In the hope that someone will find this of interest (can I be the only one
interested in details?), I’d like to comment further on the late S3 V12
saloons. Very few people on this list are familiar with the post-87 S3.
In fact we spent the early years on the Jag-lovers list fighting the notion
that S3 production ended in 86 (yes, 86, or so many Americans claimed).
Briefly: the last S3 xj6 was produced in the Spring of 87; the xj40 was
being made alongside and was already on sale in the UK. But the S3 continued
until December 1992 in V12 form. These magnificent cars were never available
in the US which explains why many thought they did not exist. Canadians,
Brits and Germans (possibly others) know better because the S3 continued for
sale in those markets.
I have stated, simplistically, that the US xj6 VDP S3 was a
Daimler-trimmed xj6, rebadged. This is true. I have also stated that the
Canadian S3 Vanden Plas was a Daimler Double Six rebadged. And this is true,
but not complete. Beginning in 1988, after production of the six cylinder S3
ended, the V12 Jaguars sent to Canada were equivalent to the V12 Jaguar
Sovereigns for sale in the UK and Germany. (The 92 car, however, was
different; once again, it was a Double Six, rebadged; see Jagcare for
details).
Now that I have a 1988 V12 Jaguar Vanden Plas in the garage, I am
motivated to refine the above information. The 88 to 91 VDP cars for the
Canadian market are a hybrid of the Jaguar Sovereign and the Daimler Double
Six. They have the Jaguar Sovereign seats (much more comfortable than the
Daimler seats), but the door panels and the inlaid fillets, the dashboard
with the partially recessed instruments and vents, the stitched leather
armrests, the full leather…all of this is the “upmarket” Daimler
specification. The ultimate Jaguar. No, hold on, the ultimate Jaguar is one
of the last 100 1992 models with contrasting piping, a brass dash plaque
giving the number of that particular car…I know several, including one
gorgeous concours winner, and one VERY sad, very abused car (good for
salvage only), both for sale.
Gregory
Gregory,
Interesting stuff. You should know, though, that for quite some time the
trim levels in various markets have differed quite a bit. Jaguar chose to
equip and badge cars in various ways for different target countries. In the
US, for instance, Jaguar could not use the Daimler name and so they decided to
use Vanden Plas. In the case of the early XJ40s, 1988 and 1989 at least, there
was no true base level car; they were all Sovereigns but simply badged XJ6.
This continues, I’m sure, today and simply reflects what the target market
desires. Jaguar is certainly not alone in this as other manufacturers do the
same thing.-
Pete Crosby (@Pete_Crosby)
In the sunny southland (Marietta, Georgia, USA)
'88 BRG XJ40
'60 BRG MKII
----- Original Message -----
From: “Dr Gregory Andrachuk” mgb@UVVM.UVIC.CA
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Cc: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, 07 June, 2000 17:24
Subject: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDP
In the hope that someone will find this of interest (can I be the only one
interested in details?), I’d like to comment further on the late S3 V12
saloons. Very few people on this list are familiar with the post-87 S3.
In fact we spent the early years on the Jag-lovers list fighting the notion
that S3 production ended in 86 (yes, 86, or so many Americans claimed).
Briefly: the last S3 xj6 was produced in the Spring of 87; the xj40 was
being made alongside and was already on sale in the UK. But the S3 continued
until December 1992 in V12 form. These magnificent cars were never available
in the US which explains why many thought they did not exist. Canadians,
Brits and Germans (possibly others) know better because the S3 continued for
sale in those markets.
I have stated, simplistically, that the US xj6 VDP S3 was a
Daimler-trimmed xj6, rebadged. This is true. I have also stated that the
Canadian S3 Vanden Plas was a Daimler Double Six rebadged. And this is true,
but not complete. Beginning in 1988, after production of the six cylinder S3
ended, the V12 Jaguars sent to Canada were equivalent to the V12 Jaguar
Sovereigns for sale in the UK and Germany. (The 92 car, however, was
different; once again, it was a Double Six, rebadged; see Jagcare for
details).
