[xk] '51 XK120 $6500

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I think the below translates as “I’ve got an XK120 for sale”----- Original Message ----- >
From: “trey cebula” tcebula@hotmail.com

To: XK@jag-lovers.org
Subject: 1951 xk 120 $6500
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:29:02

I have decided this vehicle is too rich for my blood. Thanks to several
helpful members on xj site it appears that I do not have the capital,
enthusiasm or desire to restore it for myself. I will happily broker this
car or work on a finder’s fee. Read the previous posts on the xj site. I
have posted 6 photos and description (click shoebox) at the following
location:

http://communities.msn.com/1951xk120

if you prefer to collect this car yourself, the price may be negotiable.
I am located in north Florida.

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Me thinks his price is a wee bit high-Cheers, Rex

John Littler wrote:> I think the below translates as “I’ve got an XK120 for sale”

----- Original Message ----- >
From: “trey cebula” tcebula@hotmail.com

To: XK@jag-lovers.org
Subject: 1951 xk 120 $6500
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 15:29:02

I have decided this vehicle is too rich for my blood. Thanks to several
helpful members on xj site it appears that I do not have the capital,
enthusiasm or desire to restore it for myself. I will happily broker this
car or work on a finder’s fee. Read the previous posts on the xj site. I
have posted 6 photos and description (click shoebox) at the following
location:

http://communities.msn.com/1951xk120

if you prefer to collect this car yourself, the price may be negotiable.
I am located in north Florida.

Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Don’t you love that grille?? And the pushed in headlights??
I wonder if this car bays at the full moon??
Charles #677556-----Original Message-----
From: rex n la brie

Me thinks his price is a wee bit high-Cheers, Rex

John Littler wrote:

I think the below translates as “I’ve got an XK120 for sale”

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Guys,

This might me my chance! What do you think, is it really that bad?
What’s with the pushed headlights? I can’t see the difference… How low
could this get? Should I …?

Zoltan

Don’t you love that grille?? And the pushed in headlights??
I wonder if this car bays at the full moon??
Charles #677556
From: rex n la brie

Me thinks his price is a wee bit high-Cheers, Rex
John Littler wrote:

I think the below translates as “I’ve got an XK120 for sale”
http://content.communities.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=get_album&ID_C
ommunity=1951xk120&ID_Topic=1

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Zoltan;
The “pushed-in” headlights are a result of someone pushing the car
with a heavy hand placed on the headlamp bulb… not a bright idea… The
result is one or more of the three “U” shaped brass tabs that “locate” and
hold each sealed beam bulb are bent back giving the headlight the “recessed”
look… not a major repair at all… just indicitive of previous care…
The “ad” also said this 120 was an “all aluminum car with steel
fenders” leading one to believe it might be an alloy OTS… I doubt that it
is… ALL “post alloy” 120,s are steel cars with aluminum doors, bonnet and
boot lids.
I’m no price expert and do not answer questions about “values” as
it tends to piss people off, but given the looks of the 120, it’s apparent
condition and missing/incorrect parts, I’d say the $6500USD is way too high.
Others are better qualified to render a closer “value” to this 120.
You can figure at least $20-30K to restore the 120 to a near
show-quality driver if you do most of it yourself.
Charles #677556-----Original Message-----
From: Zolt�n B�res darksider@ROXY.HU
To: ‘xk@jag-lovers.org’ xk@jag-lovers.org
Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: [xk] '51 XK120 $6500

Guys,

This might me my chance! What do you think, is it really that bad?
What’s with the pushed headlights? I can’t see the difference… How low
could this get? Should I …?

Zoltan

Don’t you love that grille?? And the pushed in headlights??
I wonder if this car bays at the full moon??
Charles #677556
From: rex n la brie

Me thinks his price is a wee bit high-Cheers, Rex
John Littler wrote:

I think the below translates as “I’ve got an XK120 for sale”
http://content.communities.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=get_album&ID_C
ommunity=1951xk120&ID_Topic=1

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Zoltan
Go for it, Z!! That body looks a lot better than the one on my 150 OTS after
the DPO had practice the art of brazing.On a related subject, are the rear wings the same on a FHC and a OTS XK150? Jerry Oliver Olympia, WA Original Message ----- From: “Zolt�n B�res” darksider@ROXY.HU To: xk@jag-lovers.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [xk] '51 XK120 $6500 Guys, This might me my chance! What do you think, is it really that bad? What’s with the pushed headlights? I can’t see the difference… How low could this get? Should I …? Zoltan Don’t you love that grille?? And the pushed in headlights?? I wonder if this car bays at the full moon?? Charles #677556 From: rex n la brie Me thinks his price is a wee bit high-Cheers, Rex John Littler wrote:

