[E-Type] Asbestos Heat Shields in 1961 restored e-type ots

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In reply to a message from Jrmbennett sent Fri 24 Jan 2014:

Thanks for all your inputs , reassurances and suggestion of
future precautions. My take after researching is whatever
happened the chance of it being asbestos is small as the
shield looks brand new and all suppliers like xk unlimitted
told me all their heat shields look like the original but
made of non-asbestos material as they are unable to get
asbestos even if they want to due legal and cost reasons.
Classic Showcase did not give me the restoration /
maintenance info or receipts of this car. I’ll just spray
paint the fibrous material with grey rustoleum high heat
paint and start enjoying the car.It is now ready for the
road as everything seems to be working (except the clock)
and correct (including the round plate on the firewall
behind the windshield washer bottle now painted gloss
black). My next quest is to find the correct way to sew the
lead shot bags to the soft top to make it 100% correct.
Thanks a million for this forum and I’ll get something else
to worry about instead of the possible asbestos.

William–
wc8
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In reply to a message from N�ck sent Fri 24 Jan 2014:

Easy for you to say Nick, but the worriers amongst us long
since realised that just surviving birth being puts you in
the 100% mortality group, unless you’re a motorcyclist in
which case we experience a 110% mortality probability :slight_smile:

Pete–
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This conversation is starting to get hysterical, and I don’t mean
in the funny sense. Asbestos is a known carcinogen, yes, but it is

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Thanks John,
Totally agree. I turned wrenches at a Ford dealership in the mid 60s
for a living, prior to and up to maybe 5 years ago still did my own
brake work for myself and others. In the military we played with
trichloroethylene as tho it was rubbing alcohol, played with mercury
in a bowl in the kitchen, used plenty of leaded paint and swallowed
plenty of leaded fuel while siphoning from one tank to another. Now I
wish I hadn’t done any of that and certainly don’t recommend it but I
did and not dead today, maybe tomorrow but not today :slight_smile: Use
reasonable protection, masks, gloves, wet the stuff down and avoid as
much as you can of the known nasty stuff but no need for hyperbole.
pauls

  • -----Original Message-----
    I am really concerned

G’Day William,
The most dangerous form of asbestos is the stuff with bluish fibres
(crocidolite), stuff on the OEM shield was white asbestos (chrysotile), not
as bad but still very dangerous. Mesothelioma generally takes 20-30 plus
years (but not always) to manifest itself after exposure, most people
diagnosed have had a ‘lot’ of exposure often over years during their ‘work’
with the stuff. Miners, fibrocement manufacturing workers, house builders
using the fibrocement sheets originally made with it using inappropriate
methods of cutting it, engine room artificers or boilermakers in the navy or
on locomotives where the exhaust, boilers and steam pipes were lagged with
the stuff regularly replacing the lagging, people in the insulation industry
putting the blanket batts of the stuff (rockwool) in roof or wall spaces
were the usual victims. Brake shoes/pads all used to contain it and some
car mechanics have contracted mesothelioma but not many, I bet a lot on this
list have cleaned dust out of the older style brakes before disks and
accidentally inhaled a bit of it (certainly I did around 1957 for the first
time on Ford brakes and fairly often thereafter), ask and I’ll bet no one on
the list who did this 30 years or more ago now has diagnosed mesothelioma…
<<<<<<<<<<<From: “Jrmbennett” jembennett@westnet.com.au
Subject: [E-Type] Asbestos Heat Shields in 1961 restored e-type ots

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In reply to a message from PeterCrespin sent Fri 24 Jan 2014:

One of my career incarnations was maintenance manager in a pulp and
paper complex. A large part of the papermill was built in the teens
and 20’s and when a new part was added in the 80’s the old part had
to be decommissioned. Came under my jurisdiction. Old, friable
asbestos insulation everywhere. Literally tons of the stuff. I
brought in a specialist contractor to do an inspection and tell me
what it would cost to get rid of it. He spent the better part of a
day crawling all over then showed up in my office and explained
that it was going to be really, really expensive to get the job
done but he could start the next day. It was then I noticed in
addition to his dusty blue work clothes and steel toed boots he was
wearing a broad smile and a gold Rolex.–
Nick Saltarelli '68 Cdn mkt E-type S1� OTS, '54 XK120SE OTS
Niagara, Ontario, Canada
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In reply to a message from wc8 sent Fri 24 Jan 2014:

Sounds like you need something to worry about–here is one.
The shield under your car regardless of what it is made of
is under the car and all parts will go out the rear of the
car. DO NOZT drive the car in traffic and inhale any of the
air. ALL cars around you are using their brakes and are
spewing ‘‘A’’ particles in the air!–
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Thanks a million for this forum and I’ll get something else
to worry about instead of the possible asbestos.
William

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In college I worked for a soils and asphalt testing lab, and we used trich in open containers to dissolve the asphalt so we could get the gradation %. No respirator, very little ventilation. I learned later, that it is some BAD stuff. Fortunately, the job was for maybe 2 years.

tom---- paul spurlock jagdood@gmail.com wrote:

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Thanks John,
Totally agree. I turned wrenches at a Ford dealership in the mid 60s
for a living, prior to and up to maybe 5 years ago still did my own
brake work for myself and others. In the military we played with
trichloroethylene as tho it was rubbing alcohol, played with mercury
in a bowl in the kitchen, used plenty of leaded paint and swallowed
plenty of leaded fuel while siphoning from one tank to another. Now I
wish I hadn’t done any of that and certainly don’t recommend it but I
did and not dead today, maybe tomorrow but not today :slight_smile: Use
reasonable protection, masks, gloves, wet the stuff down and avoid as
much as you can of the known nasty stuff but no need for hyperbole.
pauls

From: “Jrmbennett” jembennett@westnet.com.au
Subject: [E-Type] Asbestos Heat Shields in 1961 restored e-type ots

  • -----Original Message-----
    I am really concerned

G’Day William,
The most dangerous form of asbestos is the stuff with bluish fibres
(crocidolite), stuff on the OEM shield was white asbestos (chrysotile), not
as bad but still very dangerous. Mesothelioma generally takes 20-30 plus
years (but not always) to manifest itself after exposure, most people
diagnosed have had a ‘lot’ of exposure often over years during their ‘work’
with the stuff. Miners, fibrocement manufacturing workers, house builders
using the fibrocement sheets originally made with it using inappropriate
methods of cutting it, engine room artificers or boilermakers in the navy or
on locomotives where the exhaust, boilers and steam pipes were lagged with
the stuff regularly replacing the lagging, people in the insulation industry
putting the blanket batts of the stuff (rockwool) in roof or wall spaces
were the usual victims. Brake shoes/pads all used to contain it and some
car mechanics have contracted mesothelioma but not many, I bet a lot on this
list have cleaned dust out of the older style brakes before disks and
accidentally inhaled a bit of it (certainly I did around 1957 for the first
time on Ford brakes and fairly often thereafter), ask and I’ll bet no one on
the list who did this 30 years or more ago now has diagnosed mesothelioma…
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In reply to a message from wytchdoktor1 sent Fri 24 Jan 2014:

This is exactly the response that I would expect from
someone calling themself a ‘‘witch doctor’’. I am perfectly
aware that asbestos can cause cancer…and you have to
understand the exposure situations that can lead to it.Just
because its there does not give you cancer. you have to be
exposed to the dust for significant periods of time. My
point is that there are more powerful cancer causing agents
than asbestos, and you need to ensure you have good feel for
the relative importance of all risks.–
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asbestos causes cancer-proven-nasty stuff!
I wouldn’t take a chance if you can’t find out for sure.
thewytchdoktor

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In reply to a message from John M Holmes sent Fri 24 Jan 2014:

I have Asbestosis in both lungs and the lining I was diagnosed in
92, I worked with Asbestoes While in the US Navy and at work as
well working on and around cars trucks ect. I have approx. 75 % of
my lungs left and I do have the knowledge that It may kill me
eventualy… I am also a Trained Asbestos worker… I have bought
the same part as Bill describes from a Trusted Vender and I is NOT
asbestos. Same go’s for the heat shield for the Clutch and brake
bottles.–
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aware that asbestos can cause cancer…and you have to
understand the exposure situations that can lead to it.Just

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