[xj] (xj) RE: Bonnet closure

  1. it should be noted that Jaguar also has specific directions for closing
    the bonnet. Stand in front, grip the grille under the centre lip, and
    raiseFrom: “Dr Gregory Andrachuk”
    it smartly
    -----------------------------

A minor matter, but the hand-book for my Jaguar (XJ12 H.E. - 1986.)
states:-

“To close the bonnet, stand in front of car. Apply light pressure to the
centre of the bonnet panel with one hand and with a rocking action pull on
the centre of the radiator grill with the other.”

This works for me---- but then I am an old ‘rocker’!!

Best wishes,

Alan.

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Yes, Alan, you are correct. In other places they omit the mention of the
hand on the bonnet; it is unnecessary unless you are weak, in fact. The
strange thing is, if you are not strong enough (and it does not require any
real strength) to close the bonnet by pulling up at the grille, you are
unlikely to have a reach long enough to help by pushing on the bonnet. And
what of the hand print, and/or the dirt on your hand? The bonnet is balanced
so that a smart tug on the grille will close it firmly. Our friend Jeb has
another technique: he pulls up on the inner headlamp cowling. This works
well too.----- Original Message -----
From: “alan pettit” alanpettit@lineone.net
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:01 AM
Subject: [xj] (xj) RE: Bonnet closure.

: From: “Dr Gregory Andrachuk”
: > 4) it should be noted that Jaguar also has specific directions for
closing
: > the bonnet. Stand in front, grip the grille under the centre lip, and
: raise
: > it smartly
: -----------------------------
:
:
: A minor matter, but the hand-book for my Jaguar (XJ12 H.E. - 1986.)
: states:-
:
: “To close the bonnet, stand in front of car. Apply light pressure to the
: centre of the bonnet panel with one hand and with a rocking action pull on
: the centre of the radiator grill with the other.”
:
: This works for me---- but then I am an old ‘rocker’!!
:
: Best wishes,
:
: Alan.
:
:
:
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So scientific!

I just slam the thing. For you pedantic types, call it an “assisted drop.”
Slam the bonnet, shut the boot gently - that’s MY motto. Going around to
the grille is an unnecessary trip. With a bit of practice, you will soon
learn the exact amount of “assist” to provide for reliable latching.

As for hand prints, what about the hand print on the polished grille?
Slamming the bonnet from the side avoids all hand prints.

Just be careful that you haven’t left anything that protrudes UP if you use
the slam, er “assisted drop” method. That possibility IS a point in favor
of the otherwise sissy-looking grille pull approach if you’re the forgetful
type. Not that Gregory is forgetful, of course.

One ADVANTAGE of the “assisted drop” approach is that it looks as if you
are unconcerned about the whole affair - I would think Dwyer would select
it for that reason alone!
-Steve A.
'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C - been slamming for over 10 years now
'91 XJ40

PS: Even my 7 year-old is strong enough to use the “assisted drop” method,
though she’s too short to do it unless she climbs up a ladder which is not
recommended due to the possibility of falls.

PPS: I DO use the grille pull if I happen to be AT the grille when I finish
whatever I’m doing that required the bonnet to be opened.--------

Dr Gregory Andrachuk wrote:

Yes, Alan, you are correct. In other places they omit the mention of the
hand on the bonnet; it is unnecessary unless you are weak, in fact. The
strange thing is, if you are not strong enough (and it does not require any
real strength) to close the bonnet by pulling up at the grille, you are
unlikely to have a reach long enough to help by pushing on the bonnet. And
what of the hand print, and/or the dirt on your hand? The bonnet is balanced
so that a smart tug on the grille will close it firmly. Our friend Jeb has
another technique: he pulls up on the inner headlamp cowling. This works
well too.

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I must agree Steve. You’ve got guts coming out on this though! :]–
Alex
79xj6L SII (BRG + wires)
86xj6 SIII (Black)
61 Sprite MkII (Red)
Menlo Park, Calif.

