[xj] Wire Wheels

[Cannara]

Cannara <@Cannara>

Bob, I agree, having taken JohnT’s 70-spoke Daytons over. They are in line
and seem to be fine, with these two caveats: 1) the balancer must have, and
know how to insert, the test hub cone properly; and 2) the spokes need to be
checked for uniform tightness. I’d ask Dayton for a spec on that. If you do,
let us know what they say the spokes should sound like when plucked! On ours
I notice that certain sharp pavement bumps can raise an audible clickety from
the spokes, so I may well need to do some tightening. However, like Jim, I
sometimes drive hard and have tested them that way on very sharp turns, with
no problems. They do make the SII look more true to an earlier era. One
other thing – carefully oil each spoke adjuster and the spoke fitting as seen
from inside the hub. This will make them easier to adjust later and avoid
some rusting, despite making the wheels a bit messier for a while afterward.
By the way, I kept the original “turbo” chromed wheels, just in case. {:o]

Alex
79xj6L SII
Menlo Park, Calif.

MillTech wrote:>

MillTech MillTech@Pacbell.net

Peddlarbob@aol.com wrote:

Peddlarbob@aol.com

Hi Gregory. I am not the sort to disregard free advise and your comments
have given me reason to doubt my decision to install these wire wheels on a
car that has just under gone a costly restoration. However I did contact
Dayton Wheels in Ohio to find out more about these wheels that I have. They
told me this particular series of rims where produced specifically for use on
Jaguars and are suitable and safe to install them on my XJ series Jaguar.
The type that I have are simulated knock on’s with a simulated knock on nut
(cap). They actually bolt directly to the hub. A phone call too Jaguar’s
Coventry headquarters’ got the answer to this same question “We do not
recommend any rim to be installed on our cars other than what we manufacture
for safety reasons”. Gregory, do you have any personal knowledge or know any
one that has used these rims and experienced problems. I thought the
questions in my mind about what to do with the engine was going to be the
hard one this has turned out to be twice as hard. If I decide not to use
these rims do I just eat the cost or do I sell them and pass the problem on
to someone else, tough decision. Regards Bob.

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Bob,

Keep the wheels. Use them. Enjoy them. I have had a set of Daytons on
the SIII for 5 years. It came with them. I drive the car very hard. I
use Eagle One cleaner. Works great. The safety issue with these wheels
is in my opinion mostly bafflegab. Dayton did upgrade the number of
spokes to 70 for the heavier cars. There is no way, in our current
litigious times, that Dayton would continue making them if they were
dangerous.

Regarding phone calls to Jaguar, remember a) the people that you talk to
are employed to sell Jaguars and Jaguar parts only, and they, more than
likely, have never even seen a set of Dayton wires up close.

Secondly, Gregory, I think you need to ease up on chastising newbies
regarding ‘purity’ of the car and it’s fittings. As I recall when you
get a car, you change the purity of the trunk by installing an extra
light. You prefer the 7 inch headlights to the smaller ones. It appears
that a double standard exists. These are changes you make that you feel
are acceptable. Other purists may feel that they destroy the car. I
know a few ‘concours’ types here in San Diego (from other marques) and
they would be horrified at the idea of screwing a light fixture from an
xjs into something like the v12 you just bought.

Jim Downes

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[Henry_Fok]

Henry Fok <@Henry_Fok>

Peddlarbob@aol.com said…

Gregory, do you have any personal knowledge or know any
one that has used these rims and experienced problems. I thought the
questions in my mind about what to do with the engine was going to be the
hard one this has turned out to be twice as hard. If I decide not to use
these rims do I just eat the cost or do I sell them and pass the problem on
to someone else, tough decision. Regards Bob.

I have, and what I had were the “recommended” Daytons; 70 spoke, as I
recall.

I hated them with a passion. While they did indeed look good on the car,
they caused no end of problems for me, even though I had them serviced
several times by the local Dayton dealer.

1. Creaking when being slung around corners. Yup, even though they were
   properly tensioned and almost new, you could hear them creak when I
   cornered.