I think the below translates as “I’ve got an XK120 for sale”
http://content.communities.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=get_album&ID_C
ommunity=1951xk120&ID_Topic=1

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Jerry, Looked it up in jag parts catalog when concidering DHC/FHC/DHC
controversy, Yes, they have the same parts number.-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xk@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xk@jag-lovers.org]On Behalf
Of Jerry Oliver
Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 2:19 PM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk] '51 XK120 $6500

Zoltan
Go for it, Z!! That body looks a lot better than the one on my 150 OTS after
the DPO had practice the art of brazing.
On a related subject, are the rear wings the same on a FHC and a OTS XK150? Jerry Oliver Olympia, WA Original Message ----- From: “Zolt�n B�res” darksider@ROXY.HU To: xk@jag-lovers.org Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:02 AM Subject: RE: [xk] '51 XK120 $6500 Guys, This might me my chance! What do you think, is it really that bad? What’s with the pushed headlights? I can’t see the difference… How low could this get? Should I …? Zoltan Don’t you love that grille?? And the pushed in headlights?? I wonder if this car bays at the full moon?? Charles #677556 From: rex n la brie Me thinks his price is a wee bit high-Cheers, Rex John Littler wrote:

I think the below translates as “I’ve got an XK120 for sale”
http://content.communities.msn.com/isapi/fetch.dll?action=get_album&ID_C
ommunity=1951xk120&ID_Topic=1

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Zoltan,
I paid more than that for my XK150, and it didn’t even have an engine and
gearbox. I still think it was a good deal.
Check with Hemmings to see what the asking prices are standing at, maybe
make a few calls to see if anyone is actually GETTING the asked-for price,
and then make a decision.

From recent correspondence, many of the Listers got their cars for a few
hundred dollars, but believe me, those days are long gone!
Grilles are easy to obtain, body panels are very expensive, and difficult to
fit. Ask if the doors line up. A new interior costs about $3,500. If you
can’t do the work yourself, you will be hard pressed to get your money back
if you have to pay a restoration shop - there are many that have had $70,000
invested and are selling for $40,000.
Good luck,
Chris Cowland.

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<there are many that have had $70,000
invested and are selling for $40,000>.

Spot on Chris. I had a look at a beautiful '67 Mustang roadster last night
that had had $120K AUD spent on it. It sold fairly recently for $70K AUD and
it is going up for auction again in the very near future. He/she will be
lucky to get $40K AUD. Doesn’t make a lot of sense.

Regards
Len Brighton
150fhc S824101BW
North Dandenong
Victoria Australia 3175
(20 miles south east of Melbourne)

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Zoltan, Fellows,

The price might sound a bit high but it seems most of it is there! (If
only I had room and it were closer)

I certainly would try to negotiate a price (steal it) for spares for my
Roadster. BTW the basic condition of this car (from the photos) is
better than what I started with on the DHC…

The grill frame seems intact and although the headlamp “trim ring” is
missing on the one side I wouldnt be concerned with the pushed in lamp.
The lamps were only held to the “aiming ring” with 3 brass clips that
were rather soft. Pushing the car by exerting force on the lamps would
surely bend these in, causing the lamp to be floppy…If the owner
acquired it for a resto he may also have a pile of other stuff that might
defray the impact of the initial cost. If the engine is “free” you
might be able to turn iit into a “daily” or club car with minimal
investment… What better way to have a Jag club, than to have a 120 to
practice on. If it never became visually attractive, it would be at
least drivable in some form of vintage race or gymkana…Personally, I’d
love to be part of that!!!

Regards,

Rick,
677342-DHC
673190-Roadster
Somerville NJ USofA

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Gentlemen,

I now officially back off of this car, as I’ve just driven the 120 DHC
(which is being restored here, as I mentioned). In case you didn’t know
:slight_smile: a person over 6 feet can’t fit into a 120. And the size 12 feet
don’t make it much easier…

Also, as it turned out, I misunderstood John Littler’s mail (the
forwarded one from Trey Cebula), and Trey does not seem to be the seller
of this car, rather someone who found it to sell it at a higher price
(or for commission). So the $6500 might even have been a guess, as Trey
mentioned $10000 for me.

Good luck, if you decide to put your hands on it!

As for me, I have to ‘settle’ for a 140. Ohh… what a compromise… :slight_smile:

Zoltan> The price might sound a bit high but it seems most of it is there!

(If
only I had room and it were closer)

I certainly would try to negotiate a price (steal it) for spares for
my
Roadster. BTW the basic condition of this car (from the photos) is
better than what I started with on the DHC…

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Zoltan,

I’m 6’2" and drive a 120. One of the important measurements is your inseam.
I have a 34" inseam. One more inch in the inseam, and you wouldn’t fit. Do
this. Take another sit in that 120, but this time take the seat bottom out
and sit on the floor. Your butt will be uncomfortable, but see how
everything else fits. If it does, you can do what I did.

