[xk] Fog Lamps - XK150

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I can’t believe that no one can give me the location and hole
diameter for mounting fog lamps. One thing I would like explained
is why some lamps are located between the headlight and outside
fender while others are located between the headlight and the
grill. Both claim to be original from the factory. Which one is
correct or are they both correct? Are the ones located between the
headlght and the grill using the hole that was drilled originally
for badges? I’m not talking about one or two Jags. Everytime I
start looking at pictures I find the fog lamps mounted both ways.
Thanks, Bill–
bill baethke
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In a message dated 1/26/2004 12:27:10 PM Central Standard Time,
primewolf@att.net writes:

<< One thing I would like explained is why some lamps are located between the
headlight and outside fender while others are located between the headlight
and the
grill. >>

Bill:

Probably because most aux lamps (in the USA) were installed by the dealer and
usually by the “low man on the totem pole” in the shop at that. Hence the
different mounting positions. Only now, 50 years later, do we make a big deal as
to how many mm are the lamps from another fixed point on the car. Back then…
as long as they were somewhat symmetrical that’s all that mattered.
Besides, if Joe Customer wanted the lamps in a certain position the dealer,
in 99.999% of the cases, agreed as it was Joe who wrote the check.
Since your car didn’t come with lamps originally, which explains why there
are no mounting holes, put the lamps where you want.
Cheers,

Ron

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hi, bill,

i can’t answer for the 150’s, per se, but if the mounting
arrangement is the same as
that of the 140 cars, you’ll find two 5/16" drilled holes in the
inboard bumper bracket-arm,
on each side. those holes are used to bolt up a little right-angle
bracket which is specific
to the aux lamp installation. with those brackets bolted in place,
the location for the holes
in the plinth plates will be obvious. the lamps are too heavy to
simply be mounted to the
sheet metal of the plate with no bracketing to the bumper arm…

its been a good few years time since i worked on the aux lamp
installation on a couple of 140
cars which weren’t originally fitted with aux lamps…at the
time, we were able to get a
pair of the lamp brackets from a dead 140, for one installation, and
we copied them for the
other…we had made a drawing of the bracket, but i’d have no
idea as to whether i’d still
have it somewhere…if you can get a sample-part, or a drawing,
that little bracket is a very
easy part to make up…just a bit of 10 gage steel, cut out,
bent/folded and welded, with
two 5/16 and one 41/64 drilled holes.

if the set of aux lamps you’ve found has the securing-nuts missing,
those are easy to replicate
as well…the fine thread is actually an old standard…its
5/8-26, and the tap can be found
with a bit of looking…i probably still have the tap and one or
two of those nuts somewhere…

caveat…all this is from memory…i could be mistaken in some
details…

cheers

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-xk@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-xk@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf
Of bill baethke
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:01
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [xk] Fog Lamps - XK150

I can’t believe that no one can give me the location and hole
diameter for mounting fog lamps. One thing I would like explained
is why some lamps are located between the headlight and outside
fender while others are located between the headlight and the
grill. Both claim to be original from the factory. Which one is
correct or are they both correct? Are the ones located between the
headlght and the grill using the hole that was drilled originally
for badges? I’m not talking about one or two Jags. Everytime I
start looking at pictures I find the fog lamps mounted both ways.
Thanks, Bill

bill baethke
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The fog or driving lights are mounted through a grometted hole in each of
the blinth panels to two special right angle brackets that be can mounted
only one way to the right and left bumper support brackets below. As a
result, the lights position slightly to the ‘outside’ of each of the
headlights. If I remember correctly, Jaguar already had the holes drilled in
the bumper supports to mount these two special brackets. If the driving
lights are on the inside of the headlights, they are probably mounted
directly to the blinth panels and not as I have described to the correct
brackets below . Jaguar originally supplied two different sets of blinth
panels with different part numbers for those to be used with driving lights
and for those without. When I did my Champion 1958 150 OTS, I added the two
driving lights. I used these right angle brackets properly bolted in place
on each bumper bracket to locate the positions of the hole I had to drill
through each blinth panel. Sorry, but I have since sold my 150 so I cannot
show you detail photos of the proper mounting brackets I have described.
Bottom line: First locate those correct driving light mounting brackets and
they will show you where to cut your plinth panel holes.
Hope this helps you,
Hal----- Original Message -----
From: “bill baethke” primewolf@att.net
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 1:01 PM
Subject: [xk] Fog Lamps - XK150

