Hi everyone…just doing a quick survey…who has or can confirm
existance of any original 120 parts boxes? I have one, and one for
the 140…anyone else?–
godfrey
pender island bc, Canada
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Hello Godfrey,
Yes, I have a good friend who has an XK120 parts box that came with his 120. Its in nice condition and about 40% complete with the original parts and then some later stuff put into it. It is a cool piece.
I don’t think he is on the List so I wrote to him asking if he would mind forwarding his phone number to you to call and compare notes, etc.
Cheers,
Knight________________________________
From: godfrey artrageus@shaw.ca
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Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 10:07 PM
Subject: [xk] XK 120 PARTS BOX
Hi everyone…just doing a quick survey…who has or can confirm
existance of any original 120 parts boxes? I have one, and one for
the 140…anyone else?
godfrey
pender island bc, Canada
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In reply to a message from Knight Martorell sent Sat 20 Apr 2013:
Godfrey,
It was my understanding that the parts box had two variations.
depending on headlights. If that is true, I am curious which
variation your original represents. I have always wondered what
judges would do if you presented at a show a car with the incorrect
parts box, for example if you had fitted PF770s to an American car
as some owners have done.
Karl–
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In reply to a message from karl sent Sat 20 Apr 2013:
The 120 box I have was delivered with a car new to the Canadian
market…which allowed the PF770 headlamps from new…so the
green/white label does NOT have the h/l bulb (# 303) crossed out in
pencil and initialled ,however the 140 box does have this part
deleted (crossed out) so it was for a US delivery car…so if you
(like I) want to be absolutely correct then a US delivery 120
should have this deleted. That being said if I was judging a US
delivery 120 and it had tribars fitted then I would give it a
deduct for non originality…don’t know what DC would say. Dick do
you want to chime in? So in answer to your question…the only
difference of which I am aware at this point is the deletion of the
h/l bulb by Jaguar for those cars which were delivered to the SU
market–
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It was my understanding that the parts box had two variations.
depending on headlights. If that is true, I am curious which
variation your original represents. I have always wondered what
judges would do if you presented at a show a car with the incorrect
parts box, for example if you had fitted PF770s to an American car
as some owners have done.
–
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In reply to a message from godfrey sent Sat 20 Apr 2013:
Godfrey,
I believe I am correct in saying that when Taris Charysyn produced
a small run of XK120 boxes some years back, he had two different
printed labels for the headlight options, not ‘‘crossing our’’ like
you have for your XK140 box.
I await with interest any other opinions on deducting for the
incorrect for the car, but available from the factory, headlamps.
Karl–
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Godfrey, from your other email, Jaguar would have been miles ahead had they
produced their prototype F-Type, it was small like the boxter.
Have you contacted Tom Buckus, he might have some of the items you are
looking for. I do have ONE cream/black tin that could be used for
duplication if you find someone who can do it.
I have a 414 box but not the 303 box.
No luck on the 6J tyre gauge either. I do have several extra PCL tire
gauges. PCL was the manufacturer for Jaguar. These are blank but I have no
idea how one would duplicate the text on these blank gauges.
I could not open your picture attachments. It kept asking me to do something
on my C drive.
C:\Documents and Settings\USER\Desktop\Unused Desktop
Shortcuts\DCIM\100MSDCF\ALBUMS
However I was able to see your picture of the grumpy kitty.
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Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 7:56 PM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk] XK 120 PARTS BOX
In reply to a message from karl sent Sat 20 Apr 2013:
The 120 box I have was delivered with a car new to the Canadian
market…which allowed the PF770 headlamps from new…so the green/white label
does NOT have the h/l bulb (# 303) crossed out in pencil and initialled
,however the 140 box does have this part deleted (crossed out) so it was for
a US delivery car…so if you (like I) want to be absolutely correct then a
US delivery 120 should have this deleted. That being said if I was judging a
US delivery 120 and it had tribars fitted then I would give it a deduct for
non originality…don’t know what DC would say. Dick do you want to chime
in? So in answer to your question…the only difference of which I am aware
at this point is the deletion of the h/l bulb by Jaguar for those cars which
were delivered to the SU market
The original message included these comments:
It was my understanding that the parts box had two variations.
depending on headlights. If that is true, I am curious which variation
your original represents. I have always wondered what judges would do
if you presented at a show a car with the incorrect parts box, for
example if you had fitted PF770s to an American car as some owners
have done.
–
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Godfrey;
You mean the cardboard “Spare Parts” kits that came with the XK??