Steve Averill wrote:

So scientific!

I just slam the thing. For you pedantic types, call it an “assisted drop.”
Slam the bonnet, shut the boot gently - that’s MY motto. Going around to
the grille is an unnecessary trip. With a bit of practice, you will soon
learn the exact amount of “assist” to provide for reliable latching.

As for hand prints, what about the hand print on the polished grille?
Slamming the bonnet from the side avoids all hand prints.

Just be careful that you haven’t left anything that protrudes UP if you use
the slam, er “assisted drop” method. That possibility IS a point in favor
of the otherwise sissy-looking grille pull approach if you’re the forgetful
type. Not that Gregory is forgetful, of course.

One ADVANTAGE of the “assisted drop” approach is that it looks as if you
are unconcerned about the whole affair - I would think Dwyer would select
it for that reason alone!
-Steve A.
'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C - been slamming for over 10 years now
'91 XJ40

PS: Even my 7 year-old is strong enough to use the “assisted drop” method,
though she’s too short to do it unless she climbs up a ladder which is not
recommended due to the possibility of falls.

PPS: I DO use the grille pull if I happen to be AT the grille when I finish
whatever I’m doing that required the bonnet to be opened.

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Even though I am privileged to have received personal tutoring from Dr A
regarding bonnet closing, I can assure all of no bias. :wink:

I am firmly aligned in the camp of Dr A on this issue. I must say that
Steve’s “assisted drop” methodology sounds more like a “get it moving, get
out of the way, and hope for the best” approach! :slight_smile:

On the other hand, the “grill lift” method allows one to remain in apparent
control throughout, and cannot be matched in its gracefulness of movement.
In fact, properly executed, it brings to mind the strength and fluidity of
the finest ballet dancer, or the most accomplished swordsman.

As for the potential hand print on the polished grill? Easily dispatched
with minor attention with the ever present polishing cloth.

Doug Ingram
Victoria BC
1987 Jaguar XJ6 VdP

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From: Steve Averill averill@earthlink.net
To: Dr Gregory Andrachuk V12-VDP@shaw.ca; alan pettit
alanpettit@lineone.net
Cc: jag-lovers xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [xj] (xj) RE: Bonnet closure.

So scientific!

I just slam the thing. For you pedantic types, call it an “assisted
drop.”

Slam the bonnet, shut the boot gently - that’s MY motto. Going around to
the grille is an unnecessary trip. With a bit of practice, you will soon
learn the exact amount of “assist” to provide for reliable latching.

As for hand prints, what about the hand print on the polished grille?
Slamming the bonnet from the side avoids all hand prints.

Just be careful that you haven’t left anything that protrudes UP if you
use
the slam, er “assisted drop” method. That possibility IS a point in
favor

of the otherwise sissy-looking grille pull approach if you’re the
forgetful
type. Not that Gregory is forgetful, of course.

One ADVANTAGE of the “assisted drop” approach is that it looks as if you
are unconcerned about the whole affair - I would think Dwyer would
select

it for that reason alone!
-Steve A.
'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C - been slamming for over 10 years now
'91 XJ40

PS: Even my 7 year-old is strong enough to use the “assisted drop”
method,

though she’s too short to do it unless she climbs up a ladder which is
not> > recommended due to the possibility of falls.

PPS: I DO use the grille pull if I happen to be AT the grille when I
finish
whatever I’m doing that required the bonnet to be opened.

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Doug Ingram wrote:

> As for the potential hand print on the polished grill? Easily > dispatched > with minor attention with the ever present polishing cloth. Unsnip

Finger acid on chrome is worse than on paint, Doug, and it seems
incongruous to lift something to make it drop. I stay with the book - in
this case :slight_smile:

Frank
xj6 85 Sov Europe>

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From: Steve Averill averill@earthlink.net
To: Dr Gregory Andrachuk V12-VDP@shaw.ca; alan pettit
alanpettit@lineone.net
Cc: jag-lovers xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [xj] (xj) RE: Bonnet closure.