2. Vague steering feel - also when cornering, they car felt very vague
   and would wander a bit. This I attribute to wheel flex, which is not a
   good thing when the wheels are under a 5000lb car.

3. Air leaks. Even though I had my wheels resealed several times, I
   always had slow air leaks.

4. High maintenance. Although supposedly maintenance free, I always had
   spokes coming loose or loosening up. Every week, had to get out there and
   check each one of the spokes…

The first chance I got I traded them for Kent alloys. All these problems
suddenly disappeared. I personally view any wire wheel on an XJ to be
unsafe, even for Sunday driving, due to the lack of capability for
emergency maneuvers.

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[Gregory_Wells]

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MillTech wrote:

Peddlarbob@aol.com wrote:

A phone call too Jaguar’s
Coventry headquarters’ got the answer to this same question “We do not
recommend any rim to be installed on our cars other than what we manufacture
for safety reasons”. Gregory, do you have any personal knowledge or know any
one that has used these rims and experienced problems.

Bob,

Keep the wheels. Use them. Enjoy them. I have had a set of Daytons on
the SIII for 5 years. It came with them. I drive the car very hard. I
use Eagle One cleaner. Works great. The safety issue with these wheels
is in my opinion mostly bafflegab. Dayton did upgrade the number of
spokes to 70 for the heavier cars. There is no way, in our current
litigious times, that Dayton would continue making them if they were
dangerous.

The issue with the wire wheels IMO is not so much a safety issue as a
durability issue, especially when comparing them against the factory
alloy or steel wheels. I can’t ever recall hearing of an accident caused
by a wire wheel, although if one ignores a broken spoke, which will
inevitably lead to more broken spokes, it could certainly happen.

There isn’t much doubt that the wire wheels will break spokes, perhaps
not on your car, but it is something we have seen often enough to say it
does happen fairly frequently. The wire wheels will go out of round and
leak air on occasion, although these facts are true of almost any wire
wheel.

My feeling is that one has to balance the looks of wire wheels on
Jaguars against the cost, the difficulty in cleaning them, the
possibility of air leakage through the rim, their tendency to go out of
round, the difficulty in keeping them balanced, and the likelihood that
spokes will break.

For some folks the negatives outweigh the benefits; for others they do
not. You pays your money and you takes your choice!

Best regards,

Gregory Wells
Coventry West, Inc.
New, Rebuilt, & Used Jaguar Parts
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[Henry_Fok]

Henry Fok <@Henry_Fok>

MillTech said…

Secondly, Gregory, I think you need to ease up on chastising newbies
regarding ‘purity’ of the car and it’s fittings. As I recall when you
get a car, you change the purity of the trunk by installing an extra
light. You prefer the 7 inch headlights to the smaller ones. It appears
that a double standard exists. These are changes you make that you feel
are acceptable. Other purists may feel that they destroy the car. I
know a few ‘concours’ types here in San Diego (from other marques) and
they would be horrified at the idea of screwing a light fixture from an
xjs into something like the v12 you just bought.

Considering that the US (and maybe Canada) was the only market that got
the stupid 5" lights, I don’t see why changing it back to the spec that
everyone else on the planet got is “affecting the purity,” Milltech. In
fact, one can view cars with the small lights as adulterated versions, so
your argument falls apart here. Also, I suspect that most of his cars had
or already came with 7" lights.

And the XJS doesn’t have 7", it’s got dual 5" lights or one big composite
on a side. What are you thinking of? The composite light doesn’t even fit
on the XJ!

Also, with regard to the trunk light - it plain SUCKS. Though I am
currently looking at a special Halogen bulb which might fit it and
improve the light output, I can understand why he would modify this.
But, the mod here is extremely small, not externally detectable, and is
done in the interest of safety. It may interest you to know that the
stock light isn’t even a Lucas part. It’s a Hella, and I’ve seen the same
unit in VW’s, Audis, and one BMW.

