[E-Type] 9600HP Mock up

Hi all,

I’m thinking of converting my '66 coupe to a 9600HP replica for the
50th Anniversary year.

I can even register the car ‘‘9600HP’’.

Just thinking what I would need to do to get it looking as close as
possible without any permanent work.

Remove front motif bar
3.8 Seats
3.8 Dash and console
Rear floor and arch covers
Car already has no mirrors or antenna
3.8 Badge (Get replacement rear door )
Did 9600Hp have silver painted or chromed wheels?
Make up some magnetised bonnet lock covers?

Any other suggestions? Anyone got a link to some good images?

This is not a serious venture, just some fun.

Regards,

Tom–
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In reply to a message from Tommoxj62 sent Thu 18 Mar 2010:

Tom

Passenger seat different from drivers seat; no front
over-riders (means making up new bumpers); different lenses
in front indicators; body and interior colour. Suggest you
buy a copy of Philip Porter’s book - ‘The Most Famous Car in
the World’ - a hotly disputed title, one also claimed by the
007 Aston Martin DB5 (and with a book of the same name)!

David–
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I’m thinking of converting my '66 coupe to a 9600HP replica for the
50th Anniversary year.


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In reply to a message from Heuer sent Fri 19 Mar 2010:

Thanks David,

Books on order. Cheers.

Tom–
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In reply to a message from Tommoxj62 sent Thu 18 Mar 2010:

As Philip Porter owns this car (the real 9600HP) his book is a good
source of info. As for specifics, none of the very early cars had
3.8 on the rear door. In fact the early cars only had one word -
Jaguar - not even ‘E-Type’. The last time I saw 9600HP in the
flesh (last summer at Silverstone), the wheels were quite rusty.
I’m sure they were originally chromed, rather than painted. Early
photos suggest this is the case.

Interestingly, 9600HP was LHD when it was made, but is now RHD,
having been converted by Jaguar very early in its life. So if you
create a LHD version it will be more original than the original,
if you see what I mean.

Good luck with the project.
C.–
The original message included these comments:

I’m thinking of converting my '66 coupe to a 9600HP replica for the
50th Anniversary year.
Just thinking what I would need to do to get it looking as close as
possible without any permanent work.
3.8 Badge (Get replacement rear door )
Did 9600Hp have silver painted or chromed wheels?


Chris Fell
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In reply to a message from Heuer sent Fri 19 Mar 2010:

I like the look of 9600HP’s front bumpers: to that end, I’m going
to take my originals and create a pair of similar fronts, by
welding in extension bits twixt the blades and the ‘curly-in’ tips,
then get them smoothed and rechromed.

Look for completion before I die. Maybe.

:)–
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Passenger seat different from drivers seat; no front
over-riders (means making up new bumpers); different lenses


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Look for completion before I die. Maybe.

Is this on a schedule somewhere? :wink:

–chuck goolsbee
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While Jaguar had the car they also changed the windshield trim from
the wide to the later narrow style.
Bob
889076
Plymouth, Mi.On Mar 19, 2010, at 9:07 AM, chrisfell wrote:

In reply to a message from Tommoxj62 sent Thu 18 Mar 2010:

As Philip Porter owns this car (the real 9600HP) his book is a good
source of info. As for specifics, none of the very early cars had
3.8 on the rear door. In fact the early cars only had one word -
Jaguar - not even ‘E-Type’. The last time I saw 9600HP in the
flesh (last summer at Silverstone), the wheels were quite rusty.
I’m sure they were originally chromed, rather than painted. Early
photos suggest this is the case.

Interestingly, 9600HP was LHD when it was made, but is now RHD,
having been converted by Jaguar very early in its life. So if you
create a LHD version it will be more original than the original,
if you see what I mean.

Good luck with the project.
C.

The original message included these comments:

I’m thinking of converting my '66 coupe to a 9600HP replica for the
50th Anniversary year.
Just thinking what I would need to do to get it looking as close as
possible without any permanent work.
3.8 Badge (Get replacement rear door )
Did 9600Hp have silver painted or chromed wheels?


Chris Fell
Salisbury, UK, United Kingdom
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In reply to a message from chuck goolsbee sent Fri 19 Mar 2010:

Wiggy sez:

‘‘Look for completion before I die. Maybe.’’

Goolsbee aks:

‘‘Is this on a schedule somewhere? ;)’’

My answer?

