At 18:23 2006-06-08 +0200, AttyDallas wrote:
I was having dinner yesterday with my tech and we were talking
a.c. systems and conversions to the newer stuff … I asked him
what he thought about converting my cats to the R134a or whatever
it is that is out now. My tech’s response was, basically, NOT.
Translation: wait, soon I’ll have something more expensive to sell you.
I asked him why, and he said a new type of a.c. refigerant is coming
out next year, which I believe he said is called ‘‘1040’’, or
something like that.
I dunno the slated product name for it, but chances are he’s talking about
Honeywell’s new forumation they announced back in February this year.
All new cars will utilize this stuff, apparently.
That’s a bit forward-looking. In Europe for instance, R134a in new cars is
supposed to start being phased out starting in 2011. What it is supposed
to be replaced with hasn’t yet been determined.
He said he will be attending school in a few weeks to learn how it works.
The SAE has an automotive alternate refigerants symposium (which != school)
at the end of this month in Arizona.
BTW - one of the issues with electric and hybrid cars - while they’re
touted as more efficient, and the engine only needs to run when you’re
moving: what happens to the A/C compressor when you’re sitting at a standstill?
What is up with all this a.c. controversy??? We started off with
good ole freon way back when
Actually, we started out with good ole AMMONIA, and eventually made our way
to R12 Freon.
and I think have gone through 2 or 3 ‘‘upgraded’’ forms of car a.c.
refrigerants over the recent years,
Since R12 was nixxed? No, just R134a. There have been a lot of wannabe
refrigerant replacements, but they’re not employed by automakers - they’re
pitched a can at a time to suckers in the general public.
supposedly in the interests of enironmentalism. Are some of
the ‘‘powers that be’’ getting bribes/kickbacks to come up with this
stuff and make us use it or what???
Some conspiracy theorist argue that the original patent for the R12
formulation was set to expire, and to keep a lock on profits, DuPont (the
patent holder) needed to basically make R12 illegal to produce (so that
other companies wouldn’t be making it by the bucketload without paying
royalty fees to them), and then be standing there with a suitable (and
freshly patented) replacement.
There’s plenty of real conspiracies out there - I don’t think this is one
Of course, I do believe that the US EPA is subject to a lot of corruption,
and entirely too much politics. Look at the MBTE oxygenate crap foisted on
California - I think groundwater contamination is one of those things the
EPA should be trying to avoid, not promoting (and then not immediatley
banning the addition of MBTE to our fuel supply once they realized their
own laws were screwing things up).
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