So scientific!

I just slam the thing. For you pedantic types, call it an
“assisted
drop.”

Slam the bonnet, shut the boot gently - that’s MY motto. Going
around to

the grille is an unnecessary trip. With a bit of practice, you
will soon

learn the exact amount of “assist” to provide for reliable
latching.

As for hand prints, what about the hand print on the polished
grille?

Slamming the bonnet from the side avoids all hand prints.

Just be careful that you haven’t left anything that protrudes UP
if you
use

the slam, er “assisted drop” method. That possibility IS a point
in
favor

of the otherwise sissy-looking grille pull approach if you’re the
forgetful
type. Not that Gregory is forgetful, of course.

One ADVANTAGE of the “assisted drop” approach is that it looks as
if you

are unconcerned about the whole affair - I would think Dwyer would
select

it for that reason alone!
-Steve A.
'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C - been slamming for over 10 years now
'91 XJ40

PS: Even my 7 year-old is strong enough to use the “assisted drop”
method,

though she’s too short to do it unless she climbs up a ladder
which is
not

recommended due to the possibility of falls.

PPS: I DO use the grille pull if I happen to be AT the grille when
I
finish

whatever I’m doing that required the bonnet to be opened.

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One ADVANTAGE of the “assisted drop” approach is that it looks as if you
are unconcerned about the whole affair - I would think Dwyer would select
it for that reason alone!

Steve, Steve ! Be careful ! Let’s not confuse being nonchalant with being
irreverent. Two different things ! :slight_smile:

I’ll continue to use the Andrachuk method. To maintain the requisite Dwyer
aloofness, though, I never break my conversation or even stop puffing my
pipe when shutting the bonnet. Of course, gently leaning on the front fender
afterwards is the piece de resistance, reserved for special occasions.

I do enjoy inviting curious spectators to actually open up and (gasp,
horror) sit in my car. Last time I did that, the contestant next to me
looked on and his jaw swung open like the trap-door of a hangman’s gallows.
TeeHeeHee. What fun, eh ? There are many ways to enjoy a concours !

Cheers,
Doug----- Original Message -----
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Finger acid? Finger acid? Really, Frank, I don’t know where your hands have
been…:wink:

Doug>

Finger acid on chrome is worse than on paint, Doug, and it seems
incongruous to lift something to make it drop. I stay with the book - in
this case :slight_smile:

Frank
xj6 85 Sov Europe

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Alex,
I’m sure that the “grille jerk” approach has gained favor because the S3
cars aren’t built as solidly as the S2 beasts. The “assisted drop” approach
has worked well for long enough that it’s clearly more than “hope for the
best.”

The looks one gets from concours judges when they say it’s OK to close the
bonnet are priceless, despite the fact that the bonnet really isn’t
shutting any harder or less evenly than in the “grille jerk” method. In
actuality, the physics wind up being the same without the acid application
to the grille chrome due to the jerk.
-Steve A.
'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40

PS: Despite their public protestations to the contrary, I suspect that many
on the list, even S3 owners, are really closet bonnet slammers, I mean
assisted droppers. Anyone else care to come out into public during this
brief amnesty? Perhaps even Gregory or Doug?-----

Alex Cannara wrote:

I must agree Steve. You’ve got guts coming out on this though! :]

Alex
79xj6L SII (BRG + wires)
86xj6 SIII (Black)
61 Sprite MkII (Red)
Menlo Park, Calif.

Steve Averill wrote:

So scientific!

I just slam the thing. For you pedantic types, call it an “assisted drop.”
Slam the bonnet, shut the boot gently - that’s MY motto. Going around to
the grille is an unnecessary trip. With a bit of practice, you will soon
learn the exact amount of “assist” to provide for reliable latching.

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>PS: Despite their public protestations to the contrary, I suspect that many >on the list, even S3 owners, are really closet bonnet slammers, I mean >assisted droppers. Anyone else care to come out into public during this >brief amnesty? Perhaps even Gregory or Doug?

