[xj40] Good price for XJ6 sans Transmission

Alright guys,

I’m new to this forum. I’m looking at a 1990 XJ6 Mint
condition with 105,000 miles on it. It has no transmission.
What’s a decent price to give for this vehicle? I realize
a new trans will cost me $4500-5000 and a rebuilt between
$1000-1700(installed). I really want to get this car as my
foray into the Jaguar experience. Any opinions will help.
Thanks!

Benjamin–
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In reply to a message from c0nsilience sent Tue 30 Aug 2005:

the normal price range I have seen for cars like this that are in
good running order is from $2500 - $5000…do the math and keep
the cost of the tranny and the installation cost in mind…i would
also allow for ‘misc. costs’ that always seem to creep into a
project like this…–
Cliff - '93 XJ40 Sovereign (4.0L)
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In reply to a message from Cliff Archie sent Tue 30 Aug 2005:

Thanks for the input Cliff!–
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In reply to a message from c0nsilience sent Tue 30 Aug 2005:

I bought my 1989 XJ6 in running, driving order (with a few
problems) with 154k for $1100 with an excellent body and interior.
I don’t think I’d go over $2000 personally, knowing you’ll spend
another $2000 to get going. I’d target between $1300-1800.–
'89 XJ6 - getting an Chevrolet LT1 350
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Hi
To be honest I would say, very little.
What else is wrong with the car ?
You have no idea in reality until you have spent mega money on a gearbox,
whether it be new or used.
What if you then find the diff is US ?
If it was simply a case of swapping out the box, why does the seller not do
it himself and get a good price on the car ?
Realistically it can only be worth a maximum of
Potential Value - Cost of autobox and installation.
Even then I would expect to pay no more than 50% of that price due to the
unknown factors

Phil

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From: “c0nsilience” consilience@cox.net
To: xj40@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj40] Good price for XJ6 sans Transmission
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:17:43 +0200

In reply to a message from Cliff Archie sent Tue 30 Aug 2005:

Thanks for the input Cliff!

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If it was simply a case of swapping out the box, why does the seller not do
it himself and get a good price on the car ?

Call me suspicious but my mind runs along the same lines as Phil.

Cheers, Alan----- Original Message -----
From: “Phil Parrington” pp221158@hotmail.com
To: consilience@cox.net; xj40@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [xj40] Good price for XJ6 sans Transmission

Hi
To be honest I would say, very little.
What else is wrong with the car ?
You have no idea in reality until you have spent mega money on a gearbox,
whether it be new or used.
What if you then find the diff is US ?
If it was simply a case of swapping out the box, why does the seller not
do
it himself and get a good price on the car ?
Realistically it can only be worth a maximum of
Potential Value - Cost of autobox and installation.
Even then I would expect to pay no more than 50% of that price due to the
unknown factors

Phil

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From: “c0nsilience” consilience@cox.net
To: xj40@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj40] Good price for XJ6 sans Transmission
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:17:43 +0200

In reply to a message from Cliff Archie sent Tue 30 Aug 2005:

Thanks for the input Cliff!

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In reply to a message from c0nsilience sent Tue 30 Aug 2005:

The seller does have the transmission but he pulled it out
with the intent of rebuilding it. He said he drove the car
daily and began storing it a little over a month ago because
he
lost his forward gears(?). He told me the trans circuit
failure warning came on the dash, but he could still put the
car in reverse. Apparently, he had the intention of
repairing it, but doesn’t have the $$ to do so. Would it be
worth buying and having the original trans, that’s already
pulled, rebuilt? I think I can get the car from him for
$1000-1200. Any ideas?–
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Hi
The seller will tell you whatever you want to hear. He wants to sell the car
for as high a price as he can get.
He may well have been driving it on a daily basis, that does not mean the
diff was quiet, the engine didn’t misfire and the brakes worked etc etc.
I really could not put a price on it over in the USA but here in the UK it
would be worth scrap money only: �50

Phil

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From: “c0nsilience” consilience@cox.net
To: xj40@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj40] Good price for XJ6 sans Transmission
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:04:23 +0200

In reply to a message from c0nsilience sent Tue 30 Aug 2005:

The seller does have the transmission but he pulled it out
with the intent of rebuilding it. He said he drove the car
daily and began storing it a little over a month ago because
he
lost his forward gears(?). He told me the trans circuit
failure warning came on the dash, but he could still put the
car in reverse. Apparently, he had the intention of
repairing it, but doesn’t have the $$ to do so. Would it be
worth buying and having the original trans, that’s already
pulled, rebuilt? I think I can get the car from him for
$1000-1200. Any ideas?

