[xk-engine] XKE oil loss!

Hello everyone,

My otherwice perfect E-type, has begun to loose HUGE amounts of oil
when doing high revs! I’m not 100% sure if its the rear seal thats
broken - but the oil loss is masive and ending on the front exhaust
pots burning - smoking - and dripping.

When expecting the inside of the clutch cover - it seems very dry!

Is it posible for the oil to get out of the engine and over the
gearbox from another place than the rear seal?

All seals etc. from the cylinder head are new and oil tight!

Regards

Michael Harding
Denmark–
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In reply to a message from sus1 sent Thu 15 Nov 2007:

Michael,

Are you sure that the oil feed line, not only the banjo bot
connections but the line itself to the cams, is not the
culprit? If so there should be some oil on the block as I
would suspect at lower revs it may leak and run down but at
higher revs, reach the exhaust pipes? Perhaps a small crack
in the pipe that opens up when the oil is hot and the
pressure increases?

Rear seals I believe would just give a nice coating of oil
to all parts behind the seal, not distribute oil
laterally/sideways.

I have seen an E-type catch fire with a leaking cam feed
line, onto the exhaust set the oil soaked transmission
insulation alight. Not pretty.–
The original message included these comments:

My otherwice perfect E-type, has begun to loose HUGE amounts of oil
when doing high revs! I’m not 100% sure if its the rear seal thats
broken - but the oil loss is masive and ending on the front exhaust
pots burning - smoking - and dripping.
When expecting the inside of the clutch cover - it seems very dry!
Is it posible for the oil to get out of the engine and over the
gearbox from another place than the rear seal?
All seals etc. from the cylinder head are new and oil tight!


Keith Bertenshaw
Rockaway, NJ, United States
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In reply to a message from sus1 sent Thu 15 Nov 2007:

Michael
Have you checked the oil line that runs from the lower left side of
the block up to the cams?
Joel–
ex jag, '66 E-type S1 4.2, '56 XK140dhc, '97 XJ-6
Denison, TX, United States
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In reply to a message from sus1 sent Thu 15 Nov 2007:

If it happens at high revs are you sure your breather is OK? If a
pipe got blocked or kinked I could imagine pressure blowing out of
the dip stick. but the cam feed is favourite.

Since it has only just ‘begun’ to do this, I take it you have not
started over-filling the sump, which is more easily done than you
might think.

Pete–
66 2+2, 73 OTS, 76 DD6 Coup�, 85 XJS 5-spd conver, 93 XJ12
Cambridge, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from sus1 sent Thu 15 Nov 2007:

Thank you for your info so far,

I’ve had the E-type for 4 years, a VERY nice 3 owner car, and
exstremly original (matching numbers), though repainted and with
new interior.
However, I’ve had all sorts of problems with it (including one
busted gearbox) so I’ve only covered ap. 2500 miles in that time!
The car started using lots of oil last year - until then only as
much as would be normal. I have checked the oil feed pipe, and
changed the seals, etc etc.
I think I’ll take everything apart again, and double check, before
taking the engine totally apart!
The bellhousing is very dry - and after the last testdrive, in
april!, the oil was running/dripping from the exhaust aft of the
gearbox - so YES - I was affraid of the thing catching fire!

I read somewhere that the oil sump/pan can leak at the rear end -
anyone got a comment on that?

I don’t think I’ve overfilled the sump! But just to make sure -
I’ll ask a perhaps silly question: How can you do that? Can it get
overfilled if you keep below the ‘‘high’’ mark on the dipstick?

Regards Michael Harding - Denmark
64 E-type, TVR Vixen V8(tuscan), TR6, Austin 7 Nippy, volvo P1800,
Volvo Amazon St.car, Morris Traveler, MG TD, MGB GT, Nimbus–
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In reply to a message from sus1 sent Fri 16 Nov 2007:

Hi Michael

Yes, there is a sump to block sealing strip at the back which could
give way or be incorrectly installed and leak lots of oil from near
the rear main seal. This leak would mostly leave the inside of the
bell housing clean if it is not the rear main seal itself (assuming
you have the tin cover over the lower part of the bell).

The reason I asked about overfilling is that sometimes the collar
on the dip stick can move and thus give false readings on the stick
if it doesn’t go all the way down (causing overfill), or goes too
far (underfill). Also sometimes an owner can shove the stick in
wrong if it is slightly bent and instead of going through the small
hole in the sump baffle to the oil below, it skids across the top
and you overfill to get the mark registering on the stick.

If you overfill it will throw the excess out - especially at high
revs - and then settle down. Sometimes people with an incorrect
stick see this and say ‘The car is using a lot of oil’ so they keep
filling and the car keeps losing. If they would leave it alone and
see if it loses any more after the first part, they would see it
was OK. Same with people who keep overfilling the E-type header
tank and then say the car is overheating because it throws water
out. This would settle too if they would only stop filling it.

But in your case it sounds like things were normal and then a
problem developed with the rear sump seal.

The other rare cause is if somehow a lot of fuel got into the sump
it would lift the oil level, but you would smell this easily on the
stick and the oil would of course go very thin. Water would give
other signs too of course and show up as a low coolant level as
well.

Pete–
The original message included these comments:

The car started using lots of oil last year - until then only as
much as would be normal. I have checked the oil feed pipe, and
changed the seals, etc etc.
I think I’ll take everything apart again, and double check, before
taking the engine totally apart!
The bellhousing is very dry - and after the last testdrive, in
april!, the oil was running/dripping from the exhaust aft of the
gearbox - so YES - I was affraid of the thing catching fire!
I read somewhere that the oil sump/pan can leak at the rear end -
anyone got a comment on that?
I don’t think I’ve overfilled the sump! But just to make sure -


66 2+2, 73 OTS, 76 DD6 Coup�, 85 XJS 5-spd conver, 93 XJ12
Cambridge, United Kingdom
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interessing ! have you dimension from collar of the dipstick and max mark ? oil is 8.3 for a xj6, is it with oil filter capacity ( replace) , or witout ?

refards from france