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[Cannara]

Cannara <@Cannara>

Just some comments on the supposedly same units I have, which came well used:

1. No creaking on hard corners, but just the clickety on certain sharp bumps.

2. Steering unchanged from original – perfect.

3. No air loss.

4. No changes in spokes that I can see, and I’ve always been suspicious of
   wires, so I do check them.

Alex
79xj6L SII

Henry Fok wrote:>

Henry Fok xj@fok.com

Peddlarbob@aol.com said…

Gregory, do you have any personal knowledge or know any
one that has used these rims and experienced problems. I thought the
questions in my mind about what to do with the engine was going to be the
hard one this has turned out to be twice as hard. If I decide not to use
these rims do I just eat the cost or do I sell them and pass the problem on
to someone else, tough decision. Regards Bob.

I have, and what I had were the “recommended” Daytons; 70 spoke, as I
recall.

I hated them with a passion. While they did indeed look good on the car,
they caused no end of problems for me, even though I had them serviced
several times by the local Dayton dealer.

1. Creaking when being slung around corners. Yup, even though they were
   properly tensioned and almost new, you could hear them creak when I
   cornered.

2. Vague steering feel - also when cornering, they car felt very vague
   and would wander a bit. This I attribute to wheel flex, which is not a
   good thing when the wheels are under a 5000lb car.

3. Air leaks. Even though I had my wheels resealed several times, I
   always had slow air leaks.

4. High maintenance. Although supposedly maintenance free, I always had
   spokes coming loose or loosening up. Every week, had to get out there and
   check each one of the spokes…

The first chance I got I traded them for Kent alloys. All these problems
suddenly disappeared. I personally view any wire wheel on an XJ to be
unsafe, even for Sunday driving, due to the lack of capability for
emergency maneuvers.

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[John_Vandermeulen]

@John_Vandermeulen (John Vandermeulen)

Tony - great pix, great looking car. Did you buy this new, used, restored, original
used condition? She looks gorgeous, and interior is lush. Congratulations.
John Vandermeulen> http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=954416104

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[Rick_Ashworth]

Rick Ashworth <@Rick_Ashworth>

Hello Chaps,

Just a word on the wire wheels thread. That word is “insurance”. While they
may or may not look good, they may or may not creak…what does your
insurance company say about this non-authorised mod? Haven’t told 'em? Look
out, if you’re involved in a prang, some companies will cancel your
insurance if your car had been subjected to mods of which the insurance
company has not been informed. They might go easy if you can prove that the
fitment of the wheels did not contribute to an incident…they might not.

Whatever your choice, let your insurance company know.

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[Gregory_Wells]

Gregory Wells <@Gregory_Wells1>

Rick Ashworth wrote:

Just a word on the wire wheels thread. That word is “insurance”. While they
may or may not look good, they may or may not creak…what does your
insurance company say about this non-authorised mod? Haven’t told 'em? Look
out, if you’re involved in a prang, some companies will cancel your
insurance if your car had been subjected to mods of which the insurance
company has not been informed. They might go easy if you can prove that the
fitment of the wheels did not contribute to an incident…they might not.

Whatever your choice, let your insurance company know.

Rick,

That insurance “situation” doesn’t seem to be as prevalent over here in
the States. I’ve never heard of this recommendation for reasonable
wheels swaps, i.e. similar size and offset. And as I said in an earlier
post, our experience is that you’d have to ignore the ample warnings of
a broken spoke to cause a catastrophic failure. Any insurance guys care
to address this issue of notification?

We’ve had a lot of posts from wire wheel owners stating they’ve never
had a problem with broken spokes. Coventry West has probably had as many
wire wheels through our salvage department as anyone in the US the last
two decades and I can say that we see a high percentage of these wheels
with broken spokes, such that it is frequently difficult to assemble a
four wheel set without stripping 2-3 cars.

You folks with “no problem” posts: have you “rung” the spokes on your
wheels? That is, have you tapped them with a metal rod or small wrench
and listened to the “musical” notes. I’m betting a number of you will
find loose, dead-ringing spokes on your wheels that you didn’t know were
there. Try this, please, and report to the list.

Best regards,

Gregory Wells
Coventry West, Inc.
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[Cannara]

Cannara <@Cannara>

Rick, I’ll check with ours, which is AAA, just to see.

