[xj40] HOOD MASCOT AND THE LAW!

hi guys.

i ve been contemplating fitting the jaguar leaping cat hood
ornament to my car, as it dos nt have one.
however, and for the life of me, cant remember where, but i m sure
i read somewhere they were banned after a certain year.
i dont want to drill a hole/s in my bonnet, just to be told at some
point, the thing should nt be there!!

anyone got any ideas on this issue, or do I worry too much?
i d love one on really. looks nice!

all the best, mark.–
XJ40 1990 Sovereign 4.0 (RHD) UK
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In reply to a message from XJ40-MARK sent Mon 5 Oct 2009:

Hi,
It is illegal to fit the leaper mascot to your car.
I think there is a spring loaded type available that is
legal but I’m not certain.

The solid version was last fitted to the MK 2 in the late
sixties, and jaguar had to have some sort of special
permission for it even then.

I have read reports in the JEC mag of owners being refused
an MOT certificate because of a leaper mascot, and in one
case it was even on a MK 2 where it would have been a
factory fitment.–
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I ve been contemplating fitting the jaguar leaping cat hood
ornament to my car, as it dos nt have one.
I read somewhere they were banned after a certain year.


Casso - 1993 4.0 Sovereign.
Liverpool, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from Casso sent Mon 5 Oct 2009:

thanks casso.

had a feeling it was.
just wish I could remember where I read it was!!

i know this was a big issue some years back and alot of cars ended
up with the spring loaded ones. I think rolls royce were one of the
first to go that way.
yet i ve been looking at the XJ40 s listed on ebay tonight and
nearly all of them have the leaping cat on the hood, even the newer
ones above 1990 that mine is!

i suppose where the mot is concerned, it depends on the garage you
use and whether they give a monkeys or not.

must try and find where I saw that. bugging me now (lol)

thanks again–
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 It is illegal to fit the leaper mascot to your car.

Casso - 1993 4.0 Sovereign.
Liverpool, United Kingdom


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In reply to a message from Casso sent Mon 5 Oct 2009:

I always wondered why Jags in England didn’t have the
leaper. Here in the US, they are on every Jag (except for
the Xk, thank goodness because I’ve seen a few with one and
it looks like it’s got a giant booger.)–
1989 xj40
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In reply to a message from XJ40-MARK sent Mon 5 Oct 2009:

Actually, the Rolls ‘‘winged lady’’ ornament on current models is
very cleverly designed, w. an eye toward avoiding the likes of
vandals and thieves:

Whenever the ignition key is turned off, the lady, who is hinged
and, IIRC, spring-loaded at the base, drops down inside a small
storage hole in the bonnet, with a small metal plate door sliding
closed over her. Turning the key on slides the door open and she
pops back up into place. Pretty neat!–
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up with the spring loaded ones. I think rolls royce were one of the
first to go that way.


&:slight_smile: Paul '88 XJ6 VDP 138k (black), '96 XJ6 110K (black)
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In reply to a message from AttyDallas sent Tue 6 Oct 2009:

yes, neat little trick!
i was aware of it and just pointed out that they were one of the
first to go to the spring loaded lady.
i m disappointed to be honest at not being able to fit a cat to my
hood, completes and sets the car off.
mind you, I can see the safety side of it as well. wouldnt want one
of those sticking in my head either!–
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Whenever the ignition key is turned off, the lady, who is hinged
and, IIRC, spring-loaded at the base, drops down inside a small
storage hole in the bonnet, with a small metal plate door sliding
closed over her. Turning the key on slides the door open and she
pops back up into place. Pretty neat!
&:slight_smile: Paul '88 XJ6 VDP 138k (black), '96 XJ6 110K (black)
Garland, Texas, United States


XJ40 1990 Sovereign 4.0 (RHD) UK
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In reply to a message from XJ40-MARK sent Tue 6 Oct 2009:

What Jaguar should do is have one ‘‘leap’’ out of the hood
when the car is on just like Rolls.–
1989 xj40
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In reply to a message from Tophatchef sent Wed 7 Oct 2009:

lordy, maybee you could just mount a big 'ol pike tip on there. I
know here in the states . You can own a chinese sks army semi- auto
rifle no problem , but if it has a bayonnet is an assault rifle an
you cant have it. damn somebody might get hurt on that knife!–
Bad Bobby
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In reply to a message from Bad Bobby sent Wed 7 Oct 2009:

In the UK, this is the sort of trouble you can get in to
with a small boxer dog on the hood/bonnet. Just imagine if
those same cops caught you with a bloody great leaper
affixed …!

