A quick question:
is this exhaust correct for xk120 with dual exhaust?
ebay item: 350915006462
or http://tinyurl.com/k3uocjo
??
I am looking for exhaust system that would be from aluminized
steel, not stainless.
Tadek–
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In reply to a message from ysmalkie sent Fri 1 Nov 2013:
Every XK120 system I have seen has a single inlet pipe in
the front of the muffler. This will probably fit, but you
could not have the front pipe through the frame as it should
be.–
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is this exhaust correct for xk120 with dual exhaust?
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My understanding has been that the dual exhaust available from the
factory was similar to the C-Type system which had 2 separate
straight-through pipes front to back like the one that Bassett’s sells
for the 120 that I have on our car. The two pipes into the silencer go
under the frame rather than through the hole and, with proper chassis
height, have plenty of clearance above the road.
The sound of a system with only one pipe to the silencer can not produce
the beautiful sound of the complete double path with identical lengths.
Bills system is mild steel pipes and stainless silencer. Stainless for
the silencer does not change the sound (as it does in the pipes) and it
is a good idea because that’s where moisture is likely to accumulate and
the thin walls are more likely to rust through from the inside. Aluminum
on the steel pipes will not be a benefit unless you drive short times
and to not dry out the pipes before shutting it down or do a lot of your
driving in the rain and put it away wet.
I polish the tail pipes at the rear regularly with emery cloth strips
and scotchbrite pads to keep them looking almost like chrome - probably
better looking than aluminized steel.
I recommend you check will Bill before you commit.
Bruce COn 11/1/2013 12:52 PM, sk99 wrote:
In reply to a message from ysmalkie sent Fri 1 Nov 2013:
Every XK120 system I have seen has a single inlet pipe in
the front of the muffler. This will probably fit, but you
could not have the front pipe through the frame as it should
be.The original message included these comments:
is this exhaust correct for xk120 with dual exhaust?
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Bruce Cunningham
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In reply to a message from sk99 sent Fri 1 Nov 2013:
As near as I can say from the picture, that is the correct
system for XK120 Special Equipment dual exhaust, where the
pipes go UNDER the frame, not through the hole as with the
single system. The reference books will sometimes refer to
this twin system as the Burgess system since the muffler was
originally made by Burgess.
It will be fine for 120 OTS, but I tried it on my FHC and it
was too loud for me, like riding in a tympani. I suspect
this was the reason that Jaguar themselves went back to the
single system on FHC SE’s.–
XK120 FHC, Mark V saloon, XJ12L Series II, S-Type 3.0
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but the original tail pipes were painted black steel not polished!–
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I polish the tail pipes at the rear regularly with emery cloth strips
and scotchbrite pads to keep them looking almost like chrome - probably
better looking than aluminized steel.
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godfrey
pender island bc, Canada
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Don’t know about XK120, but the last 10-12" of both XK140 tail-pipes were
CHROMIUM PLATED, the rest of the mild-steel system being painted BLACK that
burnt off very quickly, but modern heat proof paints can maintain the black
finish.
Roger Payne - XK140MC OTS; E-Type 4.2 S.1 OTS; DSV8.
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Sent: Saturday, 2 November 2013 8:56 AM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk] Dual Exhaust for Xk120
In reply to a message from Bruce Cunningham sent Fri 1 Nov 2013:
The original message included these comments:
I polish the tail pipes at the rear regularly with emery cloth strips
and scotchbrite pads to keep them looking almost like chrome - probably
better looking than aluminized steel.
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godfrey
pender island bc, Canada
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I think if I still had the standard single exhaust on our 120, I would
probably not keep the mild steel tail pipe clean and shiny. The cool
sound and looks of the twin pipes was just begging for the extra
attention :-)On 11/1/2013 5:56 PM, godfrey wrote:
In reply to a message from Bruce Cunningham sent Fri 1 Nov 2013:
but the original tail pipes were painted black steel not polished!
The original message included these comments:
I polish the tail pipes at the rear regularly with emery cloth strips
and scotchbrite pads to keep them looking almost like chrome - probably
better looking than aluminized steel.
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godfrey
pender island bc, Canada
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Bruce Cunningham
slainte mhath
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It would be incorrect since the Burgess muffler inlets were
four bolt flanged, correct? The question I have is: Has
anyone actually used this manufacturer’s system and if
so,what were the results? $300 is pretty cheap.–
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sound and looks of the twin pipes was just begging for the extra
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etype38
Cohasset, MA, United States
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In reply to a message from Roger Payne sent Fri 1 Nov 2013:
Hi All:
One of the many things wrong with my 1953 XK120 DHC when I
purchased it in 1963 was that the tailpipe was missing and
the silencer was shot. One of the first things I did, after
getting the brakes functional(!), was to purchase a new
silencer and tailpipe from the local authorized factory
dealer in Hamilton, Southam Motors. Sometime after
installing these parts I noticed that the last foot or so of
the tailpipe was covered in a protective wrap. Upon
removing this I discovered that the pipe underneath was
chrome plated. Thus I would confirm Roger’s observation
with respect to the XK140 that the XK120 also came with a
chrome plated tip to the tailpipe.
Best regards,
Chris.–
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Don’t know about XK120, but the last 10-12’’ of both XK140 tail-pipes were
CHROMIUM PLATED, the rest of the mild-steel system being painted BLACK that
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CP120
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In reply to a message from CP120 sent Sun 3 Nov 2013:
I actually purchased and fitted an original twin pipe
Burgess system which I found here in the UK, originally
mounted on the seller’s father xk120 but taken off after a
few hundred miles as it was deemed to be too loud. It was
definitely painted black throughout and we have put it back
that way. My mechanic, who has been around a few decades,
remembered the Burgess systems coming in either black or
silver painted but not with chrome tips.
