard use point, although there is a
time and a place for everything which when we were young we
sometimes did not appreciate (spekaing personally!). These are
tough old birds if looked after and a luxury ride was never
permitted to dominate to the exclusion of grip and handling. I
wonder how many V12 in particular were ruined by too little hard
work rather than too much.
Pete–
The original message included these comments:
Yes, I saw that Cody gave us his name later: thanks Cody!
Hard use: as you suggest, Peter, there is a distinct difference between
“hard use” -( meaning letting the car reach its potential when properly
warmed up and under proper circumstances (an open road) - and abuse:
“peeling away” from the driveway when the engine and transmission are cold
is simply abuse - and the owner will pay for it.
The V12 engine is properly warmed up after about 10 kms or more of driving
(long after the engine reaches operating temperature) - you can always tell
by the oil pressure which will drop at idle when the engine is properly
heated. The V12, perhaps more than the XK engine, benefits from regular
exercise on the highway.
I have been watching over a V12 VDP here for several years now - owned by a
lady of a certain age; its normal use is an in-town trip of 2-3 kilometers.
I have offered my services a driver to give this car some much-needed
“attention”.
Gregory,
Victoria, Canada
1966 Mark 2 3.8 (Pale Primrose)
1992 Series III V12 Vanden Plas (Black Cherry)
2002 X-Type 5 sp. manual (Anthracite)
2004 XJ8 4.2 (Ebony)-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xj@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xj@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of
PeterCrespin
Sent: April-12-09 7:50 AM
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xj] well if there’s only a little more than 300,000
In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Sun 12 Apr 2009:
Cody gave us his name initially after I asked Gregory, and has
indeed changed his ID during this thread (Cody W).
I think Doug is right on the hard use point, although there is a
time and a place for everything which when we were young we
sometimes did not appreciate (spekaing personally!).
In reply to a message from Dr. Gregory Andrachuk sent Sun 12 Apr 2009:
True on most counts.
I used to see several S III’s running around town. Most looked
good. Little by little, less and less. Now it’s just the primroxe
with wires that I see at the shopping park lot. Oler guy than me in
charge, so?
Put,putting around town ruins more cars than fast freeway running.
But, you ca’t just jump from one to the other. A carboned up engine
just may collapse when subjected to an ‘‘Italian’’ tuneup. Baby steps
count here. But, as part of maintenace, it is in order. But, even
racers whith very well prpared and fresh engines do warm up laps to
get things ready to do WOT. It is not only the engine, but the
driveline and suspension that need a limbering before the sprint. A
drive way idle to warm up does mre harm than good. Just start,
drive gently and little by little increase the exuberance. Then,
blow that bimmer away.
Csrl–
The original message included these comments:
Hard use: as you suggest, Peter, there is a distinct difference between
‘‘hard use’’ -( meaning letting the car reach its potential when properly
warmed up and under proper circumstances (an open road) - and abuse:
‘‘peeling away’’ from the driveway when the engine and transmission are cold
is simply abuse - and the owner will pay for it.
The V12 engine is properly warmed up after about 10 kms or more of driving
(long after the engine reaches operating temperature) - you can always tell
by the oil pressure which will drop at idle when the engine is properly
heated. The V12, perhaps more than the XK engine, benefits from regular
exercise on the highway.
Very good, Carl !
Well said…
Bill
AlaskaOn Apr 12, 2009, at 9:42 AM, cadjag wrote:
. But, even
racers whith very well prpared and fresh engines do warm up laps to
get things ready to do WOT. It is not only the engine, but the
driveline and suspension that need a limbering before the sprint. A
drive way idle to warm up does mre harm than good. Just start,
drive gently and little by little increase the exuberance. Then,
blow that bimmer away.
Let the kid get his thrills. Cars are meant to be driven.