I need a definitive answer on how the early 3.8 grab handle fits
on the bracket and A post…is the bracket on top of the handle or
bottom…does it sit inside the A post or on top of the A post
vinel…thanks…pw–
Peter Willetts 62 OTS
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In reply to a message from PeteWilletts sent Tue 24 Jul 2012:
Pete look at the JCNA judging guide for that car–if not in there
there are instructions on how to contact the author–he will
respond! I saw what was posted some of it is very incorrect.–
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I need a definitive answer on how the early 3.8 grab handle fits
on the bracket and A post…is the bracket on top of the handle or
bottom…does it sit inside the A post or on top of the A post
vinel…thanks…pw
–
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Columbia SC, United States
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In reply to a message from George Camp sent Tue 24 Jul 2012:
seems like this should be a simple question!–
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Pete look at the JCNA judging guide for that car–if not in there
there are instructions on how to contact the author–he will
respond! I saw what was posted some of it is very incorrect.
–
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In reply to a message from PeteWilletts sent Wed 25 Jul 2012:
It is. That is why the answer was simple.–
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seems like this should be a simple question!
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George … you obviously know the “right” answer, why not just tell the guy
what he wants to know or at least provide him a link to the information and
quit being such an arse. :)----- Original Message -----
From: “George Camp” scjag@juno.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [concours] 3.8 E grab handel bracket
In reply to a message from PeteWilletts sent Wed 25 Jul 2012:
It is. That is why the answer was simple.
In reply to a message from Bob Hotaling sent Wed 25 Jul 2012:
Bob I answer a lot of questions–here, on other forums and whit
JCNA. I try to teach folks to fish. I also do not accept ‘‘opinion’’
answers to technical questions. I have watched this thread on this
forum and the JCNA forum. Oddly enough he got on the JCNA forum and
was hooked up with the JCNA guide author and will be provided pics.
That answer will be documented and official. As far as being an
arse go look in a mirror. When you help a few hundred folks a month
with things then write back. Bob I will also tell you I have a bit
od experience in these areas and one question leads to another so
before long the thing to do is consult the guide where a lot of the
questions are answered. It might be just what you want Bob as it is
free. Please do not worry–your questions will never be weighed
down by any answer from me.–
The original message included these comments:
George … you obviously know the ‘‘right’’ answer, why not just tell the guy
what he wants to know or at least provide him a link to the information and
quit being such an arse.
–
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Columbia SC, United States
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I am continually amazed at people asking technical questions but have not
attempted any research on their own part. If a person has researched the
JCNA website and the Jag-Lovers website and still do not believe they have
the answer then by all means ask us but please do your own research first.
I am restoring a car I did not take apart and the hours of research I have
done has been very rewarding beyond what I would have learned by just asking
a question of the listers.
And as a former JCNA Chief Judge, the different model judging guides on the
JCNA website are extremely valuable to a restorer.
I do not mean this to be a criticism of any particular individual, just
friendly advice.
Len Wheeler
68 E Type
58 XK 150
Tucson----- Original Message -----
From: “George Camp” scjag@juno.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [concours] 3.8 E grab handel bracket
In reply to a message from Bob Hotaling sent Wed 25 Jul 2012:
Bob I answer a lot of questions–here, on other forums and whit
JCNA. I try to teach folks to fish. I also do not accept ‘‘opinion’’
answers to technical questions. I have watched this thread on this
forum and the JCNA forum. Oddly enough he got on the JCNA forum and
was hooked up with the JCNA guide author and will be provided pics.
That answer will be documented and official. As far as being an
arse go look in a mirror. When you help a few hundred folks a month
with things then write back. Bob I will also tell you I have a bit
od experience in these areas and one question leads to another so
before long the thing to do is consult the guide where a lot of the
questions are answered. It might be just what you want Bob as it is
free. Please do not worry–your questions will never be weighed
down by any answer from me.The original message included these comments:
George … you obviously know the ‘‘right’’ answer, why not just tell the
guy
what he wants to know or at least provide him a link to the information
and
quit being such an arse.–
JCRC SE member JCNA Regional Director SE JCNA Auth. Desk
Columbia SC, United States
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In reply to a message from Len Wheeler sent Sun 29 Jul 2012:
Hi
Welcome to this forum site. It is a best forum site for always
to answer your several types of doubt and provide very useful
information that helps me a lot…, but at present I am
not capable to give you any statement. I think you have to
make contact with your colleagues for better answer. I am
sorry for that.