Now that I have a 1988 V12 Jaguar Vanden Plas in the garage, I am
motivated to refine the above information. The 88 to 91 VDP cars for the
Canadian market are a hybrid of the Jaguar Sovereign and the Daimler Double
Six. They have the Jaguar Sovereign seats (much more comfortable than the
Daimler seats), but the door panels and the inlaid fillets, the dashboard
with the partially recessed instruments and vents, the stitched leather
armrests, the full leather…all of this is the “upmarket” Daimler
specification. The ultimate Jaguar. No, hold on, the ultimate Jaguar is one
of the last 100 1992 models with contrasting piping, a brass dash plaque
giving the number of that particular car…I know several, including one
gorgeous concours winner, and one VERY sad, very abused car (good for
salvage only), both for sale.
Gregory
Peter: thanks for the reply. I am aware of the Daimler trademark problem
which prevented marketing that name in Canada, the US and Germany: this was
one of the principal reasons for the introduction of the Sovereign model in
84 as the top-line Jaguar in some markets, to fill that niche. In Canada the
Sovereign was placed between the xj6 and the V12 Vanden Plas. The S3
Sovereign was not sold in the US as it was is essentially the same as the US
xj6 VDP. The xj40 models were not all Sovereigns as you suggest, at least
not in Canada. Quite the contrary. The Canadian 1988 brochure lists both the
xj6 and the Sovereign as distinct models, the Sovereign being fitted with
what we would call �"VDP" trim: the reason for this is that this xj40
Sovereign was the top-line 6 cylinder car. At the same time the S3 V12 was
still the flagship of the Jaguar line and was sold in the same showrooms.
The US model line was quite different, and as with the S3, did not represent
the full Jaguar offerings. For a brief time, we also had the “economy” xj6
Executive (no sunroof, no electronic suspension - a relief, as it turned
out). Short lived as we expect Jaguars to be fully equipped, and “Options:
NONE” as the brochure says.
Gregory----- Original Message -----
From: “Pete Crosby” pac@atl.hp.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: jueves, 08 de junio de 2000 4:20
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDP
Gregory,
Interesting stuff. You should know, though, that for quite some time the
trim levels in various markets have differed quite a bit. Jaguar chose to
equip and badge cars in various ways for different target countries. In
the
US, for instance, Jaguar could not use the Daimler name and so they
decided to
use Vanden Plas. In the case of the early XJ40s, 1988 and 1989 at least,
there
was no true base level car; they were all Sovereigns but simply badged
XJ6.
This continues, I’m sure, today and simply reflects what the target market
desires. Jaguar is certainly not alone in this as other manufacturers do
the
same thing.
Pete Crosby (pac@atl.hp.com)
In the sunny southland (Marietta, Georgia, USA)
'88 BRG XJ40
'60 BRG MKII----- Original Message -----
From: “Dr Gregory Andrachuk” <@Gregory_Andrachuk>
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Cc: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, 07 June, 2000 17:24
Subject: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDPIn the hope that someone will find this of interest (can I be the only
one
interested in details?), I’d like to comment further on the late S3 V12
saloons. Very few people on this list are familiar with the post-87
S3.
In fact we spent the early years on the Jag-lovers list fighting the
notion
that S3 production ended in 86 (yes, 86, or so many Americans claimed).
Briefly: the last S3 xj6 was produced in the Spring of 87; the xj40 was
being made alongside and was already on sale in the UK. But the S3
continued
until December 1992 in V12 form. These magnificent cars were never
available
in the US which explains why many thought they did not exist. Canadians,
Brits and Germans (possibly others) know better because the S3 continued
for
sale in those markets.
