I am a bit confused… I quess due to restoration of my first 61
early car, I have cked the pixs of cars on XKE data and found color
comb. both ways. owner tells me the upper wishbone was orig natural
aluminum color while lower parts were silver color (lower wishbone
and spindle. I have seen others with both color combos all silver
all black… that were suppose to be orig cars, I don’t want to lose
points for something stupid…–
Currently building 875880 OTS,
Gastonia, North Carolina, United States
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Under JCNA rules, suspension parts are not to be judged.----- Original Message -----
From: “Mark Jagawar” spflow@hotmail.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:39 PM
Subject: [concours] colors of front suspension parts early 3.8
I am a bit confused… I quess due to restoration of my first 61
early car, I have cked the pixs of cars on XKE data and found color
comb. both ways. owner tells me the upper wishbone was orig natural
aluminum color while lower parts were silver color (lower wishbone
and spindle. I have seen others with both color combos all silver
all black… that were suppose to be orig cars, I don’t want to lose
points for something stupid…Currently building 875880 OTS,
Gastonia, North Carolina, United States
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Mark,
I recommend that you download the JCNA Concours Rule Book and the E-Type
Judging Guides and read them carefully (downloads are free, but the hard
copies are available for a very reasonable price and well worth having).
There are a lot of misconceptions about what is judged, and what is
authentic in JCNA concours. If you follow what is in the Rule Book and the
Judging Guides you will be on the correct path. Restoring your car to the
official JCNA documents will put you on solid ground once you are ready for
concours competition.
Regards,
Paul M. Novak
1990 Series III V12 Vanden Plas
1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
P.M.Novak7@gmail.com-----Original Message-----
From: owner-concours@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-concours@jag-lovers.org]
On Behalf Of Len Wheeler
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 3:54 PM
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [concours] colors of front suspension parts early 3.8
Under JCNA rules, suspension parts are not to be judged.
----- Original Message -----
From: “Mark Jagawar” spflow@hotmail.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 2:39 PM
Subject: [concours] colors of front suspension parts early 3.8
I am a bit confused… I quess due to restoration of my first 61
early car, I have cked the pixs of cars on XKE data and found color
comb. both ways. owner tells me the upper wishbone was orig natural
aluminum color while lower parts were silver color (lower wishbone
and spindle. I have seen others with both color combos all silver
all black… that were suppose to be orig cars, I don’t want to lose
points for something stupid…Currently building 875880 OTS,
Gastonia, North Carolina, United States
In reply to a message from Paul M. Novak sent Mon 8 Oct 2012:
I used to be a judge a while back and we judged everything, except
what was no longer avail. like batteries ect. Thanks for the
input…–
The original message included these comments:
There are a lot of misconceptions about what is judged, and what is
authentic in JCNA concours. If you follow what is in the Rule Book and the
–
Currently building 875880 OTS,
Gastonia, North Carolina, United States
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The JCNA Concours rule book is very specific in that front and rear
suspension is not judged just as Paul said. JCNA has tried very hard
to get all of the clubs on the “same page” when judging and it’s very
disturbing to hear that a club, at least some of it’s judges,
apparently are not familiar with the rule book.
Bob
889076
Plymouth, Mi.
BobOn Oct 9, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Mark Jagawar wrote:
In reply to a message from Paul M. Novak sent Mon 8 Oct 2012:
I used to be a judge a while back and we judged everything, except
what was no longer avail. like batteries ect. Thanks for the
input…The original message included these comments:
There are a lot of misconceptions about what is judged, and what is
authentic in JCNA concours. If you follow what is in the Rule
Book and the–
Currently building 875880 OTS,
Gastonia, North Carolina, United States
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Bob,
Some of the concours rules have also changed over time so I find that
the best advice to anyone (Judge or Entrant alike) is to download the
current JCNA Concours Rule Book (and appropriate Judging Guides if
available) and review them for their answer.
However, I have also found that some clubs are more rigorous about
knowing and applying the Concours Rule Book than others. As an example, a
few years ago I assisted in judging at a JCNA concours in another state.
Many of the cars that I judged had their overmats in place and in each case
when I asked the Entrant to remove the overmats they said “why, we don’t do
that here”. I showed each of them (including one who claimed to be a
certified JCNA Judge) the Rule Book information about removing the overmats
and insisted that they remove their overmats or risk disqualification. In
each case the Entrants reluctantly removed their overmats and carpeting
beneath the overmats was dirty and obviously hadn’t been cleaned in a very
long while. Each received numerous deductions from me for that. At a
social event related to the concours some of the Entrants came over to me
and mentioned that I was the first Judge to ever ask them to remove their
overmats, and they had been participating in concours for many years. It
was as if none of them (including one who claimed to be a current JCNA
certified Judge) had heard about removing overmats before.
