[xk] xk120 brake lines

JGood evening,

Shoud the xk120, 1953/54, with dual master cylinder, use single or
double flare ends on the brake lines? None, some or all?

Thanks

Regards,

Marcel LeHouillier S674501–
marcelxke
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Marcel:
I just purchased a complete set of stainless steel brake lines from an
outfit in NY State (near Buffalo) called Classic Tube and I couldn’t be happier
with the quality. They are all flared but give them a call and speak to Tom
and ask him. They know what they are doing! USD 255+ freight for every tube and
pipe connected with the brakes. Inexpensive when you realize how important it
is to be able to STOP!
Looking into redoing the brakes on my Buick OFS. Go to: www.classictube.com
I get a 50% rebate/kickback on everything. JUST KIDDING.
I really think it sounds silly as hell when our “listers” recommend a good
shop, line, service, or dealer, and then have to clarify that they have no
financial interest in the company and or product!
Hey, like the Gaiter guy, it’s nice to know a lister was satisfied with a
product and can recommend it! BUT BASHING IS NOT ALLOWED which I think is
also correct!
Mad Ludwig

Marcel;
ALL brake lines fitted to any hydraluic brake system on any car
that used flared fittings should have “Double Flared” ends (it’s a safety
thing)… Remember to install the threaded fitting BEFORE you flare the pipes
;-}
Charles #677556.----- Original Message -----
From: “marcelxke”

JGood evening,

Shoud the xk120, 1953/54, with dual master cylinder, use single or
double flare ends on the brake lines? None, some or all?

In reply to a message from Fhc12001@aol.com sent Fri 13 Feb 2004:

Hi Madder,

Some people can do good polite bashing, but MAD bashing is not
tolerated!!! (:>))

Did you do it, gaiterwise?

Take care,

Regards,

Marcel–
The original message included these comments:

product and can recommend it! BUT BASHING IS NOT ALLOWED which I think is
also correct!


marcelxke
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Marcel:
We will know later. See ya later alligator!
Mad Ludwig for sure

In reply to a message from BISHOP-13 sent Fri 13 Feb 2004:

Good Morning Charles,

I read the last sentence of your email to the guys in the shop, it
caused quite a giggle!!! ;>(

A little humour is great for everyone, ask the Madder?

Thanks for your help again,

Marcel LeHouillier S674501–
The original message included these comments:

thing)… Remember to install the threaded fitting BEFORE you flare the pipes
;-}
Charles #677556.


marcelxke
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Marcel;
I wrote that comment because of actual personal experience… not
just once… but I’ve forgotten to install the fitting a number of times
before I flared the brake pipes. ;-}
Charles #677556.----- Original Message -----
From: “marcelxke”

In reply to a message from BISHOP-13 sent Fri 13 Feb 2004:

Good Morning Charles,

I read the last sentence of your email to the guys in the shop, it
caused quite a giggle!!! ;>(

A little humour is great for everyone, ask the Madder?

Thanks for your help again,

Marcel LeHouillier S674501

Marcel,

Double! Most if not all brake systems require double flared tubing since
the 40’s.

Regards,

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Let’s see how you feel about “vendors” when you can’t stop the leaks!
Ha! ha!

Regards and it needs to go before it needs to be stopped!

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Hi Rick
I have not been following this thread so excuse me if I repeat anyones
postings, but I have to disagree with you there as many(older)Brit cars use
a single flare on the male ends i.e. the bridge between the brake cylinders.
I would take a good look in the cylinder to see if the seating is concaved
or beveled to accept single or double flare.
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To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk] xk120 brake lines
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:52:07 -0500

Marcel,

Double! Most if not all brake systems require double flared tubing since
the 40’s.

Regards,

Rick


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Rick:
Why should they leak?
ML

Damn Ian, your up early.
RH won’t be up for at least another 4 hours. Needs his beauty sleep you
know.
A LOT of it.
Mad Ludwig

Hi Ernie
yes it is early here but I am geting ready to drive up to meet Charles
and the others
Have a good busy week end on the 120 I know it will
be ready for the trips
Cheers Ian>From: Fhc12001@aol.com

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To: xk@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [xk] xk120 brake lines
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:35:15 EST

Damn Ian, your up early.
RH won’t be up for at least another 4 hours. Needs his beauty sleep
you
know.
A LOT of it.
Mad Ludwig


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Ian,

Whoops and perhaps!

The double flare thing has been a “requirement” here USof A, perhaps it’s
now DOT but I think it started more with as a SAE and that it has to do
with safety.

I also thought it had been “adopted” early on (40’s post war) world wide,
but then many Brits have to work hard at being “frontrunners”. I
understand that you’re beginning to “discover” cold beer as well! Ha!
ha!

With brake systems, it falls into a mechanical (human element) strength
item as the double flares are less likely to crack or split at the
juncture of the tube and bell. The double thickness insures that the
seal is not deep in the funnel where over tightening sometimes shears the
flare off the tube. The fold over gives adequate material thickness and
puts the seal surface up and away from the tube making it less likely to
incur a twist rupture and fluid leak!

Regards,

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Can someone please help me with this? I’d like to see the arrangement of the handbrake cable, the brake line and the two hold straps. I’d like to also see how the brake line reaches the wheel cylinder. ENV axle. I have no references at my disposal. Thank you for your help.

john

The handbrake cable runs underneath the axle.
The brake pipes run above it, curve over the center hump, then curve down to meet the wheel cylinders.
I’ll try to get some pictures tomorrow.

Further to Rob’s remarks, the pic below shows the two original clip types used on the rear axle. You see that the brake line remains on top and (therefore) the handbrake cable is at the underside. Don’t know whether there’s a difference between the versions used on the ENV versus the later Salisbury axles.

The next picture shows an original arrangement with the clip for the handbrake cable. It seems however they forgot to put the brake line under the clip…

Hope this helps.

Bob K.

Well, mine seems to have lost it’s two clips for the handbrake cables. Just the brake pipe clip on the left remains.









Anyway the hose runs into the tee. From the tee the left brake pipe runs over the hump of the differential and to the left spring. The right runs over to the right spring. Then they run over the spring U-bolts, curve slightly to the rear and then curve around forward, then curve down around the front and enter the front of the banjo on the wheel cylinder.
The bleeder is on the rear.

Rob, I can’t thank you enough for the pictures; I couldn’t have done it without them.

Bob K, thanks, it appears the later axle with tandem master cylinder has the line “T” on the left side of the diff. The ENV axle has the “T” on the right side of the diff.

john



John,

Yes mine (April 1954) has the later Tandem brake cylinder.

Bob K.