Alex
79xj6L SII

Rick Ashworth wrote:>

Rick Ashworth Rick.Ashworth@launceston.tas.gov.au

Hello Chaps,

Just a word on the wire wheels thread. That word is “insurance”. While they
may or may not look good, they may or may not creak…what does your
insurance company say about this non-authorised mod? Haven’t told 'em? Look
out, if you’re involved in a prang, some companies will cancel your
insurance if your car had been subjected to mods of which the insurance
company has not been informed. They might go easy if you can prove that the
fitment of the wheels did not contribute to an incident…they might not.

Whatever your choice, let your insurance company know.

Cheers,

Rick

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[John_Tompane]

John Tompane <@John_Tompane>

You folks with “no problem” posts: have you “rung” the spokes on your
wheels?

Yes. I do this about once a year as part of my check up for the winter
(rainy season around here). Have not had any “dead ringers” so far, though I
haven’t done this for about 9 months.

Coventry West has probably had as many
wire wheels through our salvage department as anyone in the US the last
two decades and I can say that we see a high percentage of these wheels
with broken spokes, such that it is frequently difficult to assemble a
four wheel set without stripping 2-3 cars.

This is not surprising. As I posted earlier, there were definite problems
with the 60 spoke wheels from Dayton, and there were also some other
manufacturers of wire wheels which were even worse and were installed by
some Jag dealers on the cheap. And as Henry reported he had trouble with
even the 70 spoke wheels. However, you have to look at the statistical
significance of each of these data points. I’m sure the marketing geeks at
Dayton pull out their hair knowing that they have thousands of wheels out in
the world performing nicely (which of course nobody reports), but most base
their opinion on the failures of past product, competitor’s product or a
small number of defective current products (there is yet to be a
manufactured product with zero defects). I am also sure that salvaged cars
are not very representative of the overall population of wire wheels, after
all, they are junk for a reason. The OEM alloys off your salvage cars might
not pass QA muster or stress testing equivalent to new alloys, though they
look fine.

I’ve always been slightly annoyed when someone says, “Oh is that your
Jaguar, it’s beautiful, but aren’t they a nightmare?” because in my
experience all 5 I’ve owned have been wonderfully reliable. Just because the
British Government decided muck around with socializing the motorcar
industry for awhile doesn’t mean that every car out of Coventry is a
“nightmare”, but it will take decades to erase that perception. So I guess
I’m sympathetic to Dayton suffering the same plight as Jaguar, and as a
satisfied customer I’ll stick up for them, just as I do for Sir William’s
legacy.

Relating to the above, someday I’ll let slip out what I’ve always wanted to
say in retort - “Well you are very attractive as well, but aren’t you an
idiot?”

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[Cannara]

Cannara <@Cannara>

FYI, I check all 280 of our Dayton spokes and found one that was quite
noticeably low in pitch, but not loose. It took 1/2 turn to get it with the
rest. The variation in pitch around any wheel is, of course noticeable, but I
don’t yet know what the specs are. Since these were formerly in JohnT’s care,
I’m not surprised they’re ok.

Alex
79xj6L SII

John Tompane wrote:>

John Tompane ouzler@pacbell.net

You folks with “no problem” posts: have you “rung” the spokes on your
wheels?

Yes. I do this about once a year as part of my check up for the winter
(rainy season around here). Have not had any “dead ringers” so far, though I
haven’t done this for about 9 months.

Coventry West has probably had as many
wire wheels through our salvage department as anyone in the US the last
two decades and I can say that we see a high percentage of these wheels
with broken spokes, such that it is frequently difficult to assemble a
four wheel set without stripping 2-3 cars.