I have stated, simplistically, that the US xj6 VDP S3 was a
Daimler-trimmed xj6, rebadged. This is true. I have also stated that the
Canadian S3 Vanden Plas was a Daimler Double Six rebadged. And this is
true,
but not complete. Beginning in 1988, after production of the six
cylinder S3
ended, the V12 Jaguars sent to Canada were equivalent to the V12 Jaguar
Sovereigns for sale in the UK and Germany. (The 92 car, however, was
different; once again, it was a Double Six, rebadged; see Jagcare for
details).
Now that I have a 1988 V12 Jaguar Vanden Plas in the garage, I am
motivated to refine the above information. The 88 to 91 VDP cars for the
Canadian market are a hybrid of the Jaguar Sovereign and the Daimler
Double
Six. They have the Jaguar Sovereign seats (much more comfortable than
the
Daimler seats), but the door panels and the inlaid fillets, the
dashboard
with the partially recessed instruments and vents, the stitched leather
armrests, the full leather…all of this is the “upmarket” Daimler
specification. The ultimate Jaguar. No, hold on, the ultimate Jaguar is
one
of the last 100 1992 models with contrasting piping, a brass dash plaque
giving the number of that particular car…I know several, including
one
gorgeous concours winner, and one VERY sad, very abused car (good for
salvage only), both for sale.
Gregory
Gregory,
Sorry about any confusion regarding Sovereign as I meant to refer only to the
US market. Behind the glove box on my car, on a horizontal support member, is
handwritten “Sovereign”. I think, in the US, only 2 models are offered each
year: a base car, which is pretty well decked out and equivalent to the UK
Sovereign model, and the VDP, which is equivalent to the Daimler. The only
caveat to that, I think, has been the offering of the V12 up until the late
80’s when I suspect emissions requirements caused Jaguar to drop them from
the US market.
As for “Options: NONE”, that was one thing I remember from back in the early
80’s when I stopped in at the local Ford dealer, who just happened to have
the Jaguar dealership as well. My wife and I, who will probably never be able
to afford a new Jaguar, on a lark took a look at the XJ6 they had and were
enamored by it. We sat in it, never for a moment thinking we would ever have
anything like it, and just dreamed of what it would be like to have one. When
I asked the salesman what options were on the car and what others were
available, he just looked at me and said “None and none; they only come fully
equipped”. It was a fun day for a couple of newlyweds.-
Pete Crosby (@Pete_Crosby)
In the sunny southland (Marietta, Georgia, USA)
'88 BRG XJ40
'60 BRG MKII
----- Original Message -----
From: “Dr Gregory Andrachuk” mgb@UVVM.UVIC.CA
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, 08 June, 2000 13:34
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDP
Peter: thanks for the reply. I am aware of the Daimler trademark problem
which prevented marketing that name in Canada, the US and Germany: this was
one of the principal reasons for the introduction of the Sovereign model in
84 as the top-line Jaguar in some markets, to fill that niche. In Canada the
Sovereign was placed between the xj6 and the V12 Vanden Plas. The S3
Sovereign was not sold in the US as it was is essentially the same as the US
xj6 VDP. The xj40 models were not all Sovereigns as you suggest, at least
not in Canada. Quite the contrary. The Canadian 1988 brochure lists both the
xj6 and the Sovereign as distinct models, the Sovereign being fitted with
what we would call �"VDP" trim: the reason for this is that this xj40
Sovereign was the top-line 6 cylinder car. At the same time the S3 V12 was
still the flagship of the Jaguar line and was sold in the same showrooms.
The US model line was quite different, and as with the S3, did not represent
the full Jaguar offerings. For a brief time, we also had the “economy” xj6
Executive (no sunroof, no electronic suspension - a relief, as it turned
out). Short lived as we expect Jaguars to be fully equipped, and “Options:
NONE” as the brochure says.
Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: “Pete Crosby” <@Pete_Crosby>
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: jueves, 08 de junio de 2000 4:20
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDPGregory,
Interesting stuff. You should know, though, that for quite some time the
trim levels in various markets have differed quite a bit. Jaguar chose to
equip and badge cars in various ways for different target countries. In
the
US, for instance, Jaguar could not use the Daimler name and so they
decided to
use Vanden Plas. In the case of the early XJ40s, 1988 and 1989 at least,
there
was no true base level car; they were all Sovereigns but simply badged
XJ6.
This continues, I’m sure, today and simply reflects what the target market
desires. Jaguar is certainly not alone in this as other manufacturers do
the
same thing.
Pete Crosby (@Pete_Crosby)
In the sunny southland (Marietta, Georgia, USA)
'88 BRG XJ40
'60 BRG MKII----- Original Message -----
From: “Dr Gregory Andrachuk” mgb@UVVM.UVIC.CA
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Cc: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, 07 June, 2000 17:24
Subject: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDPIn the hope that someone will find this of interest (can I be the only
one
interested in details?), I’d like to comment further on the late S3 V12
saloons. Very few people on this list are familiar with the post-87
S3.
In fact we spent the early years on the Jag-lovers list fighting the
notion
that S3 production ended in 86 (yes, 86, or so many Americans claimed).
Briefly: the last S3 xj6 was produced in the Spring of 87; the xj40 was
being made alongside and was already on sale in the UK. But the S3
continued
until December 1992 in V12 form. These magnificent cars were never
available
in the US which explains why many thought they did not exist. Canadians,
Brits and Germans (possibly others) know better because the S3 continued
for
sale in those markets.
I have stated, simplistically, that the US xj6 VDP S3 was a
Daimler-trimmed xj6, rebadged. This is true. I have also stated that the
Canadian S3 Vanden Plas was a Daimler Double Six rebadged. And this is
true,
but not complete. Beginning in 1988, after production of the six
cylinder S3
ended, the V12 Jaguars sent to Canada were equivalent to the V12 Jaguar
Sovereigns for sale in the UK and Germany. (The 92 car, however, was
different; once again, it was a Double Six, rebadged; see Jagcare for
details).
Now that I have a 1988 V12 Jaguar Vanden Plas in the garage, I am
motivated to refine the above information. The 88 to 91 VDP cars for the
Canadian market are a hybrid of the Jaguar Sovereign and the Daimler
Double
Six. They have the Jaguar Sovereign seats (much more comfortable than
the
Daimler seats), but the door panels and the inlaid fillets, the
dashboard
with the partially recessed instruments and vents, the stitched leather
armrests, the full leather…all of this is the “upmarket” Daimler
specification. The ultimate Jaguar. No, hold on, the ultimate Jaguar is
one
of the last 100 1992 models with contrasting piping, a brass dash plaque
giving the number of that particular car…I know several, including
one
gorgeous concours winner, and one VERY sad, very abused car (good for
salvage only), both for sale.
Gregory
Pete: thanks for the reply. V12s: in fact there was no V12 saloon sold in
the US from 1979 (Series III introduction) to 1992. This was the span of
Series III production and the V12 was not marketed in the US in this body
(actually, 6 of them apparently entered in 79 before Jaguar pulled the plug,
but that is it.). It may be of interest that I just found out today that the
first owner of my V12 (88 VDP) bought an 88 Sovereign and within two weeks
exchanged it for this VDP. The Sovereign, of course was a 4.2 car, but
otherwise almost identical to the VDP. I guess he really wanted a 12
cylinder car! This exchange is noted by the dealer on the original invoice
for the V12.
Gregory----- Original Message -----
From: “Pete Crosby” pac@atl.hp.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: jueves, 08 de junio de 2000 11:36
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDP
Gregory,
Sorry about any confusion regarding Sovereign as I meant to refer only to
the
US market. Behind the glove box on my car, on a horizontal support member,
is
handwritten “Sovereign”. I think, in the US, only 2 models are offered each
year: a base car, which is pretty well decked out and equivalent to the UK
Sovereign model, and the VDP, which is equivalent to the Daimler. The only
caveat to that, I think, has been the offering of the V12 up until the late
80’s when I suspect emissions requirements caused Jaguar to drop them from
the US market.