(with lots of crying and sobbing)
I admit it! I’m coming out, i’m an “assisted drop” junky!

Irving (1984 XJ6, been slammin err… assited dropping for awhile)_________________________________________________________________
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Steve, actually, I slam 'em both without noticing a difference! Also, if the
pins and clamps are properly greased, it only needs a delicate touch. Of
course you all knew I’d suggest greasing something. {:o]–
Alex
79xj6L SII (BRG + wires)
86xj6 SIII (Black)
61 Sprite MkII (Red)
Menlo Park, Calif.

Steve Averill wrote:

Alex,
I’m sure that the “grille jerk” approach has gained favor because the S3
cars aren’t built as solidly as the S2 beasts. The “assisted drop” approach
has worked well for long enough that it’s clearly more than “hope for the
best.”

The looks one gets from concours judges when they say it’s OK to close the
bonnet are priceless, despite the fact that the bonnet really isn’t
shutting any harder or less evenly than in the “grille jerk” method. In
actuality, the physics wind up being the same without the acid application
to the grille chrome due to the jerk.
-Steve A.
'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40

PS: Despite their public protestations to the contrary, I suspect that many
on the list, even S3 owners, are really closet bonnet slammers, I mean
assisted droppers. Anyone else care to come out into public during this
brief amnesty? Perhaps even Gregory or Doug?


Alex Cannara wrote:

I must agree Steve. You’ve got guts coming out on this though! :]

Alex
79xj6L SII (BRG + wires)
86xj6 SIII (Black)
61 Sprite MkII (Red)
Menlo Park, Calif.

Steve Averill wrote:

So scientific!

I just slam the thing. For you pedantic types, call it an “assisted drop.”
Slam the bonnet, shut the boot gently - that’s MY motto. Going around to
the grille is an unnecessary trip. With a bit of practice, you will soon
learn the exact amount of “assist” to provide for reliable latching.

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Got me thinking…

Maybe that’s what Leapers are for. An expendable part of the car to grab
onto to make sure that no sheet metal is bent while closing the hood…

g,d,r (Grin, Duck, RUN!)

Robin Green
78 XJ6----- Original Message -----
From: “Cannara” cannara@attglobal.net
Cc: “jag-lovers” xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: [xj] (xj) RE: Bonnet closure.

I must agree Steve. You’ve got guts coming out on this though! :]

Alex
79xj6L SII (BRG + wires)
86xj6 SIII (Black)
61 Sprite MkII (Red)
Menlo Park, Calif.

Steve Averill wrote:

So scientific!

I just slam the thing. For you pedantic types, call it an “assisted
drop.”

Slam the bonnet, shut the boot gently - that’s MY motto. Going around to
the grille is an unnecessary trip. With a bit of practice, you will soon
learn the exact amount of “assist” to provide for reliable latching.

SNIP!

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Doug Ingram wrote:

Finger acid? Finger acid? Really, Frank, I don’t know where your hands
have
been…:wink:

Doug

If we go on like this, Doug, somebody will probably tell us where to put
something…

Frank
xj6 85 Sov Europe>

Finger acid on chrome is worse than on paint, Doug, and it seems
incongruous to lift something to make it drop. I stay with the book

  • in

this case :slight_smile:

Frank
xj6 85 Sov Europe

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I am firmly aligned in the camp of Dr A on this issue. I must say that
Steve’s “assisted drop” methodology sounds more like a “get it moving, get
out of the way, and hope for the best” approach! :slight_smile:

As I had mentioned, I have a slight variation of Dr. A.s method where I use
the high beam eyebrows to close the bonnet. This gives me a good feel for
the way the bonnet closes.

I have had to adjust and tweak a few of these bonnets over the years and
almost without exception, I can say that it’s from ham-handed closings.

I would never just slam it.

