[xj40] My XJ40's like driving a gocart.. all over the road? help!

I don’t know how else to best describe it. It’s actually kind
of scary. It darts and dives back and forth. It doesn’t
feel loose in bushings etc per say, but it will pop back and
forth… feels like I’m oversteering almost but in actuality it’s
darting around. The old old tires that were on it when I bought it
show some tire wear. Any chance this darting is from an allignment
problem or is there a common failure to explain my symptoms?

Your suggestions on where to troubleshoot and how to troubleshoot
are appreciated! It’s a small enough issue that I thought it was
me oversteering for a while, but after others have driven it they
are actually scared to drive it for fear it will spinout on them on
the freeway due to the darting and diving, ESPECIALLY with ruts in
the freeway they make it WAY more pronounced and scary!

Thanks for your guidance!

-Brendan–
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In reply to a message from brendan sent Fri 15 Apr 2005:

It’s a 1990 XJ6 since I didn’t mention that. Thanx! ~Brendan–
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In reply to a message from brendan sent Fri 15 Apr 2005:

Brendan,

Assuming that your car’s suspension is undamaged, its bushings,
front wheel bearings and dampers are in good shape and that nothing
is ‘loose’ at the back end causing ‘rear-wheel steering’, the
problem is undoubtedly front-end alignment.

You mention worn tyres - where / how worn?

If excessive wear on both inner shoulders of the front tyres,
suspect inadequate Toe-in. If that uneven wear is on the outside
shoulders, suspect too much Toe-in but you would need a full
alignment check in case someone has had a bang or been messing with
the shimming which controls the front caster. Another nasty thought
is if there is severe corrosion in the front crossmember which is
causing that to ‘fold’ inwards, causing excessive negative camber.

I’ve experienced two types of erratic steering on my car. With too
little Toe-in and a badly adjusted front wheel bearing, the car
would ‘camber chase’ violently so that I had difficulty keeping it
between the hedges. I wouldn’t describe that as ‘go-cart like’ but
I did get near to that type of steering when I overdid the Toe-in
trying to correct the first problem. I progressively increased the
Toe-in until the steering became very ‘twitchy’ - i.e the slightest
movement of the steering wheel and the car would change direction
very rapidly in the way which I think you are describing and it had
far too much oversteer on entering a corner.

I think the first thing you should do is check for wear in the
bushings and bearings, back and front, and then have the alignment
checked and corrected if necessary in accordance with the Jag spec
(not at your local tyre depot!)–
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I don’t know how else to best describe it. It’s actually kind
of scary. It darts and dives back and forth. It doesn’t
feel loose in bushings etc per say, but it will pop back and
forth… feels like I’m oversteering almost but in actuality it’s
darting around. The old old tires that were on it when I bought it
show some tire wear. Any chance this darting is from an allignment
problem or is there a common failure to explain my symptoms?


Bryan N, '91 Sovereign 4.0 L, (RHD)
Cambridge, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from brendan sent Fri 15 Apr 2005:

Check you steeing rack bushings for wear. Have someone turn the
steering wheel slightly while you watch the rack. It should not
move from side to side. If the bushings are bad it will move before
the wheels turn.
Jim Moore(88 XJ40)–
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I don’t know how else to best describe it. It’s actually kind
of scary. It darts and dives back and forth. It doesn’t
feel loose in bushings etc per say, but it will pop back and
forth… feels like I’m oversteering almost but in actuality it’s
darting around. The old old tires that were on it when I bought it


James Moore
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In reply to a message from brendan sent Fri 15 Apr 2005:

When you say the old tyres that were on the car, does that
mean you have very recently changed the tyres. In that case,
you may be experiencing ‘‘Tramlinning’’, the size and pattern
of the tyre cause it to follow ridges in the road.
Had a similar problem couple years back, bought a set of
second hand wheels which had some korean tyres fitted. First
drive was frightening. Changed the tyres for Pirelli P6000’s
and the problem was sorted.–
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darting around. The old old tires that were on it when I bought it
show some tire wear. Any chance this darting is from an allignment
problem or is there a common failure to explain my symptoms?


Nigel, 1993 XJS 4.0L Conv
Manchester, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from brendan sent Fri 15 Apr 2005:

Hi Brendan

my 92 developed a bit of ‘‘slop’’ in the steering wheel, made the car
unsafe to drive. Replaced the steering rack, still had the problem.
In the case of my car, it turned out to be the joint in the
steering column inside the car, just where the steeering column
shaft leaves the interior.

get a flash light and poke your head under the dash, turn the
steering wheel, If there is ‘‘play’’ in the joint my bet would be you
have found the problem.

I did a few posts on the issue last year, one of which was:

http://forums.jag-lovers.org/av.php?602527i27

I know there is a least one more thread on the same topic, debating
the nerits of welding the ‘‘loose’’ joint, which I did (to the horror
of various other concerned parties) but in such a way that the
safety collapsibility feature of the joint was preserved, and there
is at least one posting listing the Jag part numbers and then
prices for the replacement part if you go that way. Search the
archive.

Regards
Paul LeClair–
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I don’t know how else to best describe it. It’s actually kind
of scary. It darts and dives back and forth. It doesn’t
feel loose in bushings etc per say, but it will pop back and
forth… feels like I’m oversteering almost but in actuality it’s
are appreciated! It’s a small enough issue that I thought it was
me oversteering for a while, but after others have driven it they
are actually scared to drive it for fear it will spinout on them on
the freeway due to the darting and diving, ESPECIALLY with ruts in
the freeway they make it WAY more pronounced and scary!
-Brendan


laverda1200
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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