As for “Options: NONE”, that was one thing I remember from back in the early
80’s when I stopped in at the local Ford dealer, who just happened to have
the Jaguar dealership as well. My wife and I, who will probably never be
able
to afford a new Jaguar, on a lark took a look at the XJ6 they had and were
enamored by it. We sat in it, never for a moment thinking we would ever have
anything like it, and just dreamed of what it would be like to have one.
When
I asked the salesman what options were on the car and what others were
available, he just looked at me and said “None and none; they only come
fully
equipped”. It was a fun day for a couple of newlyweds.
Pete Crosby (pac@atl.hp.com)
In the sunny southland (Marietta, Georgia, USA)
'88 BRG XJ40
'60 BRG MKII
----- Original Message -----
From: “Dr Gregory Andrachuk” <@Gregory_Andrachuk>
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, 08 June, 2000 13:34
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDP
Peter: thanks for the reply. I am aware of the Daimler trademark problem
which prevented marketing that name in Canada, the US and Germany: this
was
one of the principal reasons for the introduction of the Sovereign model
in
84 as the top-line Jaguar in some markets, to fill that niche. In Canada
the
Sovereign was placed between the xj6 and the V12 Vanden Plas. The S3
Sovereign was not sold in the US as it was is essentially the same as the
US
xj6 VDP. The xj40 models were not all Sovereigns as you suggest, at least
not in Canada. Quite the contrary. The Canadian 1988 brochure lists both
the
xj6 and the Sovereign as distinct models, the Sovereign being fitted with
what we would call �"VDP" trim: the reason for this is that this xj40
Sovereign was the top-line 6 cylinder car. At the same time the S3 V12 was
still the flagship of the Jaguar line and was sold in the same showrooms.
The US model line was quite different, and as with the S3, did not
represent
the full Jaguar offerings. For a brief time, we also had the “economy” xj6
Executive (no sunroof, no electronic suspension - a relief, as it turned
out). Short lived as we expect Jaguars to be fully equipped, and “Options:
NONE” as the brochure says.
Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: “Pete Crosby” pac@atl.hp.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: jueves, 08 de junio de 2000 4:20
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDPGregory,
Interesting stuff. You should know, though, that for quite some time the
trim levels in various markets have differed quite a bit. Jaguar chose
to
equip and badge cars in various ways for different target countries. In
the
US, for instance, Jaguar could not use the Daimler name and so they
decided to
use Vanden Plas. In the case of the early XJ40s, 1988 and 1989 at least,
there
was no true base level car; they were all Sovereigns but simply badged
XJ6.
This continues, I’m sure, today and simply reflects what the target
market
desires. Jaguar is certainly not alone in this as other manufacturers do
the
same thing.
Pete Crosby (pac@atl.hp.com)
In the sunny southland (Marietta, Georgia, USA)
'88 BRG XJ40
'60 BRG MKII----- Original Message -----
From: “Dr Gregory Andrachuk” <@Gregory_Andrachuk>
To: xj@jag-lovers.org
Cc: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, 07 June, 2000 17:24
Subject: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDPIn the hope that someone will find this of interest (can I be the only
one
interested in details?), I’d like to comment further on the late S3
V12
saloons. Very few people on this list are familiar with the
post-87
S3.
In fact we spent the early years on the Jag-lovers list fighting the
notion
that S3 production ended in 86 (yes, 86, or so many Americans
claimed).
Briefly: the last S3 xj6 was produced in the Spring of 87; the xj40
was
being made alongside and was already on sale in the UK. But the S3
continued
until December 1992 in V12 form. These magnificent cars were never
available
in the US which explains why many thought they did not exist.