I’ve seen it written that those XK’s so fitted had a “Jaguar Minor
Replacement Outfit” sheet glued/attached to an inside cover of the
Operating Instructions (owner’s manual-- which, for the DHC is a
standard “SuperSports Model and Fixed Head Coupe” booklet)
When I bought my 120 DHC in '67, my original owners manual had
(still has) such a list “Scotch Taped” to the inside back cover. I (still)
have a handful of the original parts contained in said box from many
years ago, sadly the cardboard box is looooog gone. It was not until
the late '70’s (early '80’s?), and AFTER I had used some of these bits,
before I realized these parts were part of the original “minor
replacement” kit. Needless to say, the remaining bits are ensconced
in a protective box for posterity ;-}
I might add that BOTH the “Headlamp Bulb for H.L.” lines
(C.2749/2 and C.2749) are lined-thru, initialed by “JB”, in blue
ballpoint ink, not pencil lead.
Charles #677556.
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From: “godfrey”
Subject: [xk] XK 120 PARTS BOX
Hi everyone…just doing a quick survey…who has or can confirm
existance of any original 120 parts boxes? I have one, and one for
the 140…anyone else?godfrey
pender island bc, Canada
In reply to a message from cb@XKTX.Org sent Sun 21 Apr 2013:
Most interesting :)…thank you Charles…are you able to provide a
list of the remaining parts you do have please. With photos if
possible ? I wonder who JB is (was) and where he was located…US or
UK? George… can you help with this? Charles can you post a good
clear photo of the signature?–
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When I bought my 120 DHC in '67, my original owners manual had
(still has) such a list ‘‘Scotch Taped’’ to the inside back cover. I (still)
I might add that BOTH the ‘‘Headlamp Bulb for H.L.’’ lines
(C.2749/2 and C.2749) are lined-thru, initialed by ‘‘JB’’, in blue
ballpoint ink, not pencil lead.
–
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In reply to a message from Steve sent Sun 21 Apr 2013:
Hello Steve…isn’t that pic wonderful…fully expresses my opinion
of the ‘new’ F type… Thank you re possible sources on the parts.
In my wild dreams I have always wanted to purchase the company and
return it to the glory it once held in the motoring world and the
ability WL had of taking the poisition of ‘’ I am going to build a
car that I like…and I would be delighted to sell you one’’ Aston
Martin is increasingly filling this for those who still care about
British motoring… and given theoir increasing popularity and
price for the old ones… my suspicion is that they have got it
right!..Hmmm should I be concidering adding an Aston to the
stable? Certainly for the current crop Jaguar has got to get past
this obsession with the XK series vehicles. Malcolm Sayer…where
are you???–
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Godfrey, from your other email, Jaguar would have been miles ahead had they
produced their prototype F-Type, it was small like the boxter.
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In reply to a message from godfrey sent Sun 21 Apr 2013:
Hi All
I would be intrested in learning the contents of the xk120 spare
parts boxes. It would be useful to make up a box of spares to carry
in the car, for example I fitted a Petronix Distributor but carry
the origional as a just in case spare.
Regards
Michael Sweeney
XK 120 OTS 1950
XK 140 FHC 1955–
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In reply to a message from newrynuck sent Sun 21 Apr 2013:
Off the top of my head…as I don’t have it in front of me…it
contained : 1 spark plug, inner and outer valve spring,1 h/l bulb,
3 189 lucas bulbs, 1 sidemarker bulb, top rad hose,bottom rad hose,
intermediate hose,fan belt,1 ea points,rotor,condenser,one set
of ‘decarbonising joints’, Charles you have a copy of the list…do
you want to complete this ? best wishes Godfrey–
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In reply to a message from godfrey sent Sun 21 Apr 2013:
These MRO boxes also contained a flexible fuel line and flexible
oil line. As far as concours goes, if judges have the time to look
into the boxes and compare with the labels with regards to
headlamps (lack or presence of seperate bulb for 770’s or J lamps
in the 140s (406 if I recall) - they are probably overextending,
given that you can have either type of headlamp. The other side of
the coin is that just by taking the time to assemble or restore an
MRO we want to get it right, and I’d at least look into any box
just to have the chance to see another one.–
1958 Xk150 DHC, 1963 3.8 Mark 2
Annapolis, MD, United States
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Godfrey;
The remaining “spares” parts are in a small box out in my “Parts
Building”… Normally it’s a matter of minutes to access such items…
Currently, too many on-going doctors appointments with wife’s
cancer and chemo side-effects issues to take the time…
On making a scan… Let me put it this way, the Dead Sea Scrolls
are in better shape for handling than the remains of my Operating
Handbook. It is all but a crumbling mess as it had gotten wet when
rained, after I put the booklet into the driver’s door pocket.
On the “signature”, it isn’t, it’s just the initials “JB” in cursive
writing.
Okay, herewith is the exact wording, complete, of the:
“Jaguar Minor Replacement Outfit”
In view of long journeys which may be undertaken in districts
remote from immediate servicing facilities, all Jaguar cars
exported from England are supplied with the minor replacement
outfit detailed below.