Thanks--------------------
2013 Mercedes Benz SL-Class Reviews and
Price
sheetu
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In reply to a message from Len Wheeler sent Sun 29 Jul 2012:
You are of course correct, Len. When I was restoring my 69 OTS e-
type, the on-line guides were not near as complete or even in
existence. Judges were seldom standardized in their assessments.
It was wonderful to be able to chat with like-minded enthusiasts
who were willing to help, send pics, etc. I don’t recall his name
but there was a fellow up in PA that had a plethora of e-types and
parts available and who was very helpful in checking things
out and sending those ‘‘impossible to find’’ parts. Members of our
local club and others sent pictures (before the ease of digital)
and made the entire process very enjoyable. The car placed very
well nationally a few years back and I’ve gone the ‘‘driven’’ route
since. It’s great to go to a show or even a ride downtown and
share knowledge and stories…some of the best involve deciding
there can be more than one right answer sometimes.
George: Appologies if my use of ‘‘arse’’ with a smiley face upset
you as it was not the intent.
Keep on sharing and keep it friendly and we all win.–
Bob
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George,
I agree with you completely on the “teach them to fish, don’t give them a
fish” philosophy. I see way too many questions on the various email forums
that I am on that could have been answered if the asker only bothered to
look at the Owner Manual, OEM shop manuals, or JCNA Judging Guides for their
car.
I often do exactly what you did and point them to the correct reference,
without answering them directly. Otherwise they won’t learn how to solve
these things themselves, and they will post other similar questions without
bothering to do any research themselves.
Regards,
Paul M. Novak
1990 Series III V12 Vanden Plas
1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
P.M.Novak7@gmail.com-----Original Message-----
From: owner-concours@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-concours@jag-lovers.org]
On Behalf Of George Camp
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:15 PM
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [concours] 3.8 E grab handel bracket
In reply to a message from Bob Hotaling sent Wed 25 Jul 2012:
Bob I answer a lot of questions–here, on other forums and whit
JCNA. I try to teach folks to fish. I also do not accept ‘‘opinion’’
answers to technical questions. I have watched this thread on this
forum and the JCNA forum. Oddly enough he got on the JCNA forum and
was hooked up with the JCNA guide author and will be provided pics.
That answer will be documented and official. As far as being an
arse go look in a mirror. When you help a few hundred folks a month
with things then write back. Bob I will also tell you I have a bit
od experience in these areas and one question leads to another so
before long the thing to do is consult the guide where a lot of the
questions are answered. It might be just what you want Bob as it is
free. Please do not worry–your questions will never be weighed
down by any answer from me.
The original message included these comments:
George … you obviously know the ‘‘right’’ answer, why not just tell the
guy
what he wants to know or at least provide him a link to the information
and
quit being such an arse.
–
JCRC SE member JCNA Regional Director SE JCNA Auth. Desk
Columbia SC, United States
Morning Paul,
You just said what I’m sure many of us have thought for a long time!
When on occasion I see questions that a quick look at the owners
manual or service manual would answer I can’t help but to think of the
people on this forum that did COMPLETE restorations on a E without the
help of any forum!
Bob
889076
Plymouth, Mi.On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:27 PM, Paul M. Novak wrote:
George,
I agree with you completely on the “teach them to fish, don’t give
them a
fish” philosophy. I see way too many questions on the various
email forums
that I am on that could have been answered if the asker only
bothered to
look at the Owner Manual, OEM shop manuals, or JCNA Judging Guides
for their
car.I often do exactly what you did and point them to the correct
reference,
without answering them directly. Otherwise they won’t learn how to
solve
these things themselves, and they will post other similar questions
without
bothering to do any research themselves.Regards,
Paul M. Novak
1990 Series III V12 Vanden Plas
1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
P.M.Novak7@gmail.com-----Original Message-----
From: owner-concours@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-concours@jag-lovers.org
]
On Behalf Of George Camp
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:15 PM
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [concours] 3.8 E grab handel bracketIn reply to a message from Bob Hotaling sent Wed 25 Jul 2012:
Bob I answer a lot of questions–here, on other forums and whit
JCNA. I try to teach folks to fish. I also do not accept ‘‘opinion’’
answers to technical questions. I have watched this thread on this
forum and the JCNA forum. Oddly enough he got on the JCNA forum and
was hooked up with the JCNA guide author and will be provided pics.
