In October 1997 the JCNA Protest Committee responded to a concours
entrant who objected to having had points deducted for a missing front
license plate holder on his E-type. The committee researched the the
question and determined that ALL E-types (Ser. 1,2&3) were delivered to
the US with front license plate holders. And therefore, in keeping with
the “as delivered” philosophy, it responded that ALL E-types should have
a front license plate holder. The protest was denied and a
recommendation made that the topic be further discussed at the 1998 AGM.
The only exception was if an owner could show that his car was
originally delivered to a country (not state) that did not require front
license plates.
I’ve not yet found the minutes of the 1998 AGM and can’t verify whether
the requirement was as widely publicized as it should have been. There
is no question as to whether the issue has been dealt with or not and a
ruling made; however, whether or not it is being properly addressed at
every concours is unknown. I know of no judges who have deliberately
looked for the tilting mechanism on series 1 & 2 E-type plate holders,
unless the plate was flopping around or otherwise looked abnormal.
Arizona does not require it.
Used to, changed a few years back. Option to order them at additional fee I
think now.----- Original Message -----
From: “Ron Rader” rader@interworld.net
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [concours] Authenticity and FRONT PLATES
Are there any states that still do not have front plates?
Ron
Len and others,
In October 1997 the JCNA Protest Committee responded to a concours
entrant who objected to having had points deducted for a missing front
license plate holder on his E-type. The committee researched the the
question and determined that ALL E-types (Ser. 1,2&3) were delivered to
the US with front license plate holders. And therefore, in keeping with
the “as delivered” philosophy, it responded that ALL E-types should have
a front license plate holder. The protest was denied and a
recommendation made that the topic be further discussed at the 1998 AGM.
The only exception was if an owner could show that his car was
originally delivered to a country (not state) that did not require front
license plates.
I’ve not yet found the minutes of the 1998 AGM and can’t verify whether
the requirement was as widely publicized as it should have been. There
is no question as to whether the issue has been dealt with or not and a
ruling made; however, whether or not it is being properly addressed at
every concours is unknown. I know of no judges who have deliberately
looked for the tilting mechanism on series 1 & 2 E-type plate holders,
unless the plate was flopping around or otherwise looked abnormal.
Len and others,
In October 1997 the JCNA Protest Committee responded to a concours
entrant who objected to having had points deducted for a missing front
license plate holder on his E-type. The committee researched the the
question and determined that ALL E-types (Ser. 1,2&3) were delivered to
the US with front license plate holders. And therefore, in keeping with
the “as delivered” philosophy, it responded that ALL E-types should have
a front license plate holder. The protest was denied and a
recommendation made that the topic be further discussed at the 1998 AGM.
The only exception was if an owner could show that his car was
originally delivered to a country (not state) that did not require front
license plates.
I’ve not yet found the minutes of the 1998 AGM and can’t verify whether
the requirement was as widely publicized as it should have been. There
is no question as to whether the issue has been dealt with or not and a
ruling made; however, whether or not it is being properly addressed at
every concours is unknown. I know of no judges who have deliberately
looked for the tilting mechanism on series 1 & 2 E-type plate holders,
unless the plate was flopping around or otherwise looked abnormal.
Dick and others,
As a matter of fact, that’s the very protest I had in mind when I
originally asked the question. It was on my mind because it came up this
year with an E-type that is registered in Washington State, which I’m told
DOES NOT require front license plates. I JUST HAPPEN to have kept a summary
that I sent to the entrant after we got back home. It follows my signature.
I was struck by the different views expressed by the Protest Committee. It
left things unclear to me which is one reason I asked about the Parts
Catalog and so on. Please forgive the minor editorial at the end of the
summary. Did I give the gentleman bad advice? If I followed it strictly, 7"
headlights would be TOAST! Same with Kent Alloys, specifically listed as an
alternative wheel in the Parts Catalog.
-Steve A.