I can’t believe that no one can give me the location and hole
diameter for mounting fog lamps. One thing I would like explained
is why some lamps are located between the headlight and outside
fender while others are located between the headlight and the
grill. Both claim to be original from the factory. Which one is
correct or are they both correct? Are the ones located between the
headlght and the grill using the hole that was drilled originally
for badges? I’m not talking about one or two Jags. Everytime I
start looking at pictures I find the fog lamps mounted both ways.
Thanks, Bill

bill baethke
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Bill,
As Ron D. points out, the USA model 150s didn’t have the fog/driving lamps.
Home market and Europe got them. Pat suggested you bolt up the support
bracket to determine the exact location on the filler panel. I agree, as
bumper brackets can easily have been bent. As far as the size (read
diameter) of the hole in the panel, I have a LHD German market 150 with
driving lamps. But its stored for winter right now, so maybe someone has a
loose lamp that they could measure the threaded shaft on the lamp??? If it
ever stops raining and snowing I can crawl under the front bumper and
measure it for you. Did I give you this link, which shows the bracket and
lamp position?
http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=1028126832 This is the
home market/Europe location.
Now, I assume you want the hole size and location so that you might drill it
before you paint the filler panel. Are you using a reproduction filler
panel? My experience has been they may or may not locate on the wing as
original. The exact location would be determined by the bumper brackets,
the lamp bracket, the filler panel, the wing itself, and the welting. To my
mind, to many variables to pre-drill. You might want to drill after they are
installed. If you drill after painting, the lamp has a bit of a “foot” to
cover whatever marks made during careful drilling. That way you can install
the units, and do an eyeball to make sure they look symmetrical to you. So
either install all the pieces unpainted and then drill, or after painting,
using all the pieces involved. Either way, the hole size is just a bit
bigger than the threaded shaft size, and the location is determined
essentially by the support bracket in relationship to the filler panel.
Jerry Oliver
Olympia, WA----- Original Message -----
From: “bill baethke” primewolf@att.net
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: [xk] Fog Lamps - XK150

I can’t believe that no one can give me the location and hole
diameter for mounting fog lamps. One thing I would like explained
is why some lamps are located between the headlight and outside
fender while others are located between the headlight and the
grill. Both claim to be original from the factory. Which one is
correct or are they both correct? Are the ones located between the
headlght and the grill using the hole that was drilled originally
for badges? I’m not talking about one or two Jags. Everytime I
start looking at pictures I find the fog lamps mounted both ways.
Thanks, Bill

bill baethke
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Bill,
After reading some of the responses to your inquiry, I see I forgot there’s
a grommet in the filler panel hole. So you’ll have to up size the drilled
hole to accommodate a grommet that has an inside diameter appropriate for
the threaded shaft on the lamp.
Best,
Jerry Oliver
Olympia, WA----- Original Message -----
From: “JerrysJaguar” <@Jerry_Oliver2>
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 11:49 AM
Subject: Re: [xk] Fog Lamps - XK150

Bill,
As Ron D. points out, the USA model 150s didn’t have the fog/driving
lamps.
Home market and Europe got them. Pat suggested you bolt up the support
bracket to determine the exact location on the filler panel. I agree, as
bumper brackets can easily have been bent. As far as the size (read
diameter) of the hole in the panel, I have a LHD German market 150 with
driving lamps. But its stored for winter right now, so maybe someone has a
loose lamp that they could measure the threaded shaft on the lamp??? If it
ever stops raining and snowing I can crawl under the front bumper and
measure it for you. Did I give you this link, which shows the bracket and
lamp position?
http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=1028126832 This is the
home market/Europe location.
Now, I assume you want the hole size and location so that you might drill
it
before you paint the filler panel. Are you using a reproduction filler
panel? My experience has been they may or may not locate on the wing as
original. The exact location would be determined by the bumper brackets,
the lamp bracket, the filler panel, the wing itself, and the welting. To
my
mind, to many variables to pre-drill. You might want to drill after they
are
installed. If you drill after painting, the lamp has a bit of a “foot” to
cover whatever marks made during careful drilling. That way you can
install
the units, and do an eyeball to make sure they look symmetrical to you. So
either install all the pieces unpainted and then drill, or after painting,
using all the pieces involved. Either way, the hole size is just a bit
bigger than the threaded shaft size, and the location is determined
essentially by the support bracket in relationship to the filler panel.
Jerry Oliver
Olympia, WA

----- Original Message -----
From: “bill baethke” primewolf@att.net
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: [xk] Fog Lamps - XK150