Maybe. Right after I feed my addiction to food, shelter, and
clothing. Somewhere thereafter.

:)–
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No sex Paul? You’ve heard of Viagra I
hope? {I’d better run now…)–
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Maybe. Right after I feed my addiction to food, shelter, and
clothing. Somewhere thereafter.


Clem
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In reply to a message from Tommoxj62 sent Thu 18 Mar 2010:

Tom,

You can see a lot of photos of the car during its restoration here:

http://www.etype.co.uk/

Should give you some ideas.–
The original message included these comments:

I’m thinking of converting my '66 coupe to a 9600HP replica for the
50th Anniversary year.
I can even register the car ‘‘9600HP’’.
Just thinking what I would need to do to get it looking as close as
possible without any permanent work.
Remove front motif bar
3.8 Seats
3.8 Dash and console


Bill Gutierrez, '61 OTS '73 OTS
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Tom,
The car has chrome wheels on it now.

If you haven’t read the book “the most famous car in the world” its
worth a read. I personally don’t like the title but enjoyed the book.
pauls 67ots

Hi all,

I’m thinking of converting my '66 coupe to a 9600HP replica for the
50th Anniversary year.

I can even register the car ‘‘9600HP’’.

Just thinking what I would need to do to get it looking as close as
possible without any permanent work.

Remove front motif bar
3.8 Seats
3.8 Dash and console
Rear floor and arch covers
Car already has no mirrors or antenna
3.8 Badge (Get replacement rear door )
Did 9600Hp have silver painted or chromed wheels?
Make up some magnetised bonnet lock covers?

Any other suggestions? Anyone got a link to some good images?

This is not a serious venture, just some fun.
<<<<<<<<<From: “Tommoxj62” tomherraman@hotmail.com
Subject: [E-Type] 9600HP Mock up.


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In reply to a message from paul spurlock sent Fri 19 Mar 2010:

Hi,

Yes, a big question in making a lookalike is the question of
when?

The car when presented to the public for the first time in
1961 was LHD and did had overriders and motif bar just like
any other early E-type.

There are plenty of pictures from Geneva 1961, mostly though
they are B&W. But just don’t confuse this with the other
Gunmetal LHD FHC that was on the Jaguar stand, that’s 885005
that Christian Jenny has in Switzerland today. (and that car
never went back to UK, but was reluctantly sold by Lyons to
a car company in Geneva and has stayed almost 50 years in
Switzerland)

AFAIK that car is much closer to the original appearance. It
is just like it was on the Jaguar stand to the tiniest
detail (like the twisted bonnet safety catch). 9600HP was
later converted to RHD, sold by the factory and used as a
road car, serviced, repaired etc. until it was laid off.
Porter then found it bought it and late had it restored to
his liking, paying the restoration company with the first
RHD FHC made.

Many of the legends related to 9600HP are what legends
always tend to be a bit exaggerated as as Porter himself
owns the car, he’s not going to cut the wings off, is he?

The missing overriders and motif bar are a result of Motor
magazine only getting that car to exceed 150mph both ways
once they removed those. Supposedly the car also had
perspex/acrylic rear screen and aluminium parts (rear door?)
Interesting but IMO mostly about making it more special than
the other early cars.

So the front never really looked like it does now. It is
made to emphasize the legend of the Motor test drive and
achieving 150 mph. The bumper blades for sure had the holes
for the overriders when they did the run, so that would be
more ‘‘historically correct’’. There’s nothing wrong making
your version of it, but at least IMO also the current 9600HP
is Porter’s and Classic Motor Car’s version of it.

I have mentioned it many times in here that another car
‘‘6162RW’’ made 159mph both ways on an Italian highway with
the writers on German Auto Motor & Sport (number 10/1962, I
have a copy) and yet it was no big thing. That car had
overriders, all glass was glass, basically a standard 3.8
FHC with Dunlop RS5 tires, half an inch wider at the back.
The Brits were accused of being over optimistic about the
performance of ‘‘their’’ car, now I don’t think the Germans
would have done that, would they?

As that car was a press car, sure it may have had a
blueprinted engine etc. and at least at the time those
runs were made it was properly run in!