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In reply to a message from c0nsilience sent Tue 30 Aug 2005:

MotorCars Ltd. is selling used 1990-1994 XJ6 transmissions for
$499.00 outright.

I would not pay more than $500-$1000.00 for an old dead car. You do
not know what else is ailing it and you will spend more money
fixing those troubles.

I bought a 1994 XJ6 that was dead on the road with a bad motor for
$600.00. I spent $500 more on a used motor and $500 again on other
items to make it a daily driver. It will need at least another $500
to make it perfect.

Offer $500, he’ll counter with $1000, settle at $750.–
The original message included these comments:

What’s a decent price to give for this vehicle? I realize
a new trans will cost me $4500-5000 and a rebuilt between
$1000-1700(installed). I really want to get this car as my
foray into the Jaguar experience. Any opinions will help.


Joe Bialy, ’ 87 XJ-S & '94 XJ-40
Grosse Ile, Michigan, United States
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In reply to a message from JaguarJoe sent Tue 30 Aug 2005:

prices must be very different between the U.K., the U.S., and where
I am in western Canada.

I recently completely stripped to the bare shell a really good
condition low mileage 94 XJ 4.0 Sovereign (about 72,000 miles) that
had been totalled, and have the entire drive train
(motor/transmission, rear suspension/differential/drive shaft,
complete front suspension, etc., etc.) all stacked up against the
back wall of the garage waiting to find a new home in a nice bodied
but mechanically worn out car. I paid $1,500.00 Canadian for a very
front end crash damaged car, air bags blown, frame bent, etc. and
felt I got a heck of a deal, given the general price of Jag parts
around here. I used what I needed for my bare frame 92 rebuild,
which more than paid for the parts car as far as I am concerned,
and I have enough left over to do major work on another car.

So far the ‘‘cheapest’’ 93/94 car I have found in my local
marketplace with a good body and interior but needing mechanical
work has been about $4,500.00 Canadian, so if you can get a decent
car needing a transmission for $1,000.00, looks like a steal to
me… I didn’t wind up with the $4,500.00 car, I offered
$2,750.00 which was rejected, the car then sold for more than that
to someone else.

If you pick up the car for around $1,000.00, then pick up a $500.00
used transmission, stick it back in yourself, and you have very
cheap Jaguar ownership. Swapping out the transmission is not hard
at home, just borrow or rent a proper transmission lift to simplify
your life, the Jag transmissions are heavy, but installation is
very straightforward.

Regards
Paul LeClair–
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MotorCars Ltd. is selling used 1990-1994 XJ6 transmissions for
$499.00 outright.
I would not pay more than $500-$1000.00 for an old dead car. You do
The original message included these comments:

What’s a decent price to give for this vehicle? I realize
a new trans will cost me $4500-5000 and a rebuilt between
$1000-1700(installed). I really want to get this car as my
foray into the Jaguar experience. Any opinions will help.


1992 Jaguar XJ 4.0 Sovereign
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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In reply to a message from c0nsilience sent Tue 30 Aug 2005:

Ok guys,

Has anyone procured a trans from Motocars Ltd.? If so, how
has the end result been. The seller agreed to $700.

Ben–
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In reply to a message from c0nsilience sent Wed 31 Aug 2005:

I buy a lot of parts from MCL and have always had good
transactions with them. They also host Jag forums. I know
they’ve been clearing out used trannys for about $400. I’d
imagine they are confident that the trannys are good. You
may get away for well under $2,000 total and have a nice car
OR as others have noted there could be any number of other
problems that won’t become apparent until you drive. Even
then, they might be worth fixing, especially if you do much
of your own work. Feelin’ lucky?–
John - '90 Majestic, '95 XJ-S 6.0 Conv., '74 BMW R90/6
Stamford, CT, United States
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In reply to a message from c0nsilience sent Wed 31 Aug 2005:

$700 is a good price. If its a disaster, you can always part it out
and get your $$ back.

