[xk-engine] 1969 E-Type misfire fixed with head from 1985 XJ6

Some of you may remember that my 1969 E-Type (4.2L XK engine) developed an
intermittent misfire on the #5 cylinder a couple of years ago and that it
was a challenge for me to find the cause. I first suspected ignition, but I
was wrong, then I suspected fuel, but again I was wrong. It turned out to
be a worn valve guide and valve springs on the #5 exhaust valve allowing
that valve to wander a bit. When it sealed correctly I got good combustion,
but when it didn’t I got the misfire. Compression checks showed good
compression until one day when the #5 compression was much lower than the
others. I removed the cylinder head, saw the problem with the valve and
took it to a local shop for evaluation and an estimate. They wanted about
$1,300 US to rebuild the head (valves, valve seats, valve guides, springs,
mill, etc). Instead, I decided to use the head from my 1985 XJ6 parts car
(4.2L XK engine) that turned out to have been reworked just before the car
was junked about 8 years ago. It seems that the engine in my parts car had
never been run after the head was replaced. I had no history on the car, so
I had no idea why the car was junked. When I removed and disassembled the
head I noticed that the intake and exhaust valves had been swapped by
mistake and were in the wrong positions and that there were two belt valves.
This was probably why the prior owner or shop junked the car.

Lou Danzico, a friend from the XJ list living in PA, loaned me his valve
spring compressor and I removed all twelve valves from the head of the 1985
parts car. I inspected everything on the head and except for the two bent
valves everything looked good to me. I purchased the two new valves (about
$20 total including tax and shipping), installed them and last Friday I was
able to start the engine for the first time for a careful monitoring of
coolant and oil and for a short drive. I also had all the various intake,
exhaust and head gaskets on hand from a box of miscellaneous XK engine head
gasket kits that I got on ebay about five years ago. So the direct out of
pocket expenses for the cylinder head swap was about $20 instead of the
$1,300 for the professional rebuild of the original head. I plan to keep
the original head just in case I decide to get it reworked in the future.

Since last Friday when I first started the car I had two failures unrelated
to the head swap. 1) I had a failed 6RA starter relay (one of the internal
electrical contacts just fell off and I got a “no crank” situation) so I
swapped it out with an identical 6RA A/C relay located near the battery used
for the air conditioning; and 2) Then for some reason the condenser decided
to die and this resulted in a “cranks but does not start” condition with no
spark at all. After trouble shooting the wires, cap and rotor, I thought it
might be the condenser. I had a spare condenser on hand and once I swapped
that out the car started up nicely again.

I just came back from another short drive in my 1969 E-Type. It started up
nicely, had no leaks, and in general the oil pressure and coolant
temperatures looked reasonable.

Because I used a cylinder head from a 1985 4.2 L XK engine on my 1969 E-Type
I had to accommodate a few differences: I used the 1985 XK engine cam covers
and half moon seals at the rear instead of the original cam covers; I bolted
up the four bolt cam shafts to the two bolt holes on the timing chain
sprockets and safety wired them; I used the newer lifting brackets; I used
some slightly shorter cylinder head studs that I had on hand for the newer
lifting brackets; and I couldn’t use my spark plug wire conduit cover so the
head now has the newer spark plug tree brackets and spark plug trees.

AND IT RUNS!!!

This was one of the most ambitious XK engine projects I have done to date on
my Jaguars and it was certainly a delight to hear that engine start up so
nicely last Friday and again today. The compression check on a cold engine
before start today was a very even 146-150 PSI and I set all the valves to
0.012-0.014 inches last Friday as they should be with a newer head. I plan
to rerun the compression check on a warmed up engine the next time I drive
the car.

I will be cautiously checking things out over the next week or so to make
sure my work stands the test of time. I am still evaluating the oil
pressure as that doesn’t seem quite right yet, but it could be the gauge. I
plan to connect a direct reading gage to evaluate that further, but for now
the engine starts nicely, has oil pressure and runs very smoothly. The
misfire is gone, and my only direct out of pocket expenses to complete this
project will be the two replacement valves and the shipping costs for the
borrowed valve spring compressor from Lou Danzico.

AND IT RUNS VERY SMOOTHLY!!!

Regards,

Paul M. Novak

1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1985 XJ6 Vanden Plas (parts)
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
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In reply to a message from Paul Novak sent Wed 2 Feb 2011:

Congrats, Paul.

