[concours] Fasteners

In a message dated 5/19/2006 3:57:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
judgejamescollins@comcast.net writes:

Dear Listers, advice, please. In September I will be reassembling
my 1958 XK150S OTS LHD, after a long restoration. Every component
has been rebuilt or refurbrished. It is all original and numbers
matching. Fortunately, I have most of the original fastners. I
hope to achieve a show/driver level of finish, but I do intend to
drive and enjoy the Jag. Questions, please: for load bearing
fastners, should one use new, high strength fastners for safety?
If so, sources for fastners, techniques for applying original
looking finish? Points lost in judging? Is there a guide availabe,
similar to the E-type guides at JCNA, for the finishes of various
components in the XK range? Thanks, Jim Collins, Massachusetts,
USA

I regret not reusing as many of my old fasteners as possible. Were I you, I
would have them all sent to a plater and have a black oxide finish applied.
If you have any which are bent, stripped, or not pristine, I would buy
identical Gr 5 bolts and have them also black oxide coated to replace just those
which are damaged.
Best Regards, Mike Moore .

In reply to a message from MMoore8425@aol.com sent Sat 20 May 2006:

Mike,

Thanks for the advice. If necessary, is there a source for British
bolts that are as close to original as possible. I understand that
the original manufacturers, e.g. BEES, are no longer in business.
Also, is black oxide the most durable of finishes? Thanks, Jim–
XKS150
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In a message dated 5/21/2006 7:49:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
judgejamescollins@comcast.net writes:
In reply to a message from @MMoore8425 sent Sat 20 May 2006:

Mike,

Thanks for the advice. If necessary, is there a source for British
bolts that are as close to original as possible. I understand that
the original manufacturers, e.g. BEES, are no longer in business.
Also, is black oxide the most durable of finishes? Thanks, Jim–
XKS150
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Sorry, I can’t answer either of your questions. You might ask a plater.
Where are you located? How many bolts are you short?

Best Regards, Mike Moore

In reply to a message from MMoore8425@aol.com sent Sat 20 May 2006:

I assume you have an original parts manual. If so, there is
a very useful fastner decoder for bolts, nuts, etc. at:

http://www.xkebooks.com/images/2.%20Decoding%20Fastners..pdf

Richard Liggitt–
'70 E Roadster 1R11998, '98 XK8 Roadster, www.XKEBooks.com
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In reply to a message from Richard L. sent Sun 4 Jun 2006:

Richard, thank you very much The decoder is very helpful. All the
best, Jim–
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Hello everyone,

In Concours Judging, are replacement bolts and nut fasteners
considered in evaluation, if not original manufacturer.
ie: whitworth (bees) exchanged with SAE of equal sizes.

Thanks for any feedback.
popop–
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Visible fasteners in judged areas such as subframes, motor mounts etc
are judged for authenticity. Download Chapter 6 of the JCNA Concours
rule book, it will answer all of your questions concerning JCNA judging.
Bob
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Plymouth, Mi.On Sep 13, 2012, at 5:01 PM, popop wrote:

Hello everyone,

In Concours Judging, are replacement bolts and nut fasteners
considered in evaluation, if not original manufacturer.
ie: whitworth (bees) exchanged with SAE of equal sizes.

Thanks for any feedback.
popop

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In reply to a message from popop sent Thu 13 Sep 2012:

If you are going to go to the trouble of doing a restoration… why
not do it right? rather than cut corners and hope nobody catches
you at it? Ther are too many of those out there already! Devil is
in the details!..but that is why the best restorations go for silly
$$.–
godfrey
pender island bc, Canada
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Guess it all depends on your perspective.
Original, Old, Stretched bolts that may or may not be structurally safe, that have then been subjected to a blast, chemical dip and recoat.
I wouldnt reuse rod bolts in rebuilding an engine. I bet most people dont reuse those old cotter pinned original rod bolts. But thats an engine.
I guess for areas that dont require a certain level of strength, 60 yr old Bees headstamps are just fine…