But it seems Colonel he may have been reprieved …

http://www.thisisdorset.co.uk/fosseway/news/Colonel-rides/article-1251558-detail/article.html--
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lordy, maybee you could just mount a big 'ol pike tip on there. I
know here in the states . You can own a chinese sks army semi- auto
rifle no problem , but if it has a bayonnet is an assault rifle an
you cant have it. damn somebody might get hurt on that knife!


Bryan N, '91 Sovereign 4.0 L, RHD
Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from Bryan N sent Thu 8 Oct 2009:

poor old raymond, bless him!
health and safety gone mad?
i can see the point to be honest. i d hate to be hit by a car and
survive the initial hit , only to be speared and killed by a
mascot sticking out the bonnet.

i m only confused by the fact that every jaguar I seem to see,
seems to have a leaping cat on it, so either no one cares, or
theres alot of jag owners driving round with points and empty
wallets.

interesting read brian, thanks–
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1204443/The-beloved-brass-dog-sat-car-bonnet-50-years--Elf-n-Safety-got-involved.html
But it seems Colonel he may have been reprieved …
http://www.thisisdorset.co.uk/fosseway/news/Colonel-rides/article-1251558-detail/article.html
Bryan N, '91 Sovereign 4.0 L, RHD
Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom


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In reply to a message from AttyDallas sent Tue 6 Oct 2009:

Hi all
I have had a leaper on all 5 xj40s that I owned over the last 6
years . My next door neighbour is a traffic cop and he has never
spoken to me that I need to remove my leaper. As we share a drive
he and is many colleages past by my jag every day . If I was
foolish enough to step out in front off a moving jag with a leaper
i think I would be more concerned with the two ton of metal coming
behind than the small 4 inch leaper wich is only held on by to
small screws.–
1990 sovereign 4lt s rhd
northamptonshire, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from Tophatchef sent Wed 7 Oct 2009:

Of course, here in Texas all our Jags have a big pair of longhorns
mounted on the bonnet … < eyeroll > &:-D)–
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What Jaguar should do is have one ‘‘leap’’ out of the hood
when the car is on just like Rolls.


&:slight_smile: Paul '88 XJ6 VDP 138k (black), '96 XJ6 110K (black)
Garland, Texas, United States
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In reply to a message from AttyDallas sent Fri 9 Oct 2009:

well, I hope i m never run over by you then (lol)

strange thing is, I would normally take no notice and just fit the
thing. as hanging was abolished in the uk some years back, i m
hardly going to die for it!
my concern is, that should I meet that one police officer one day,
who really enjoys his job, i d be left with a nice couple of holes
in my bonnet/hood!

at this point, I think descretion is the better part of valor and
will leave my bonnet in the nice condition its in … for a
while anyway (lol)–
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Of course, here in Texas all our Jags have a big pair of longhorns
mounted on the bonnet … < eyeroll > &:-D)
&:slight_smile: Paul '88 XJ6 VDP 138k (black), '96 XJ6 110K (black)
Garland, Texas, United States


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In reply to a message from XJ40-MARK sent Fri 9 Oct 2009:

hi,i’ve had my leaper on for about 6 years here and not one cop has
said anything.have been pulled up twice for licence check and have
gone over the car,check tyres etc.and nothing said.if your cops are
like ours,dont look a day over 18,i dont think they have a clue if
its illegal or not :)…–
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my concern is, that should I meet that one police officer one day,
who really enjoys his job, I d be left with a nice couple of holes
in my bonnet/hood!
at this point, I think descretion is the better part of valor and
will leave my bonnet in the nice condition its in … for a
while anyway (lol)


rob. 1988 daimler sovereign xj40 3.6
perth, Australia
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In reply to a message from XJ40-MARK sent Fri 9 Oct 2009:

The thing is, the police could probably care less about it.
If they pulled you for some other offence and started
getting pernickity then maybe they might pick up on it. The
crucial thing is the (UK) MOT test. It should fail if it has
a non-factory fitted mascot, period. Like speeding, getting
away with it doesn’t make it legal! :slight_smile:

Two further points:

  • they look ridiculous on newer Jags
  • they WILL get vandalised. Save yourself the time and cost
    of having to put right the damage by not bothering.–
    JagFab,1989MY JaguarSport XJR 3.6 (RHD)
    London, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from JagFab sent Sun 11 Oct 2009:

Since I got my Jag, I have been worried about getting the
Leaper pilfered from the hood, but it’s just bolted on so
well, I can’t imagine anyone going through the necessary
motions of working the leaper off the hood. I haven’t seen
many cars without leapers in the US (stolen), but if they
were stolen, it was from cars with the spring loaded type.
Yes, I’d kinda rather have a car without a leaper just to be
a bit different, but on the Xj40, I like the look of it.–
1989 xj40
Jupiter, Florida, United States
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In reply to a message from XJ40-MARK sent Mon 5 Oct 2009:

Hi Mark and everyone. After I bought my jag from the
breakers yard for �550 I bought a leaper mascot from eBay.
After I received it I phoned jaguar themselves regarding
it’s legality.