Items such as lamp bulbs and sparking plugs are included since they
can be replaced with no more than a few moments’ delay on a
journey. Hoses, flexible feed pipes and gaskets are included in case
of damage which may be caused to the original parts after
decarbonizing or top overhauling. Other items are supplied for the
convenience of owners, who need not anticipate the need for their
use for many thousands of miles.
…INVENTORY.
…(first column).
Part
No…Description…Quantity.
Ass.311…Decarbonizing Joints… 1 set.
C.2271…Valve Springs (Inner)…1.
C.2272…Valve Springs (Outer)…2.
C.2240…Fan
Belt…1.
C.3674…Top Water Hose…1.
C.3675…Bottom Water Hose…1.
1423A…Flexible Oil Pipe…1.
407050…Distributor Contacts…1.
…(second column).
407044…Distributor Condenser…1.
N.A.8…Long Reach Sparking Plugs…2.
189…Tail Lamp Bulb…1.
199…Reverse Lamp Bulb…1.
989…Number Plate and Side Lamp Bulb…3.
303…Headlamp Bulb for H.L. No. C.2749/2…1.
302…Headlamp Bulb for H.L No. C.2749…1.
(bottom two items are “lined out” with blue ballpoint pen.
Initials “JB” written immediately next to the #303 Quantity
Number (i.e. 1JB… Also, under magnification, the initials
“might” be “JC”…)
I believe this book came with the 120 DHC at time of
my purchase ('67). We KNOW that there was no “Operating,
Maintenance and Service Handbook” issued specifically
for the 120 DHC.
This booklet has, pasted to the inside front cover, the
“Addendum To XK 120 Handbook” in red letters.
Immediately below is the ‘XK120 “Special Equipment”
Models’ sticker.
On the first inside page, pasted at the top inside of said
page, is the “Important Brakes” sticker.
The “Jaguar Minor Replacement Outfit” Sticker is “Scotch
Taped” across the “top” (left side of sticker) and right side
(top of sticker)
At the top of page 30, handwritten in blue “fountain pen”
ink is the following:
MF67A
Purolator Oil Filter Ru GLID?
(illedgable)
Mount (illedgable)
Clear & dr???
Ri???
Muskegon.
Mich.
At the top of page 3, handwritten in blue “fountain pen”
ink is the following:
Synthetic…Enamel harden??
Enamel…R-M…RM38010.
…Rinshed Mason.
Hope this is of help and interest.
Charles #677556.
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From: “godfrey”
Most interesting :)…thank you Charles…are you able to provide a
list of the remaining parts you do have please. With photos if
possible ? I wonder who JB is (was) and where he was located…US or
UK? George… can you help with this? Charles can you post a good
clear photo of the signature?
In reply to a message from godfrey sent Sat 20 Apr 2013:
I mentioned to Godfrey that my 1952 OTS still had its Spares
Box and most of the contents when I bought it in 1956. The
box competed with other more durable bachelor equipage and
all that I have left is the list of contents. It does,
however, have the curious initialed x-out of the spare lamp
for the tri-bars.
The picture of the content label is posted.
JCNA allows: ‘‘Entries… to have any style and/or size
headlamps, offered by Jaguar Cars Lt., Jaguar Cars Inc. or
Jaguar Canada Inc. for the specific model regardless of the
country to which the car was originally delivered.’’
Regards,
Dick–
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existance of any original 120 parts boxes? I have one, and one for
–
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In reply to a message from OK3 sent Mon 22 Apr 2013:
Dick,
How is the spare parts box judged, if at all ?
That is, is the lack of one a deduction if the car was supposedly
shipped with one ?
Karl–
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In reply to a message from karl sent Mon 22 Apr 2013:
Karl, Godfrey and others,
Valid question regarding judging the 120 Parts Box.
As of now (2013) the box is not judged nor is it mentioned
in JCNA Rules.
While there’s no question that the boxes existed, has anyone
seen official documentation from Jaguar Cars Ltd. indicating
that the boxes themselves had Part Numbers or are listed in
any Service Bulletin, or other official publication, as
original equipage? In which cars?
Dick–
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Dick,
How is the spare parts box judged, if at all ?
That is, is the lack of one a deduction if the car was supposedly
shipped with one ?
–
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G’day Dick,
SERVICE BULLETIN 122A of April, 1953 - which was a bulletin for “Home Trade
Circulation Only” - so I am unsure whether you will have this Bulletin with
your USA Set of Bulletins, does detail CONTINENTAL TOURING KITS.
If you don’t have Bulletin I can scan and forward direct. (I cannot recall
if included this or not some years ago when helping Charles etc with repro
Bulletin sets).