Cheers,
Pekka T. 1E76372BW

PS. One year at a concours event in Turku, Finland a Porsche
backed into my front end! The owner payed for new overriders
and fittings, but for a short while, I used the car without
them:
http://idisk.mac.com/ptelivuo/Public/DCP_0428.jpg--
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Tom,
The car has chrome wheels on it now.
XKE Data - Gallery Detail - Jaguar E-Type (XKE) information, articles, photos and register
If you haven’t read the book ‘‘the most famous car in the world’’ its
worth a read. I personally don’t like the title but enjoyed the book.
pauls 67ots


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In reply to a message from ptelivuo sent Sat 20 Mar 2010:

I’d have to see unbiased papers on that claim, Pekka: a
stock 3.8, near 160 MPH? I ain’t buying it! If not for the
lack of horsepower to do that speed, I can assure you at
above 135 mph-ish, with a standard rake angle, the front
tires become more like rudders than steering tires.

The car’s profile, after all, is a near textbook-perfect
LIFTING wing!–
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I have mentioned it many times in here that another car
‘‘6162RW’’ made 159mph both ways on an Italian highway with
the writers on German Auto Motor & Sport (number 10/1962, I
have a copy) and yet it was no big thing. That car had
overriders, all glass was glass, basically a standard 3.8
FHC with Dunlop RS5 tires, half an inch wider at the back.


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In reply to a message from Wiggles sent Sat 20 Mar 2010:

Hi Paul,

Yup, Stephan had these on his web pages, but I think he was
told to remove them as Auto Motor & Sport is a magazine that
still exists and they have the copyright.

I have quoted that before, I can look it up, once I’m home
again, but that’s the way it went. Perhaps low altitude,
warm air etc. had something to do with it but AFAIK the
results should be very reliable, speed then was verified by
radar operated by the police. Italian yes, but why would
German motoring journalists bribe Italian police officers
when testing an English car? :wink:

BTW I back on the original subject I found another pic of my
car sans overriders and motif bar:

http://idisk.mac.com/ptelivuo/Public/DCP_0432.jpg

So that (without the reg. plate) should be the way the nose
looked when Motor was testing 9600HP.

Cheers,
Pekka T. 1E76372BW MOD

PS. Paul, I have done 137mph with our S1 2+2, and I agree,
it feels light, but IMO more at the rear than the front. Ok,
I had three passengers and luggage and the bigger and
heavier 2+2 body, but it did not feel like we were that
close to the max. I just did not want to find out if we
were at the max as we still had a few hours to the ferry
taking us home…–
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I’d have to see unbiased papers on that claim, Pekka: a
stock 3.8, near 160 MPH? I ain’t buying it! If not for the
lack of horsepower to do that speed, I can assure you at
above 135 mph-ish, with a standard rake angle, the front
tires become more like rudders than steering tires.
The car’s profile, after all, is a near textbook-perfect
LIFTING wing!


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In reply to a message from Wiggles sent Sat 20 Mar 2010:

Paul ‘‘stock’’ becomes the issue here. There were a lot of gear
ratios for the diff. in an E so stock could be very tall. Horse
power would not be an issue as a ‘‘stock’’ engine built carefully and
tuned carefully on a dyno would make more than enough (see A Whytes
dyno results–they were internal documents so no reason for
fudging) and while I agree with you that E Types get very light
above 125-130 the D-Type (which was at least as bad) achieved
speeds well above 159. So if all the planets were aligned it is
possible and I agree that the German test was fair enough.–
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I’d have to see unbiased papers on that claim, Pekka: a
stock 3.8, near 160 MPH? I ain’t buying it! If not for the
lack of horsepower to do that speed, I can assure you at
above 135 mph-ish, with a standard rake angle, the front
tires become more like rudders than steering tires.


George Camp
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In reply to a message from ptelivuo sent Sun 21 Mar 2010:

Tweety has been up to 139, measured with a fifth-wheel on
it, and even with the teeny little chin spoiler under the
nose, plus the increases rake that the car has had since
new, it was gettin’ scary light in steering response.

I also find it a REAL stretch that a dead stock,
as-delivered from the factory (i.e., NOT a blueprinted
engine to stock specs, ala the ‘‘stock’’ engines used in FVs)
will see 150 mph, unless the engine is blueprinted, and
the aero mods that it took to get 9600HP there are in place.
Not entirely out of the realm of believability, but I look
at ‘top speed’ quotes with a VERY jaundiced eye.