Regards,
Paul M. Novak
1990 Series III V12 Vanden Plas
1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
P.M.Novak7@gmail.com-----Original Message-----
From: owner-concours@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-concours@jag-lovers.org]
On Behalf Of Stevenson Robert
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:43 AM
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [concours] colors of front suspension parts early 3.8
The JCNA Concours rule book is very specific in that front and rear
suspension is not judged just as Paul said. JCNA has tried very hard to get
all of the clubs on the “same page” when judging and it’s very disturbing to
hear that a club, at least some of it’s judges, apparently are not familiar
with the rule book.
Bob
889076
Plymouth, Mi.
Bob
On Oct 9, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Mark Jagawar wrote:
In reply to a message from Paul M. Novak sent Mon 8 Oct 2012:
I used to be a judge a while back and we judged everything, except
what was no longer avail. like batteries ect. Thanks for the input…The original message included these comments:
There are a lot of misconceptions about what is judged, and what is
authentic in JCNA concours. If you follow what is in the Rule
Book and the–
Currently building 875880 OTS,
As a former Chief Judge for a JCNA affiliate club, I was always amazed at
how many participants had not bothered to read the rule book, or even
download the Judges Guide for their particular model car. Frankly if I could
get the Judges to read the Rule book I considered it an accomplishment. I
once awarded a Second place trophy to a Jaguar 220 because the owner had not
bothered to wash the car prior to entering it. He was incensed that he did
not get a First place since his car was the only one in it’s class. Dick
Cavicke does an incredible job of keeping the Chief Judges informed on rule
changes and updating the Concours Rule Book.
Len Wheeler
Tucson, AZ----- Original Message -----
From: “Paul M. Novak” p.m.novak7@gmail.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: [concours] colors of front suspension parts early 3.8
Bob,
Some of the concours rules have also changed over time so I find that
the best advice to anyone (Judge or Entrant alike) is to download the
current JCNA Concours Rule Book (and appropriate Judging Guides if
available) and review them for their answer.
However, I have also found that some clubs are more rigorous about
knowing and applying the Concours Rule Book than others. As an example, a
few years ago I assisted in judging at a JCNA concours in another state.
Many of the cars that I judged had their overmats in place and in each case
when I asked the Entrant to remove the overmats they said “why, we don’t do
that here”. I showed each of them (including one who claimed to be a
certified JCNA Judge) the Rule Book information about removing the overmats
and insisted that they remove their overmats or risk disqualification. In
each case the Entrants reluctantly removed their overmats and carpeting
beneath the overmats was dirty and obviously hadn’t been cleaned in a very
long while. Each received numerous deductions from me for that. At a
social event related to the concours some of the Entrants came over to me
and mentioned that I was the first Judge to ever ask them to remove their
overmats, and they had been participating in concours for many years. It
was as if none of them (including one who claimed to be a current JCNA
certified Judge) had heard about removing overmats before.
Regards,
Paul M. Novak
1990 Series III V12 Vanden Plas
1990 XJ-S Classic Collection convertible
1987 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1984 XJ6 Vanden Plas
1969 E-Type FHC
1957 MK VIII Saloon
Ramona, CA
P.M.Novak7@gmail.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-concours@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-concours@jag-lovers.org]
On Behalf Of Stevenson Robert
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:43 AM
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [concours] colors of front suspension parts early 3.8
The JCNA Concours rule book is very specific in that front and rear
suspension is not judged just as Paul said. JCNA has tried very hard to get
all of the clubs on the “same page” when judging and it’s very disturbing to
hear that a club, at least some of it’s judges, apparently are not familiar
with the rule book.
Bob
889076
Plymouth, Mi.
Bob
On Oct 9, 2012, at 10:29 AM, Mark Jagawar wrote:
In reply to a message from Paul M. Novak sent Mon 8 Oct 2012:
I used to be a judge a while back and we judged everything, except
what was no longer avail. like batteries ect. Thanks for the input…The original message included these comments:
There are a lot of misconceptions about what is judged, and what is
authentic in JCNA concours. If you follow what is in the Rule
Book and the–
Currently building 875880 OTS,
In reply to a message from Len Wheeler sent Tue 9 Oct 2012:
When I first started entering in concours it was a Good ole boy
club it didn’t matter if you had the best car just if you were one
of the in crowd of the club. tragicly we lost some good people with
exceptional cars who never came back… When I took over as chief
judge later on I insisted that my judges Judged the car and not the
person…who owned it… And yes we all read the rule book…–
Currently building 875880 OTS,
Gastonia, North Carolina, United States
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