This is not surprising. As I posted earlier, there were definite problems
with the 60 spoke wheels from Dayton, and there were also some other
manufacturers of wire wheels which were even worse and were installed by
some Jag dealers on the cheap. And as Henry reported he had trouble with
even the 70 spoke wheels. However, you have to look at the statistical
significance of each of these data points. I’m sure the marketing geeks at
Dayton pull out their hair knowing that they have thousands of wheels out in
the world performing nicely (which of course nobody reports), but most base
their opinion on the failures of past product, competitor’s product or a
small number of defective current products (there is yet to be a
manufactured product with zero defects). I am also sure that salvaged cars
are not very representative of the overall population of wire wheels, after
all, they are junk for a reason. The OEM alloys off your salvage cars might
not pass QA muster or stress testing equivalent to new alloys, though they
look fine.

I’ve always been slightly annoyed when someone says, “Oh is that your
Jaguar, it’s beautiful, but aren’t they a nightmare?” because in my
experience all 5 I’ve owned have been wonderfully reliable. Just because the
British Government decided muck around with socializing the motorcar
industry for awhile doesn’t mean that every car out of Coventry is a
“nightmare”, but it will take decades to erase that perception. So I guess
I’m sympathetic to Dayton suffering the same plight as Jaguar, and as a
satisfied customer I’ll stick up for them, just as I do for Sir William’s
legacy.

Relating to the above, someday I’ll let slip out what I’ve always wanted to
say in retort - “Well you are very attractive as well, but aren’t you an
idiot?”

Cheers,

JT

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[Gregory_Wells]

Gregory Wells <@Gregory_Wells1>

John Tompane wrote:

Coventry West has probably had as many
wire wheels through our salvage department as anyone in the US the last
two decades and I can say that we see a high percentage of these wheels
with broken spokes, such that it is frequently difficult to assemble a
four wheel set without stripping 2-3 cars.

This is not surprising. As I posted earlier, there were definite problems
with the 60 spoke wheels from Dayton, and there were also some other
manufacturers of wire wheels which were even worse and were installed by
some Jag dealers on the cheap. And as Henry reported he had trouble with
even the 70 spoke wheels. However, you have to look at the statistical
significance of each of these data points. I’m sure the marketing geeks at
Dayton pull out their hair knowing that they have thousands of wheels out in
the world performing nicely (which of course nobody reports), but most base
their opinion on the failures of past product, competitor’s product or a
small number of defective current products (there is yet to be a
manufactured product with zero defects). I am also sure that salvaged cars
are not very representative of the overall population of wire wheels, after
all, they are junk for a reason. The OEM alloys off your salvage cars might
not pass QA muster or stress testing equivalent to new alloys, though they
look fine.

John,

Thanks for the post in reply and for the cogent points therein. Please
understand that I’m not trying to get you to dump your wires!

In further counterpoint, my opinion is not just based on the salvage
wheels but also on the problems we saw on cars with wire wheels in our
former service department.

I still maintain that wire wheels are less durable than alloys and are
susceptible to out of round and balance problems. But this is certainly
true comparing any wire wheels to alloys, not just Daytons. Anyone
interested in wire wheels on a Jaguar needs to be aware that they are
not going to be as trouble-free as alloy wheels. Surely you would not
argue this point?

Dayton is to be commended for their replacement policies for both 60-
and 70-spoke wire wheels.

As I said, it’s your car and your call.

Best regards,

Gregory Wells
Coventry West, Inc.
New, Rebuilt, & Used Jaguar Parts
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[John_Tompane]

John Tompane <@John_Tompane>

Gregory Wells sales@coventrywest.com

[snip]

Anyone
interested in wire wheels on a Jaguar needs to be aware that they are
not going to be as trouble-free as alloy wheels. Surely you would not
argue this point?

Total agreement with the above. I just don’t want someone who really wants
spokes to be led to believe that they are an unacceptable alternative for a
Jaguar. Hey, XJR’s will not be as trouble-free as a XJ8, but sometimes a
little more maintenance or potential for problems is worth it…

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[Dr_Gregory_Andrachuk]

“Dr Gregory Andrachuk” mgb@uvvm.uvic.ca

Bob: I do know of one person who had wire wheels on a Series 3 car, and
complained bitterly about the balance problem� he finally put a set of Kent
wheels on the car. The wire wheels look great, I must admit. I do not know
whether the wheels in question were Daytons or not.
Gregory----- Original Message -----
From: Peddlarbob@aol.com
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: mi�rcoles, 28 de junio de 2000 5:57
Subject: Re: [xj] Wire Wheels