I can’t believe that no one can give me the location and hole
diameter for mounting fog lamps. One thing I would like explained
is why some lamps are located between the headlight and outside
fender while others are located between the headlight and the
grill. Both claim to be original from the factory. Which one is
correct or are they both correct? Are the ones located between the
headlght and the grill using the hole that was drilled originally
for badges? I’m not talking about one or two Jags. Everytime I
start looking at pictures I find the fog lamps mounted both ways.
Thanks, Bill

bill baethke
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Bill,
Here’s some more info on the hole size, sent to me by Terry Hilton down in
Oz;

Jerry The hole in the gravel tray is about 1-3/8 inches It takes a rubber
grommet of a bit over an inch inside The foglight sits on a pedastal which
then sits on the bumper iron bracket terry

good luck,
Jerry Oliver
Olympia, WA

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In reply to a message from JerrysJaguar sent Mon 26 Jan 2004:

Although I am not a 150 expert, I did go to my books which show
the location of the lights as fitted to the factory to 150s
( actual photos of cars under assembly inside the assembly
building ) and the location that Jerry shows in his photos is
correct for cars fittted at the factory.

Karl–
karl
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In reply to a message from JerrysJaguar sent Mon 26 Jan 2004:

So I took a peek under Jerry O’s skirt in the pics he posted and
blow me down, there’s one of the original Lucas aux.lamp mounting
brackets that I managed to snag along with a pair of Lucas SFT 576
lamps that I won in an eBay auction last December.
I was only bidding on the brackets and the lamps came with them for
free- not!
I’m dead chuffed, to think I have 2 more original items for my car
now! Only a few more thousand parts to go and I’ll be able to bolt
it all together…
Anyhow, for those that need the pattern to do a knock-off of the
original style bracket that goes with the Lucas aux. lamps, contact
me privately and I’ll get you dimensions and pics of the left and
right versions of these brackets if you want them
for ‘‘authenticity’’. Be patient though, I’ve temporarily mislaid the
things in my job-pile.
Oh, btw- you’ll have to deal with copyright issues on your own…–
The original message included these comments:

measure it for you. Did I give you this link, which shows the bracket and
lamp position?
http://www.jag-lovers.org/snaps/snap_view.php3?id=1028126832 This is the

–
JPM
Vancouver BC, Canada
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In reply to a message from karl sent Tue 27 Jan 2004:

Hi Karl,

I knew that! Jerry is always right! :>))) However, I intend to test
him when I start on my 150! I have to say he knows those 150’s.
Jerry, I’m going to start bugging you in a cou;le of weeks.

Take care, have a good day,

Best Regards,

Marcel LeHouillier T8332022DN–
The original message included these comments:

In reply to a message from JerrysJaguar sent Mon 26 Jan 2004:
Although I am not a 150 expert, I did go to my books which show
the location of the lights as fitted to the factory to 150s
( actual photos of cars under assembly inside the assembly
building ) and the location that Jerry shows in his photos is
correct for cars fittted at the factory.
Karl

–
marcelxke
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Marcel,
Gezze, would you forward that email to my wife!!! She has a different
opinion (;-). I think Bill B. might try the suppliers in England, such as
Guy Broad and Coventry Auto etc. for those brackets. They are shown in an
old British Auto (now SNG Barrett)catalogue I have as BD9242 and BD9243, but
I don’t know if they are currently available. Bill, if you have a 150 Spare
Parts manual, look up the page and part number of the “finisher”, as I don’t
know to what you are referring. On the filler lid seal, as I recall, the
change over to the bulb style is with the later lid. They open and close at
different ends. I substituted the later style bulb on my early car as that
cork seal and lip lid is not the best design. The bulb will fit over the
same area. Otherwise, I’d just make up a cork seal to fit into the metal
seal holder. One could even make that up, its just a round metal piece with
a lip of about 1/8", with a hole in the middle.Similar to a glass jar lid.
It attaches with a flat washer and a cotter key.
Jerry Oliver
Olympia, WA----- Original Message -----
From: “marcelxke” mmlehouillier@hotmail.com
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [xk] Fog Lamps - XK150

In reply to a message from karl sent Tue 27 Jan 2004:

Hi Karl,

I knew that! Jerry is always right! :>))) However, I intend to test
him when I start on my 150! I have to say he knows those 150’s.
Jerry, I’m going to start bugging you in a cou;le of weeks.

Take care, have a good day,

Best Regards,

Marcel LeHouillier T8332022DN

–
The original message included these comments:

In reply to a message from JerrysJaguar sent Mon 26 Jan 2004:
Although I am not a 150 expert, I did go to my books which show
the location of the lights as fitted to the factory to 150s
( actual photos of cars under assembly inside the assembly
building ) and the location that Jerry shows in his photos is
correct for cars fittted at the factory.
Karl

–
marcelxke
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