For John Elmgreen and others:
Some more numbers for you, John.
I answered and advert in the local paper for some 120 parts and met a
fellow that had bought an abandoned storage locker and found some
interesting items for a 120 OTS. Numbers as follows:
Chas: 671275
Eng: W-3146-8
Body: F 3099
Trans JH6498
Rear axle: ENV 5151 JH 52109 1451(3.643:1)
California license # NTW789
While most of the parts were not that interesting, (save a continental
touring kit that is quite remarkable that I will discuss at a later date)
he had a great deal of history on the car from new to around 1973. Included
are several notebooks with correspondence from the factory and others and
record books delineating every bit of work done on the car for years. It
was a successful show car and photos of the mound of trophies were seen
(unfortunately he sold all the trophies to a junk shop before I got there).
The last owners name was Paul Borel, living in Hollywood Ca. The car was
originally delivered to Hornburg Jaguar in LA. Factory letters state that
it was dispatched 6-26-51. Original colour Pastel Green with suede green
interior and a sand coloured top. It was fitted with steel wheels.
Along with the documentation, there are several early photos of the car
and details of engine/chassis.
As stated, this car was a strong concour contender, which shows how much
judging criteria have changed over the years, as I can find many unoriginal
items in the photos and it seem to suffer from a bit of over tarting.
In closing, should anyone recognize these numbers, they should contact me
and I’ll arrange to have the documents made available to them from the
owner.
Regards
Bruce Baysinger
Bruce, Re thte 120 you came across: the name Paul Borel certainly means
something to some of us XK oldtimers - he used to write articles in the
early 70s for something called Jaguar Quarterly, an Eastern states
publication (?Bassetts?) particularly on XK originality. Terry McGrath
(Perth, WA, on this list) has tried to find him for years (without
success). He had a rare XK undertray set. Can you get us any more clues
as to his whereabouts? Thanks for the numbers, this is the way we will
build up a really worthwhile register, Incidentally, my secretary is back
from holidays now, so as time permits, some final touches will be put to
the register shortly. Regards, John Elmgreen
John:
I saw a picture of the undertrays among the literature. I’ll try to locate
him, although I imagine if he abandoned all his “jewelry” for the 120 in
the storage shed he may not be among us, if you will. The touring kit is a
lovely cabinet (cherry wood?) designed to fit behind the seats or in the
boot more likely due to the shape. It is a work of art, to my mind. I’ll
make some pictures and send some to you.
Regards
Bruce Baysinger----------
From: John Elmgreen 100353.1733@compuserve.com
To: INTERNET:xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [xk] 1950 120 OTS
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 3:16 PMBruce, Re thte 120 you came across: the name Paul Borel certainly means
something to some of us XK oldtimers - he used to write articles in the
early 70s for something called Jaguar Quarterly, an Eastern states
publication (?Bassetts?) particularly on XK originality. Terry McGrath
(Perth, WA, on this list) has tried to find him for years (without
success). He had a rare XK undertray set. Can you get us any more clues
as to his whereabouts? Thanks for the numbers, this is the way we will
build up a really worthwhile register, Incidentally, my secretary is
back
from holidays now, so as time permits, some final touches will be put to
the register shortly. Regards, John Elmgreen
Bruce, Interesting comments re Paul Borel. He would be a candidate for
the first serious originality researcher - he recorded quite a few
interesting snippets back in the days when our cars were 25-30 years
younger than today, and I will review the material for my book in due
course. Any sign of an old address for him? I wonder if Bassetts can help
- though I thought that Terry McGrath told me they had lost contact.
Regards, John Elmgreen
John:
On reviewing the two notebooks full of correspondence from Paul Borel to
many persons, corporations, and organizations, what I at first believed to
be a history of the car is just his fruitless attempts to trace ownership
from delivery at Hornburgs to the point that he had a known history (1956).
He had purchased the car in 1966 and his persistence and tenacity to fill
the time gap are not to be believed. He must have been an interesting
fellow. His oft repeated comment in these many letters was that absolute
originality was paramount to him, yet he had the car painted in white and
had a perforated green vinyl interior installed.
Does this touring kit ring a bell?
Regards
Bruce----------
From: John Elmgreen 100353.1733@compuserve.com
To: INTERNET:xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk] 1950 120 OTS
Date: Wednesday, April 15, 1998 8:29 PMBruce, Interesting comments re Paul Borel. He would be a candidate for
the first serious originality researcher - he recorded quite a few
interesting snippets back in the days when our cars were 25-30 years
younger than today, and I will review the material for my book in due
course. Any sign of an old address for him? I wonder if Bassetts can
help
- though I thought that Terry McGrath told me they had lost contact.
Regards, John Elmgreen
Hello Bruce,
its very interesting and im very happy to read that Story. Its unbelivable for me. Since 2016 i´m the Owner of the XK 120 671275 you write about. The Car is still in a very good Condition, shows some small signs of using, bit still a beauty. you wrote, you have some old Pictures and also Documentation from the Car!? It would be great, if we can get in touch.
Kindesr Regards
Raimond[date=2021-06-07 timezone=“Europe/Berlin”]
Bruce, it’s good to have the numbers of another ENV axle for my list. You have misread one of them: JHS 2109 (not JH 5219). Chassis #671275 is in fact, a June 1951 car, not 1950. The ENV numbers fit very well with a June 51 build date.
Chris
Chris
Interesting. I’m a jag guy and am an official Jag Lover, but have no idea of which you speak. Never I.Dd myself with the underline between the names. Is there another Bruce Baysinger on J/Ls?
BB
how odd…re Bruce…there it is…the underlign between.yet the banner of last post 12 months…a mystery here? was not that you Bruce earlier in the thread? Nick
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Meg
Uh, neg.
It may be an automatic feature of this forum to connect to old user names or something.
So Bruce, are you not the Bruce Baysinger who was on this forum in 1998?
Another interesting point. Short messages are not allowed. Pontification is not only encouraged but mandated. Geez. Big brother lives. So, wasn’t me.
BB
“uh neg” was not allowed just now in an attempt, not alone, not with a quote…Nick
Toto…I don’t think we are in Kansas anymore…
Hi Chris:If you figure it out, let me know. I don’t need any doppelgängers running my credit card bills up😀
Bruce, I was replying to a post, supposedly from you, that popped up on this site today. I thought it was current, but now I look again, I see you posted it in 1998!!! I don’t know how or why this would happen… It is hard to equate what you posted about finding a number of parts back then for 671275 with what Raimond posted in reply, which suggests that the car has been in good condition all along - I don’t understand it, either… Anyway, I was glad to get the ENV numbers!
Chris
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Bruce_Baysinger:
For John Elmgreen and others:
Some more numbers for you, John.
I answered and advert in the local paper for some 120 parts and met a
fellow that had bought an abandoned storage locker and found some
interesting items for a 120 OTS. Numbers as follows:
Chas: 671275
Eng: W-3146-8
Body: F 3099
Trans JH6498
Rear axle: ENV 5151 JH 52109 1451(3.643:1)
California license # NTW789Bruce, I was replying to a post, supposedly from you, that popped up on this site today. I thought it was current, but now I look again, I see you posted it in 1998!!! I don’t know how or why this would happen… It is hard to equate what you posted about finding a number of parts back then for 671275 with what Raimond posted in reply, which suggests that the car has been in good condition all along - I don’t understand it, either… Anyway, I was glad to get the ENV numbers!
Chris
Oh yeah that was me. Just 23 years late. Under minimum word count again
Hi John.
BB