In my 120, space was limited for my right leg, between the steering wheel
and the center dash. My eyes were aligned with the top windscreen frame.
What I did was to replaced the rather dense seat bottom foam with standard
mushy cushion foam like you’d find in a fabric store. That dropped me down
at least three inches, maybe an inch off the floor. Now my line of sight is
between the wheel and the top of the windscreen, and my right leg is
comfortable next to the wheel. I can drive it for hours.

So don’t give up quite yet.

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson
1952 XK120 Rdstr (w/ XK140 C head) S673129
1958 Mark 1 / 1984 XJ6 / 1985 VDP / 1986 VDP
Jaguar Club of Central Arizona (Internet Service Provider, TV & Phone | Sparklight)-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xk@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xk@jag-lovers.org]On Behalf
Of Zolt�n B�res
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:32 AM
To: ‘xk@jag-lovers.org’
Subject: RE: [xk] '51 XK120 $6500

Gentlemen,

I now officially back off of this car, as I’ve just driven the 120 DHC
(which is being restored here, as I mentioned). In case you didn’t know
:slight_smile: a person over 6 feet can’t fit into a 120. And the size 12 feet
don’t make it much easier…

Also, as it turned out, I misunderstood John Littler’s mail (the
forwarded one from Trey Cebula), and Trey does not seem to be the seller
of this car, rather someone who found it to sell it at a higher price
(or for commission). So the $6500 might even have been a guess, as Trey
mentioned $10000 for me.

Good luck, if you decide to put your hands on it!

As for me, I have to ‘settle’ for a 140. Ohh… what a compromise… :slight_smile:

Zoltan

The price might sound a bit high but it seems most of it is there!
(If
only I had room and it were closer)

I certainly would try to negotiate a price (steal it) for spares for
my
Roadster. BTW the basic condition of this car (from the photos) is
better than what I started with on the DHC…

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The (optional) competition bucket seats will give much more room for tall
drivers. The cushions on these seats can be further cut down. There was a
smaller steering wheel available, which increases leg clearance. Much has
previously been written about these wheels that is in the archives.

If all else fails the XK-140 has more leg room as the scuttle was moved
forward.

Best regards, Christian Hueber----- Original Message -----
From: “Mark Stephenson” marks@trnpa.com
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 3:24 AM
Subject: RE: [xk] '51 XK120 $6500

Zoltan,

I’m 6’2" and drive a 120. One of the important measurements is your
inseam.
I have a 34" inseam. One more inch in the inseam, and you wouldn’t fit. Do
this. Take another sit in that 120, but this time take the seat bottom out
and sit on the floor. Your butt will be uncomfortable, but see how
everything else fits. If it does, you can do what I did.

In my 120, space was limited for my right leg, between the steering wheel
and the center dash. My eyes were aligned with the top windscreen frame.
What I did was to replaced the rather dense seat bottom foam with standard
mushy cushion foam like you’d find in a fabric store. That dropped me down
at least three inches, maybe an inch off the floor. Now my line of sight
is
between the wheel and the top of the windscreen, and my right leg is
comfortable next to the wheel. I can drive it for hours.

So don’t give up quite yet.

“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson
1952 XK120 Rdstr (w/ XK140 C head) S673129
1958 Mark 1 / 1984 XJ6 / 1985 VDP / 1986 VDP
Jaguar Club of Central Arizona (Internet Service Provider, TV & Phone | Sparklight)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xk@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xk@jag-lovers.org]On Behalf
Of Zolt�n B�res
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 9:32 AM
To: ‘xk@jag-lovers.org’
Subject: RE: [xk] '51 XK120 $6500

Gentlemen,

I now officially back off of this car, as I’ve just driven the 120 DHC
(which is being restored here, as I mentioned). In case you didn’t know
:slight_smile: a person over 6 feet can’t fit into a 120. And the size 12 feet
don’t make it much easier…

Also, as it turned out, I misunderstood John Littler’s mail (the
forwarded one from Trey Cebula), and Trey does not seem to be the seller
of this car, rather someone who found it to sell it at a higher price
(or for commission). So the $6500 might even have been a guess, as Trey
mentioned $10000 for me.

Good luck, if you decide to put your hands on it!

As for me, I have to ‘settle’ for a 140. Ohh… what a compromise… :slight_smile:

Zoltan

The price might sound a bit high but it seems most of it is there!
(If
only I had room and it were closer)

I certainly would try to negotiate a price (steal it) for spares for
my
Roadster. BTW the basic condition of this car (from the photos) is
better than what I started with on the DHC…