My two cents,

JebFrom: “Doug Ingram”

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Too true, Frank, I shall say no more…

Doug> Doug Ingram wrote:

Finger acid? Finger acid? Really, Frank, I don’t know where your hands
have
been…:wink:

Doug

If we go on like this, Doug, somebody will probably tell us where to put
something…

Frank
xj6 85 Sov Europe

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I think we should just have closure on this topic…8-)…

J&L Autoworks wrote:> From: “Doug Ingram”

I am firmly aligned in the camp of Dr A on this issue. I must say that
Steve’s “assisted drop” methodology sounds more like a “get it moving, get
out of the way, and hope for the best” approach! :slight_smile:

As I had mentioned, I have a slight variation of Dr. A.s method where I use
the high beam eyebrows to close the bonnet. This gives me a good feel for
the way the bonnet closes.

I have had to adjust and tweak a few of these bonnets over the years and
almost without exception, I can say that it’s from ham-handed closings.

I would never just slam it.

My two cents,

Jeb

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In a message dated 11/15/01 9:08:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
aeb1barfo@yahoo.com writes:

I think we should just have closure on this topic.

There are a number of methods that closure on this topic can be firmly
enforced. How successful we are in shutting down the offenders, hinges on
where we jointly apply pressure. Don’t be hoodwinked into believing that this
is a simple task, it will be necessary to grill this into peoples minds that
we will not be discussing this subject again. We have a number of choices
available to us. We could take the passive method of raising our eyebrows to
illustrate our dismay, that this subject has again popped up, that would work
for some people. Alternatively we could apply pressure right up front, to
close them down immediately. However what may be the most affective is if we
assist each other to drop the word that this subject has conclusively, been
slammed shut.

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Ok Bob I surrender…LMAO…Im still
laughing…geez…Dan

Peddlarbob@aol.com wrote:> In a message dated 11/15/01 9:08:03 AM Pacific

Standard Time,
aeb1barfo@yahoo.com writes:

I think we should just have closure on this
topic.

There are a number of methods that closure on this
topic can be firmly
enforced. How successful we are in shutting down the
offenders, hinges on
where we jointly apply pressure. Don’t be hoodwinked
into believing that this
is a simple task, it will be necessary to grill this
into peoples minds that
we will not be discussing this subject again. We
have a number of choices
available to us. We could take the passive method of
raising our eyebrows to
illustrate our dismay, that this subject has again
popped up, that would work
for some people. Alternatively we could apply
pressure right up front, to
close them down immediately. However what may be the
most affective is if we
assist each other to drop the word that this subject
has conclusively, been
slammed shut.

Bob.

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However what may be the most affective is if we

assist each other to drop the word that this subject has conclusively,
been
slammed shut.

Okay…I’ll hold Bob…who wants to smack him?

I think that puns should be illegal on the list…8>)

Still groaning…

JebFrom: Peddlarbob@aol.com

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Well worded! You managed to give your method for closure on both the bonnet
and this topic. My hat’s off…
Irving (We don’t just have big hats here in Texas…)>From: Peddlarbob@aol.com

To: aeb1barfo@yahoo.com, jlautoworks@earthlink.net
CC: xj@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj] (xj) RE: Bonnet closure.
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 13:22:22 EST

In a message dated 11/15/01 9:08:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
aeb1barfo@yahoo.com writes:

I think we should just have closure on this topic.

There are a number of methods that closure on this topic can be firmly
enforced. How successful we are in shutting down the offenders, hinges on
where we jointly apply pressure. Don’t be hoodwinked into believing that
this
is a simple task, it will be necessary to grill this into peoples minds
that
we will not be discussing this subject again. We have a number of choices
available to us. We could take the passive method of raising our eyebrows
to
illustrate our dismay, that this subject has again popped up, that would
work
for some people. Alternatively we could apply pressure right up front, to
close them down immediately. However what may be the most affective is if
we
assist each other to drop the word that this subject has conclusively, been
slammed shut.

Bob.

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