But it lists these by both part number, Model and Price (in GBP of course)
Eg:
SD.1024 XK.120 GBP24.1.10
Being 1953, this XK120 one is latest model listed, so doesn’t list XK140 for
instance, but does list:-
SD.1018 1946-1948 1 1/2 litre
SD.1019 1946-1948 2 1/2 litre
SD.1020 1946-1948 3 1/2 litre
SD.1021 Mark V 2 1/2 litre
SD.1022 Mark V 3 1/2 litre
SD.1023 Mark VII
SD.1024 XK.120
These are also listed in various versions of J.12 Master Price List, but
wont check further now.
But second part of your question, I am not aware of hand any (official)
reference to these being supplied as original equipment to specific Models
or specific Markets - more a case of “being available”, albeit “folk-lore”
suggests they were supplied to certain USA market cars of certain models,
that were invariably pilfered by dealership before new owner took
possession.
But there HAS to be a reason why certain XK120 Handbook editions, that
predominantly are ex-USA, have the LABEL stuck in the back cover, where same
handbook for UK market deliveries, does not have this Label.
No real sign/evidence re situation in Australia either - I suspect special
order from dealer when buying new car.
Roger Payne - XK140MC OTS; E-Type 4.2 S.1 OTS; DSV8.
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OK3
Sent: Thursday, 25 April 2013 2:10 PM
To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk] XK 120 PARTS BOX
In reply to a message from karl sent Mon 22 Apr 2013:
Karl, Godfrey and others,
Valid question regarding judging the 120 Parts Box.
As of now (2013) the box is not judged nor is it mentioned
in JCNA Rules.
While there’s no question that the boxes existed, has anyone
seen official documentation from Jaguar Cars Ltd. indicating
that the boxes themselves had Part Numbers or are listed in
any Service Bulletin, or other official publication, as
original equipage? In which cars?
Dick
–
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Dick,
How is the spare parts box judged, if at all ?
That is, is the lack of one a deduction if the car was supposedly
shipped with one ?
–
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In reply to a message from Roger Payne sent Wed 24 Apr 2013:
Roger,
I have heard or read somewhere that the reason export cars got
spare parts boxes, and home cars did not was that Jaguar management
hypothesized that, for example, an American driver in driving cross
country and encountering a fairly common failure like a hose, bulb
or belt would not have access to spares for a prompt repair and
that would hurt the Jaguar reputation, whereas the cars at home
would always be within a short distance of a parts source. That
would fit your thinking, and the part description, and would
explain why the parts list was included in the Handbook for certain
cars. At the factory, they could put either a ‘‘with’’ or a ‘‘without’’
package of spares and handbook in the boot at assembly depending on
the destination of the car as with other items like headlamps.
I have similarly heard or read that the reason the boxes are so
rare is not only fragility and consumption, but that dealers
routinely considered them a source of spare parts for their own
stock. I understand that Jaguar stopped shipping aero screens with
a new XK120 OTS was that dealers were also stripping these from the
boots and reselling them as optional equipment, but never seen that
documented anywhere, although it may be in a Bulletin. Perhaps a
similar situation applied to spare parts boxes.
It would seem that an owner today presenting a car at a contest
fitted with items like the aero-screens ( who knows how they were
originally packaged), spare parts box ( the reproduction box I have
is wrapped in paper which looks authentic and period), or the touch
up paint generally acknowledged to have been present when shipped
is actually at risk of a markdown or otherwise disadvantaged , and
that does not necessarily seem like the desired outcome.
Karl–
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Roger;
Yes! TSB #122A was (is) included in the collection of
ALL 277 Technical Service Bulletins that I assembled… as are
a number of “Spares” service bulletins (that relate to XK’s) and
a few dozen “other” pages associated with the TSB’s… I should
also note that my TSB sets included THE most accurate and
complete set of “Index” pages I could find. Seems one Service
Manager would read thru a “new” bulletin, then enter everything
mentioned in THAT bulletin under it’s correct index page… When
it comes to minutia, these index sheets were a work of art! ;-}
Charles #677556.
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From: “Roger Payne”
G’day Dick,
SERVICE BULLETIN 122A of April, 1953 - which was a bulletin for “Home
Trade
Circulation Only” - so I am unsure whether you will have this Bulletin
with
your USA Set of Bulletins, does detail CONTINENTAL TOURING KITS.If you don’t have Bulletin I can scan and forward direct. (I cannot
recall
if included this or not some years ago when helping Charles etc with repro
Bulletin sets).
Roger P;
Another bit of minutia… the “placement” of the other stickers
attached to the XK120 Operators Manual… Were these randomly
placed? Or, like the “Outfit” list, specifically placed?
My (original?) handbook has the red print “Addendum to XK120
Handbook” (about the keys) on the inside at the top of the front cover.
Below this red sticker is one that is nearly 2/3rds the length of the
booklet, "XK120 “Special Equipment’ Models”.
The third sticker, the “Important----Brakes” is pasted on the first page,
at the top inside corner of the page…
Does this fit any profile??
Charles #677556.
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