Canadians,
Brits and Germans (possibly others) know better because the S3
continued
for
sale in those markets.
I have stated, simplistically, that the US xj6 VDP S3 was a
Daimler-trimmed xj6, rebadged. This is true. I have also stated that
the
Canadian S3 Vanden Plas was a Daimler Double Six rebadged. And this is
true,
but not complete. Beginning in 1988, after production of the six
cylinder S3
ended, the V12 Jaguars sent to Canada were equivalent to the V12
Jaguar
Sovereigns for sale in the UK and Germany. (The 92 car, however, was
different; once again, it was a Double Six, rebadged; see Jagcare for
details).
Now that I have a 1988 V12 Jaguar Vanden Plas in the garage, I am
motivated to refine the above information. The 88 to 91 VDP cars for
the
Canadian market are a hybrid of the Jaguar Sovereign and the Daimler
Double
Six. They have the Jaguar Sovereign seats (much more comfortable than
the
Daimler seats), but the door panels and the inlaid fillets, the
dashboard
with the partially recessed instruments and vents, the stitched
leather
armrests, the full leather…all of this is the “upmarket” Daimler
specification. The ultimate Jaguar. No, hold on, the ultimate Jaguar
is
one
of the last 100 1992 models with contrasting piping, a brass dash
plaque
giving the number of that particular car…I know several, including
one
gorgeous concours winner, and one VERY sad, very abused car (good for
salvage only), both for sale.
Gregory
Gregory,
Now that is quite interesting. I had thought some V12 SIIIs were sold in
the US. I assumed since the XJ-S was sold with that engine that the saloon
was also available with it. Extrapolating on that, I had figured when the
XJ40 came along and there was demand for the V12 still that they had decided
not to do the EPA testing to bring it to the US but had continued to market
it in other countries. Live and learn. Thanks for the info.-
Pete Crosby
----- Original Message -----
From: “Dr Gregory Andrachuk” mgb@UVVM.UVIC.CA
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, 08 June, 2000 21:18
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDP
Pete: thanks for the reply. V12s: in fact there was no V12 saloon sold in
the US from 1979 (Series III introduction) to 1992. This was the span of
Series III production and the V12 was not marketed in the US in this body
(actually, 6 of them apparently entered in 79 before Jaguar pulled the plug,
but that is it.). It may be of interest that I just found out today that the
first owner of my V12 (88 VDP) bought an 88 Sovereign and within two weeks
exchanged it for this VDP. The Sovereign, of course was a 4.2 car, but
otherwise almost identical to the VDP. I guess he really wanted a 12
cylinder car! This exchange is noted by the dealer on the original invoice
for the V12.
Gregory
Pete: yes, it is curious that the V12 was available in the XJS, but not in
the S3 in the US. That is why it is almost impossible to import a S3 V12
into the States; there are some (including a 1987 VDP that I used to own),
but they are few and far between, imported from Canada or Germany. They are
truly magnificent cars.
Gregory----- Original Message -----
From: “Pete Crosby” pac@atl.hp.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: viernes, 09 de junio de 2000 5:24
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDP
Gregory,
Now that is quite interesting. I had thought some V12 SIIIs were sold in
the US. I assumed since the XJ-S was sold with that engine that the saloon
was also available with it. Extrapolating on that, I had figured when the
XJ40 came along and there was demand for the V12 still that they had
decided
not to do the EPA testing to bring it to the US but had continued to
market
it in other countries. Live and learn. Thanks for the info.