Pascal–
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chrome plated. Thus I would confirm Roger’s observation
with respect to the XK140 that the XK120 also came with a
chrome plated tip to the tailpipe.
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Pascal A. J. Maeter
London, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from CP120 sent Sun 3 Nov 2013:
The 120- dual exhaust tail pipes were never chromed always black,
unless it burnt off–
John Gerhard
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In reply to a message from John Gerhard sent Sun 3 Nov 2013:
Hi John:
My car came with, and still has, a single system, thus when I
replaced the original missing tailpipe with a factory
replacement it had a chrome tip. I recognize that the thread
is regarding dual systems, just observing that the factory
clearly chromed the tips on single pipe DHCs.
Regards,
Chris.–
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The 120- dual exhaust tail pipes were never chromed always black,
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CP120
Ancaster, Ontario, Canada
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when did you purchase your replacement system?–
godfrey
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In reply to a message from godfrey sent Sun 3 Nov 2013:
Hi Godfrey:
August 20th, 1963. The total price for one C5766 (Muffler) and
one C5767 (Pipe) was $44.15, but I got a discount 'cos I worked
at a service station so it was $35.32! I spend more than that
today for an oil change.
Regards,
Chris.–
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when did you purchase your replacement system?
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CP120
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In reply to a message from CP120 sent Mon 4 Nov 2013:
Yes I believe most original single pipe exhaust pipes were chrome
plated at the end about 6-8 inches.–
John Gerhard
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In reply to a message from CP120 sent Mon 4 Nov 2013:
Interesting… I have the original twin pipes on my 120… at least
the tail pipes… which admittedly were purchased in the 1970s but I
think maybe you have a few years on me here 
… the set I aquired
then were NOS from a now defunct dealer…but did have the original
Jaguar parts label still stuck to them albeit in rather ratty
condition. These pipes are all steel without the chrome tips and
are much longer than the pipes one generally sees today… I have to
be careful not to chip my ankles when I go a bit too quickly behind
the car… They are a pair… fit perfectly…look correct… and are
all black paint. Don’t know when they were made but the label was
certainly consistent with the labels I have subsequently seen as
being from the 1950s…I wonder if the pipes that were produced
later were changed to meet the demands of the market? Open to
discussion best wishes G–
godfrey
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In reply to a message from ysmalkie sent Fri 1 Nov 2013:
So, I gather the exhaust system is not quite correct…
Anyone knows where one can buy exhaust system in UK or Europe
for XK120 dual pipe that’s not stainless? I am not a fan of
stainless steel sound…
Also one that looks and sounds correct 
Tadek–
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Tadek,
A few years back Mike Tillman of Jagparts commissioned a run of mild steel
exhausts. They sold out very quickly. I bought one which is now on my 140.
Mike got out of the Jaguar parts business and I have tried to contact him on
a couple of occasions since without success. I wanted to know who made them
for him because I hoped that whoever it was might be willing to do a run for
E Types which I think would sell equally quickly. Mike told me that he had
to have a hundred systems made. At the time I was prepared to fund and store
that sort of quantity and I suppose I still would be.
I also spoke to Julian Barratt about the same idea and he was quite
interested but ran into some issues with his supplier and the project went
into abeyance.
If anyone reading this can give me a firm lead to a EUROPEAN manufacturer I
might pick the plan up again. However, before there is a rush of suggestions
about Bell, Falcon etc. I already know that it is a waste of time trying to
interest the manufacturers of the stainless systems. They don’t want to
know.
Eric
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ysmalkie
Sent: 05 November 2013 09:52
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk] Dual Exhaust for Xk120
In reply to a message from ysmalkie sent Fri 1 Nov 2013:
So, I gather the exhaust system is not quite correct…
Anyone knows where one can buy exhaust system in UK or Europe for XK120 dual
pipe that’s not stainless? I am not a fan of stainless steel sound…
Tadekysmalkie
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In reply to a message from Eric Capron sent Tue 5 Nov 2013:
It seems to me the presence of a large number of exhaust systems
with chrome tips may well be explained by thinking back to the time
when these cars needed their first replacements. The rage back in
those days were Abarth replacement exhaust systems for many of the
popular sports cars of that era. I suspect Abarth sold a lions
share of replacement exhaust systems in the day. Abarth advertised
widely in the sports car magazines, and touted improved
performance, but one distinct thing about their systems was that
they were black painted but had a chrome section about the last
foot of the tail pipes. Someone subsequently buying the car might
well mistake this configuration for original and not be aware that
the system had been replaced post facto ry.
Karl
Karl–
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We did have Arbarth in the late 50s & 60s in the UK but Peco was the
aftermarket exhaust of choice. Straight through silencer painted hammer
finish metallic green and all the ones I had featured chrome tailpipes. The
were sold (I think still are) as performance exhausts but it was the sound
everyone wanted.
Eric-----Original Message-----
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karl
Sent: 05 November 2013 16:30
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [xk] Dual Exhaust for Xk120
In reply to a message from Eric Capron sent Tue 5 Nov 2013:
It seems to me the presence of a large number of exhaust systems with chrome
tips may well be explained by thinking back to the time when these cars
needed their first replacements. The rage back in those days were Abarth
replacement exhaust systems for many of the popular sports cars of that era.
I suspect Abarth sold a lions share of replacement exhaust systems in the
day. Abarth advertised widely in the sports car magazines, and touted
improved performance, but one distinct thing about their systems was that
they were black painted but had a chrome section about the last foot of the
tail pipes. Someone subsequently buying the car might well mistake this
configuration for original and not be aware that the system had been
replaced post facto ry.
Karl
karl
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