It was hype, like the completely bogus ‘265 HP,’ from the
factory. Maybe base 5 horseponies…>:)

Anyway, going slow is MUUUCH better: it allows the plebes to
get a good look…!–
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PS. Paul, I have done 137mph with our S1 2+2, and I agree,
it feels light, but IMO more at the rear than the front. Ok,
I had three passengers and luggage and the bigger and
heavier 2+2 body, but it did not feel like we were that
close to the max. I just did not want to find out if we


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In reply to a message from Wiggles sent Mon 22 Mar 2010:

Hi Paul,

Fine, my speed was read from a GPS, we did ca. 50km (31
miles) at 220km/h (137mph) which is not a biggie in Germany
and quite honestly we had full load, but I suspect it’s not
the weight, it’s the air resistance that plays a bigger role
at those speeds. BTW 30 miles goes FAST at that speed! :smiley:

Still, we had to look out for regular traffic going at
155mph! :-o

Our car is the bigger, taller, heavier and slower 2+2 you
know? And definitely stock 4.2 with amateur rebuild by PO
and me. We have the large US front plate holder, rear wing
aerial and a Webasto sunroof. Obviously the roof was closed
and it was bit noisy at above 100mph, but so was the engine
at above 4000rpm! :wink: Still I could talk with the missus at
137mph, but I could not hear the 1966 Audiovox radio…

Cheers,
Pekka T. 1E76372BW MOD–
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Tweety has been up to 139, measured with a fifth-wheel on
it, and even with the teeny little chin spoiler under the
nose, plus the increases rake that the car has had since
new, it was gettin’ scary light in steering response.
I also find it a REAL stretch that a dead stock,
as-delivered from the factory (i.e., NOT a blueprinted
engine to stock specs, ala the ‘‘stock’’ engines used in FVs)
Anyway, going slow is MUUUCH better: it allows the plebes to
get a good look…!


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In reply to a message from ptelivuo sent Tue 23 Mar 2010:

Actually, you’re correct about the weight not affecting top
speed, inasmuch as Bonneville racers don’t worry about a
car’s lightweight-ness, since you’ve MILES to accelerate up
to speed.

And you’re also correct about air resistance, for IIRC, the
power needed to go x MPH faster over a given speed increases
as the square. So, I completely believe you about 137
MPH…could your car do 150? I’d bet my last hot dinner
agin it…but we can TRY!!

I’ll watch…:)–
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Fine, my speed was read from a GPS, we did ca. 50km (31
miles) at 220km/h (137mph) which is not a biggie in Germany
and quite honestly we had full load, but I suspect it’s not
the weight, it’s the air resistance that plays a bigger role
at those speeds. BTW 30 miles goes FAST at that speed! :smiley:
Still, we had to look out for regular traffic going at
155mph! :-o


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In reply to a message from Wiggles sent Tue 23 Mar 2010:

Hi Paul,

Of course I don’t know, and I don’t think so as my car has a
higher roofline, more steep windscreen etc.

If economy allows, I may ship my car over, let Dick Maury
rebuild me head (the car’s not mine) and then we can see how
fast it goes! :smiley: Or in USA that is probably not very legal?
I need also one new rim, I’m wondering what to do about it
as they were fine until last summer, when one wheel started
stretching the wires!

Cheers,
Pekka T. 1E76372BW MOD–
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Actually, you’re correct about the weight not affecting top
speed, inasmuch as Bonneville racers don’t worry about a
car’s lightweight-ness, since you’ve MILES to accelerate up
to speed.
And you’re also correct about air resistance, for IIRC, the
power needed to go x MPH faster over a given speed increases
as the square. So, I completely believe you about 137
MPH…could your car do 150? I’d bet my last hot dinner
agin it…but we can TRY!!
I’ll watch…:slight_smile:


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In reply to a message from ptelivuo sent Tue 23 Mar 2010:

OOO…that’ll be fun! I can show you were there are ‘safe’
areas to exceed the legal limit, but they’re all out
West…you get out here, we’ll see if we can find a few!

As for a wheel stretching its spokes??? NFI. Other than a
wheel gone badly out of ‘tune,’ I’ve never heard of that.–
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If economy allows, I may ship my car over, let Dick Maury
rebuild me head (the car’s not mine) and then we can see how
fast it goes! :smiley: Or in USA that is probably not very legal?


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