Pete Crosby
----- Original Message -----
From: “Dr Gregory Andrachuk” <@Gregory_Andrachuk>
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, 08 June, 2000 21:18
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDPPete: thanks for the reply. V12s: in fact there was no V12 saloon sold
in
the US from 1979 (Series III introduction) to 1992. This was the span of
Series III production and the V12 was not marketed in the US in this
body
(actually, 6 of them apparently entered in 79 before Jaguar pulled the
plug,
but that is it.). It may be of interest that I just found out today that
the
first owner of my V12 (88 VDP) bought an 88 Sovereign and within two
weeks
exchanged it for this VDP. The Sovereign, of course was a 4.2 car, but
otherwise almost identical to the VDP. I guess he really wanted a 12
cylinder car! This exchange is noted by the dealer on the original
invoice
for the V12.
Gregory
one of our members ( south florida jaguar club ) imported a mid eighties
Double Six which he owned in Germany. major headache and $ to comply and get
it thru.
Pascal
Miami, FL----- Original Message -----
From: Dr Gregory Andrachuk mgb@UVVM.UVIC.CA
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDP
Pete: yes, it is curious that the V12 was available in the XJS, but not in
the S3 in the US. That is why it is almost impossible to import a S3 V12
into the States; there are some (including a 1987 VDP that I used to own),
but they are few and far between, imported from Canada or Germany. They
are
truly magnificent cars.
Gregory
----- Original Message -----
From: “Pete Crosby” pac@atl.hp.com
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: viernes, 09 de junio de 2000 5:24
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDPGregory,
Now that is quite interesting. I had thought some V12 SIIIs were sold in
the US. I assumed since the XJ-S was sold with that engine that the
saloon
was also available with it. Extrapolating on that, I had figured when
the
XJ40 came along and there was demand for the V12 still that they had
decided
not to do the EPA testing to bring it to the US but had continued to
market
it in other countries. Live and learn. Thanks for the info.
Pete Crosby
----- Original Message -----
From: “Dr Gregory Andrachuk” mgb@UVVM.UVIC.CA
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Cc: xj@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, 08 June, 2000 21:18
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDPPete: thanks for the reply. V12s: in fact there was no V12 saloon sold
in
the US from 1979 (Series III introduction) to 1992. This was the span
of
Series III production and the V12 was not marketed in the US in this
body
(actually, 6 of them apparently entered in 79 before Jaguar pulled the
plug,
but that is it.). It may be of interest that I just found out today
that
the
first owner of my V12 (88 VDP) bought an 88 Sovereign and within two
weeks
exchanged it for this VDP. The Sovereign, of course was a 4.2 car, but
otherwise almost identical to the VDP. I guess he really wanted a 12
cylinder car! This exchange is noted by the dealer on the original
invoice
for the V12.
Gregory
I read that it was driven by the need for Jaguar to avoid larger gas
guzzler taxes in the US. Makes sense to me. I can’t believe it was for much
of any other reason. Model differentiation can’t explain it, nor can crash
testing, nor emissions. But if Jaguar sold more bad-mileage cars, it WOULD
hurt the entire range.
-Steve A.
'67 E Type Coupe - Almost ready to roll to Leavenworth…
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40
Dr Gregory Andrachuk writes:>Pete: yes, it is curious that the V12 was available in the XJS, but not in
the S3 in the US.
Steve: you are exactly correct. It was the US CAFE ratings that squashed the
V12 S3 car in the US. See you next week!
Gregory----- Original Message -----
From: “Steve Averill” averill@earthlink.net
To: concours@jag-lovers.org
Sent: viernes, 23 de junio de 2000 21:22
Subject: Re: [concours] late S3 (88 to 92) VDP
I read that it was driven by the need for Jaguar to avoid larger gas
guzzler taxes in the US. Makes sense to me. I can’t believe it was for
much
of any other reason. Model differentiation can’t explain it, nor can crash
testing, nor emissions. But if Jaguar sold more bad-mileage cars, it WOULD
hurt the entire range.-Steve A.'67 E Type Coupe - Almost ready to roll to Leavenworth…
'76 XJ6C
'91 XJ40Dr Gregory Andrachuk writes:
Pete: yes, it is curious that the V12 was available in the XJS, but not
in
the S3 in the US.