That answer will be documented and official. As far as being an
arse go look in a mirror. When you help a few hundred folks a month
with things then write back. Bob I will also tell you I have a bit
od experience in these areas and one question leads to another so
before long the thing to do is consult the guide where a lot of the
questions are answered. It might be just what you want Bob as it is
free. Please do not worry–your questions will never be weighed
down by any answer from me.The original message included these comments:
George … you obviously know the ‘‘right’’ answer, why not just
tell the
guy
what he wants to know or at least provide him a link to the
information
and
quit being such an arse.–
JCRC SE member JCNA Regional Director SE JCNA Auth. Desk
Columbia SC, United States
I’m on the same page as the two of you. The one thing people don’t realize
is that it while it may only take a few seconds to answer the question, you
have to multiply that by a thousand or more for all the people who read the
question now and in the archives for time immemorial, but who don’t tap out
an answer. Besides, how do you know the answer you’re getting is correct?
George knows a lot, but he doesn’t know everything. It’s not like you’re
going to get a concours judge to change an authenticity ruling based on a
Jag-Lovers e-mail. You will get an erroneous ruling overturned based on
factory references.
If one finds conflicting information from various sources or something isn’t
clear, that’s worth a search of the archives and a good discussion, but if
the information is readily available in factory literature, you don’t want
to spend time and money (sometimes lots) re-restoring something because of
an incorrect answer.
A word of advice: If you have researched and are still left scratching your
head, it’s beneficial to note that in your query. A lot more of the
knowledgeable members seem to respond when they’ve known you’ve done a
little legwork yourself.
“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson Phoenix, AZ
52 XK120 S673129; 59 Mark 1; 84, 85, 86, 95 XJ6-----Original Message-----
From: owner-concours@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-concours@jag-lovers.org]
On Behalf Of Stevenson Robert
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:47 AM
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [concours] 3.8 E grab handel bracket
Morning Paul,
You just said what I’m sure many of us have thought for a long
time!
When on occasion I see questions that a quick look at the owners manual or
service manual would answer I can’t help but to think of the people on this
forum that did COMPLETE restorations on a E without the help of any forum!
Bob
889076
Plymouth, Mi.
On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:27 PM, Paul M. Novak wrote:
George,
I agree with you completely on the “teach them to fish, don’t give
them a
fish” philosophy. I see way too many questions on the various
email forums
that I am on that could have been answered if the asker only bothered
to look at the Owner Manual, OEM shop manuals, or JCNA Judging Guides
for their car.I often do exactly what you did and point them to the correct
reference, without answering them directly. Otherwise they won’t
learn how to solve these things themselves, and they will post other
similar questions without bothering to do any research themselves.Regards,
Paul M. Novak
1990 Series III V12 Vanden Plas
1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
P.M.Novak7@gmail.com-----Original Message-----
From: owner-concours@jag-lovers.org
[mailto:owner-concours@jag-lovers.org
]
On Behalf Of George Camp
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 1:15 PM
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [concours] 3.8 E grab handel bracketIn reply to a message from Bob Hotaling sent Wed 25 Jul 2012:
Bob I answer a lot of questions–here, on other forums and whit JCNA.
I try to teach folks to fish. I also do not accept ‘‘opinion’’
answers to technical questions. I have watched this thread on this
forum and the JCNA forum. Oddly enough he got on the JCNA forum and
was hooked up with the JCNA guide author and will be provided pics.
That answer will be documented and official. As far as being an arse
go look in a mirror. When you help a few hundred folks a month with
things then write back. Bob I will also tell you I have a bit od
experience in these areas and one question leads to another so before
long the thing to do is consult the guide where a lot of the questions
are answered. It might be just what you want Bob as it is free. Please
do not worry–your questions will never be weighed down by any answer
from me.The original message included these comments:
George … you obviously know the ‘‘right’’ answer, why not just tell
the
guy
what he wants to know or at least provide him a link to the
information
and
quit being such an arse.–
JCRC SE member JCNA Regional Director SE JCNA Auth. Desk Columbia SC,
United States
In reply to a message from PeteWilletts sent Tue 24 Jul 2012:
Hi welcome to this forum site,it is very useful site to solve
any type of quries but at the moment I am not able to give you
any comment.i am sorry for that
thanks.--------------
AUTOMOBILES
–
reena
bhopal, India
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In reply to a message from PeteWilletts sent Tue 24 Jul 2012:
Hi welcome to this forum site,it is very useful site to solve
any type of quries but at the moment I am not able to give you
any comment.i am sorry for that
thanks.--------------
AUTOMOBILES
–
reena
bhopal, India
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