Peddlarbob@aol.com

Hi Gregory. I am not the sort to disregard free advise and your comments
have given me reason to doubt my decision to install these wire wheels on
a
car that has just under gone a costly restoration. However I did contact
Dayton Wheels in Ohio to find out more about these wheels that I have.
They
told me this particular series of rims where produced specifically for use
on
Jaguars and are suitable and safe to install them on my XJ series Jaguar.
The type that I have are simulated knock on’s with a simulated knock on
nut
(cap). They actually bolt directly to the hub. A phone call too Jaguar’s
Coventry headquarters’ got the answer to this same question “We do not
recommend any rim to be installed on our cars other than what we
manufacture
for safety reasons”. Gregory, do you have any personal knowledge or know
any
one that has used these rims and experienced problems. I thought the
questions in my mind about what to do with the engine was going to be the
hard one this has turned out to be twice as hard. If I decide not to use
these rims do I just eat the cost or do I sell them and pass the problem
on
to someone else, tough decision. Regards Bob.

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“Dr Gregory Andrachuk” mgb@uvvm.uvic.ca

That sounds sensible to me!
Gregory----- Original Message -----
From: Peddlarbob@aol.com
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: mi�rcoles, 28 de junio de 2000 6:21
Subject: Re: [xj] Wire Wheels

Peddlarbob@aol.com

Gregory. Just an after thought, perhaps I should get my P4000’s mounted
on
these rims and try them on my VDP first. What do you think?
P.s. Your comments are really appreciated but please stick to simple
English
because I hate having to look things up in the dictionary. Regards
Bob.

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[HUDSON.ROBERT (HUDSON.ROBERT@heb.com)]

I’ve never even CONTEMPLATED wire wheels, as my OCD toward cleanliness would
enslave me to keeping them clean :-}. Have noticed one thing…cars that run
in salt have corrosion on polished/painted/clearcoated alloys, less so on
anything chrome. So, either way you go, keep 'em clean!
Although, I saw an black XJ6 here in San Antonio with POLISHED Kent’s with the
insets painted black. Sorry, didn’t notice whether it was a Series II of III
car…I was just blown away by what the wheels looked like. It’s hard to
describe how good it looked.
BTW, I’m still looking into setting up my suspension for XK8 wheels…so far,
about $1,200 bucks is the going price for replacement springs & sway bars.
Plus freight, plus time to install, plus new shocks at about $70 a pop, plus
tires for around, oh say, another $600. Oh yeah, plus I have to buy the
Jaguar emblems for the middle, which I don’t have…so, we’re getting pretty
far beyond the tolerance zone for SWMBO’d.

Bob H. (Beginning to understand this whole “Rent a Tire” concept…)
'85 XJ6 (2 '90 Perfect Kents, 2 '85 Kents Needing Repaint)
'87 VdP (4 OE Kents, looking good!)
'98 XK8 (Wheels only, at this point…wonder how much for a whole car one piece
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Original Dayton wire wheels on my xj40 almost impossible to mount a tire
(air would leak around rims)…I exchanged them for latest version of
Dayton’s and have had no problem whatever. I don’t think Dayton would still
be selling wire wheels for Jags if there was a safety issue.

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[Gary_Boehm]

In reply to a message from kweimer sent Sat 25 Oct 2003:

Maybe the bolt pattern of wheels that fit an xj will also fit other
Jaguars or maybe a little mg. The xj is a very heavy car, but those
wheels sure look nice. I bought a '72 parts car and it has wires, I
found the name Zenith cast into the inside of the hub. Great
saying Ken, about ‘what gets fixed’ I found this in a fortune(sp)
cookie: You know what you want, now get to work to make it
materilize (sp)–
The original message included these comments:

If I can’t fix it, it don’t get fixed’’

–
'76xj6 (chevy400/400) & '72xj6(parts car)
lancaster,ca, United States
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