'67 E Type Coupe
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40
SA> Amazingly enough, I was able to find the protest ruling on E-type
SA> front license plate carriers. Here’s the synopsis:
SA>
SA> The protest was discussed in the Nov/Dec 1997 Jaguar Journal. The
SA> protest was filed by Alan Wiedie who was deducted 3 points at the
SA> 1997 Biennial Meet. Wiedie’s protest letter was pretty long, but
SA> basically it amounted to “no one ever deducts for it and there’s a
SA> standard Jaguar part for when it isn’t installed so how come I got
SA> zapped with no warning?” The response from the protest committee
SA> basically said “Jaguar shipped them to the US that way.” They did
SA> state “If the state did not require a front plate then the listed
SA> plug would be acceptable.” And they also stated “The Protest
SA> Committee should consider reducing the deduction to no greater than
SA> 1.8 points. JCNA policy is to assign a deduction similar to some
SA> other listed component when the exact … item is not listed. The
SA> 3.0 deduction relates to a missing or wrong material bonnet! The
SA> missing license plate holder compares to a missing spat in my
SA> opinion.” The final word was “Committee Ruling: The front license
SA> plate bracket on the E-type should be installed.”
SA>
SA> My advice is:
SA>
SA> 1. Carefully read through the entire protest and ruling. 2. Either
SA> install the bracket or make sure you’ve got #3 covered. 3. Install
SA> the listed plugs if the car doesn’t have them, and make sure you
SA> have the protest committee ruling along with you along with the
SA> section of Washington State Statute that states “front license
SA> plates aren’t required.” I always thought front license plates WERE
SA> required here. I know they are in Oregon.
SA>
SA> After all this, even if you get zapped, it’ll likely be the 1.8
SA> point deduct rather than the larger one that Wiedie experienced.
SA> You’ll also have the basis for a protest of your very own.
SA>
SA> Personally, I think the car looks much better without a front
SA> license plate (or holder) and that the protest committee had some
SA> rationalizing of a Biennial Meet going on.
Dick Cavicke wrote:>In October 1997 the JCNA Protest Committee responded to a concours
entrant who objected to having had points deducted for a missing front
license plate holder on his E-type. The committee researched the the
question and determined that ALL E-types (Ser. 1,2&3) were delivered to
the US with front license plate holders. And therefore, in keeping with
the “as delivered” philosophy, it responded that ALL E-types should have
a front license plate holder. The protest was denied and a
recommendation made that the topic be further discussed at the 1998 AGM.
The only exception was if an owner could show that his car was
originally delivered to a country (not state) that did not require front
license plates.
I’ve not yet found the minutes of the 1998 AGM and can’t verify whether
the requirement was as widely publicized as it should have been. There
is no question as to whether the issue has been dealt with or not and a
ruling made; however, whether or not it is being properly addressed at
every concours is unknown. I know of no judges who have deliberately
looked for the tilting mechanism on series 1 & 2 E-type plate holders,
unless the plate was flopping around or otherwise looked abnormal.
Pennsylvania is an enlightened state (all right - “commonwealth”) that
does not require the fuel-wasting added weight of a front license plate and
bracket. The only benefit a front license plate affords anyone is the
dubious possibility of identifying the car that hit you (from the
indentions on your skin!)! Kills the vehicle styling and cooling air
flow. No one can see the front plate of a vehicle leaving the scene of a
crime! Probably a good subject for a future “Law and Order” show!
Larry Schear
Twin Cam, Inc.
At 05:34 PM 8/1/01 -0700, you wrote:>Are there any states that still do not have front plates?
Len and others,
In October 1997 the JCNA Protest Committee responded to a concours
entrant who objected to having had points deducted for a missing front
license plate holder on his E-type. The committee researched the the
question and determined that ALL E-types (Ser. 1,2&3) were delivered to
the US with front license plate holders. And therefore, in keeping with
the “as delivered” philosophy, it responded that ALL E-types should have
a front license plate holder. The protest was denied and a
recommendation made that the topic be further discussed at the 1998 AGM.
The only exception was if an owner could show that his car was
originally delivered to a country (not state) that did not require front
license plates.
I’ve not yet found the minutes of the 1998 AGM and can’t verify whether
the requirement was as widely publicized as it should have been. There
is no question as to whether the issue has been dealt with or not and a
ruling made; however, whether or not it is being properly addressed at
every concours is unknown. I know of no judges who have deliberately
looked for the tilting mechanism on series 1 & 2 E-type plate holders,
unless the plate was flopping around or otherwise looked abnormal.
Oklahoma does not require front plates.
Marty
1990 Sovereign----- Original Message -----
From: “Len Wheeler” lenscats@flash.net
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: [concours] Authenticity and FRONT PLATES
Arizona for one !
Ron Rader wrote:
Are there any states that still do not have front plates?
Ron