They told me that mascots were not legal from a certain date
(I cant remember when) as they were deemed to be dangerous.
What is more, they said, if you have one and get involved in
an accident your insurers will not pay up (regardless of who
was at fault) and in the event of an injury you will be
taken to the cleaners.

I was understandably very miffed as I really thought my jag
would look better with one on the bonnet. But I have since
studied the beautiful lines on my xj40 ever since I bought
this tribute to great british engineering heritage and do
you know what: I have come to the conclusion that they
actually are beginning to look a bit on the trite side. I
think my jag lookes better without it and would look a bit
funny with one.

The Merc circular ones are all spring loaded these days but
who cares about ugly mercs and macho white socks BMWs ?

Another thing I have noticed is that all cars are bcoming
‘blobs’ on 4 wheels. I imagine this is because of fuel
efficient aero-dynamics and also for safety isses: I read on
the net that cars are being designed these days to have as
little impact (in both senses of the word) to pedestrians
and other road users as possible. I think this means that
large companies just cannot afford to risk some sharp and
elegant lines in the design phase these days.

I have thought of making my chromed leaper into a bookend
but I have now decided to make it into a door knocker ! Will
post a photo in my album if I can.

Nice post thanks for starting that one off.

Kevin.–
50 and still a virgin !
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In reply to a message from jagjiver sent Wed 18 Nov 2009:

hi kevin.

its funny you mention the fact that they look funny on some of
the jags, because this has been something that I couldnt make my
mind up on either.
i dont know if this is going to sound strange to everyone, but i ve
come to the conclusion, that they seem to look ok on the x300 s
or quad fronted 40 s, but dont seem to look right on the large
square headlight jags, which is what I have!

any views on this?

anyway, because of this and the confusion regarding the law on
this, i ve descided against fitting one. i m not prepared to drill
two holes in my bonnet and one day meet that police officer or
M.O.T bloke, who loves his job too much!!!

i ve gone a different route for my mascot which i ll upload shortly.
i like it, most wont, but hey, my car (lol)

mark.–
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would look better with one on the bonnet. But I have since
studied the beautiful lines on my xj40 ever since I bought
this tribute to great british engineering heritage and do
you know what: I have come to the conclusion that they
actually are beginning to look a bit on the trite side. I
think my jag lookes better without it and would look a bit
funny with one.


XJ40 1990 Sovereign 4.0 (RHD) UK
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In reply to a message from jagjiver sent Wed 18 Nov 2009:

Well, don’t forget (and you may not be aware) that Jag did switch
to a spring-loaded (and therefore ‘‘safe’’) leaper with the X-300
models in 1995. I guess you could theoretically put one of these
on an XJ40 if you felt so inclined (aren’t they legal, even there?)

What I think MIGHT look better would be the small after-market
(4’’?) leapers, with a spring-load, as I think the ibgger leapers (6-
7’’?) on the X-300s is a bit ‘‘pretentious’’ … But nobody has
designed one yet that I know of …–
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They told me that mascots were not legal from a certain date
(I cant remember when) as they were deemed to be dangerous.
What is more, they said, if you have one and get involved in
an accident your insurers will not pay up (regardless of who
was at fault) and in the event of an injury you will be
taken to the cleaners.


&:slight_smile: Paul '88 XJ6 VDP 138k (black), '96 XJ6 110K (black)
Garland, Texas, United States
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In reply to a message from AttyDallas sent Wed 18 Nov 2009:

I’m just glad I live where I live and can choose to have or
not have my leaper.

I’d probably need to take someone to the woodshed if this
stuff comes across the pond. I seriously don’t understand.

''Health and safety snoops to enter family homes
Health and safety inspectors are to be given unprecedented
access to family homes to ensure that parents are protecting
their children from household accidents.

Council staff will then be tasked with overseeing the
installation of safety devices in homes, including smoke
alarms, stair gates, hot water temperature restrictors, oven
guards and window and door locks.

The draft guidance by a committee at the National Institute
for Health and Clinical Excellence (Nice) has been
criticised as intrusive and further evidence of the
�creeping nanny state�.’’

Don’t you also have something about power antenna’s and the
danger present by them?–
John 90 XJ40
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