I admire your troubleshooting skills and diligence.

Purrs like the cat she is.

Norm–
59 XK-150 OTS
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In reply to a message from Jagnut 2 sent Thu 3 Feb 2011:

All of us accumulating boxes of misc. parts salute you!
P.–
Peter J. Smith, 1966 3.8S MOD
Carson City Nevada, United States
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P.,

I have accumulated quite a lot of miscellaneous parts for my Jaguar’s
over the years, including my 1985 XJ6 VdP parts car, which just keep giving
back and giving back. I got it for $300 when I needed a trunk, and so far I
have used dozens of parts from it for my two drivable XJ6 VdP car and my
E-Type. It has saved me well over $1,500 now in parts that I have either
used myself, or for parts that I have sold to others needing parts.

I have six spare engines (3.4L (2) 4.2L (3) and 5.3L V12 (1)) and have
used numerous parts from them, including the cylinder head on my 1969
E-Type.

My wife is very supportive of my hobby, and she was especially delighted
to learn last week that my E-Type was running again for about $20 in parts
(the two replacement valves) instead of the $1,300 head rebuild quote that I
told her about last summer before I decided to try “Plan B” and see if I
could use the head from my 1985 XJ6 VdP.

Now that my 1969 E-Type is on the road again, it’s time to turn my
attention back to my 1957 MK VIII which had a complete repaint, but it
awaiting installation of a new wiring harness, engine, fuel delivery system,
exhaust system, etc. It would be wonderful to get that one on the road. It
sat for 30 years (1975-2005) in a garage and needs to be on the road again.
I have a ton of spare parts/extra parts for that car and will be using them
to get that car running again.

Regards,

Paul M. Novak

1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1985 XJ6 Vanden Plas (parts)
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
@Paul_M_Novak1-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xk-engine@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xk-engine@jag-lovers.org]
On Behalf Of carsoncitysmith
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 8:19 PM
To: xk-engine@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk-engine] 1969 E-Type misfire fixed with head from 1985 XJ6

In reply to a message from Jagnut 2 sent Thu 3 Feb 2011:

All of us accumulating boxes of misc. parts salute you!
P.

Peter J. Smith, 1966 3.8S MOD
Carson City Nevada, United States

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Norm,

I must admit that it was more than a little depressing to get the

E-Type running again only to have back to back “doesn’t crank or start” and
then “cranks but doesn’t start” problems immediately afterwards. At first I
thought it must have been something that I had done wrong, but when it
turned out to be a bad starter relay, and then a bad condenser, I knew they
were isolated problems that had nothing to do with my recent cylinder head
work.

  I've put about 100 miles on the car now after replacing the cylinder

head and with the exception of low oil pressure when the engine is warmed
up, everything looks good and it appears that everything that I did was spot
on.

  I plan to get a digital oil pressure gage and monitor it for a while

to see if it’s a gage problem or not.

The engine does purr quite nicely and the idle is very smooth and

steady.

Regards,

Paul M. Novak

1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1985 XJ6 Vanden Plas (parts)
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
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On Behalf Of Jagnut 2
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:36 AM
To: xk-engine@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk-engine] 1969 E-Type misfire fixed with head from 1985 XJ6

In reply to a message from Paul Novak sent Wed 2 Feb 2011:

Congrats, Paul.

I admire your troubleshooting skills and diligence.

Purrs like the cat she is.

Norm

59 XK-150 OTS

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Bram,
Here is the Jag-Lovers email that I posted in February 2011 after I successfully removed the problem cylinder head from the original 4.2L XK engine in my 1969 E-Type FHC and replaced it with the one from the 4.2L cylinder head from my 1985 XJ6 Vanden Plas parts car. There were lots of emails leading up to this point as I struggled to discovet the source of a misfire and investigate my options. However this is the post that details what I did and how. I received a lot of help from many Jag-Lovers members as I successfully did this swap.
The email from Feb 2011 documents the accommodations that I had to make to do this regarding using the E-Type cylinder head gasket to block the extra coolant passages in the later head, the number of timing chain sprocket bolts, plugging the Air Rail holes, using the cam covers and half moon seals, and the different lifting eye brackets. Most of this I remembered.
The attached pictures show the XJ6 cylinder head on place on my E-Type and the small brass plugs that I used to fill the Air Rail ports in the head.

Paul