The engine in my '94 came from MCL. It was every bit as nice as
promised and runs perfectly. Best of all, they made sure the engine
they sold me was from the same year as my dead one was so there
were absolutely no surprises popping it in.

They arranged the shipping and are great guys to work with.–
The original message included these comments:

Has anyone procured a trans from Motocars Ltd.? If so, how
has the end result been. The seller agreed to $700.


Joe Bialy, ’ 87 XJ-S & '94 XJ-40
Grosse Ile, Michigan, United States
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In reply to a message from laverda1200 sent Wed 31 Aug 2005:

Before I bought the engine alone, I was set to travel to
Pennsylvania and trailer home a rolling '94 that had been totalled
because of damage to the R/F fender and body. That was a $600 deal
which would have given me the entire running drivetrain, a nice
interior, and all the spares I’d ever need for the one I bought.–
The original message included these comments:

prices must be very different between the U.K., the U.S., and where
I am in western Canada.


Joe Bialy, ’ 87 XJ-S & '94 XJ-40
Grosse Ile, Michigan, United States
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Phil,
I agree with you 100%. Anyone buying a car that can not be driven can
expect to be buying a parts car. Otherwise the owner would have
replaced the transmission himself. No one is going to pay someone even
the lowest Kelly Bluebook price for a used car of that make and model
unless it runs, never mind deduct the cost of a tranny from that price
to arrive at a sale price. Its at best a parts car that you will have
to have shipped to you at a cost. That is all its worth, what you think
the parts can be sold for if you knew it was running [here the catch,
you never heard it run so what can you offer?].

I’d offer $300 so long as it did not cost more than $100 to get it
trucked to you and thats being charitable. Its a parts car and if you
need or can use a parts car, then buy it otherwise, look around for one
that is running so you can check it out. If its on ebay don’t waste
your time, I would not especially after having photos of my car pirated
off this site and used on ebay to sell someone else’s car of the same
year and model [supposedly]. There is very little assurance of what you
buy on ebay. I never go there and would never buy anything from them
unless it was the only place in the world that had what I wanted and
then it would only be after absolute assurance from the seller[ like
he/she gave me his youngest child as a hostage].

Frankly if the guy knows he has a good engine and differential he could
part that out for more than he could get for the car if it was running
in most cases for an older XJ6 XJ40. Maybe he is too lazy to fix the
car or thinks it would cost too much to fix it versus the resale [why
should you do so when he does not is my question] or he just picked it
up as a parts car at parts car price and seeks to roll it over at a
higher price from some sucker as many do on ebay. Remember there are
lots of people trying to make a living buying stuff on ebay and then
reselling it at a higher price on ebay.

Jay 90 VDP Majestic

Phil Parrington wrote:

Hi
The seller will tell you whatever you want to hear. He wants to sell
the car for as high a price as he can get.
He may well have been driving it on a daily basis, that does not mean
the diff was quiet, the engine didn’t misfire and the brakes worked
etc etc.
I really could not put a price on it over in the USA but here in the
UK it would be worth scrap money only: �50

Phil

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From: “c0nsilience” consilience@cox.net
To: xj40@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xj40] Good price for XJ6 sans Transmission
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:04:23 +0200

In reply to a message from c0nsilience sent Tue 30 Aug 2005:

The seller does have the transmission but he pulled it out
with the intent of rebuilding it. He said he drove the car
daily and began storing it a little over a month ago because
he
lost his forward gears(?). He told me the trans circuit
failure warning came on the dash, but he could still put the
car in reverse. Apparently, he had the intention of
repairing it, but doesn’t have the $$ to do so. Would it be
worth buying and having the original trans, that’s already
pulled, rebuilt? I think I can get the car from him for
$1000-1200. Any ideas?

1990 XJ6 Sovereign
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