[E-Type] End of Topic - PLEASE READ

The discussion of Rogers’s XK-data site, the XK list in general, and the recent flaring tempers prompts me to call a halt to this discussion NOW!

I had felt that as most threads go, this one would drift away after a couple of days.

Apparently some folks had to go to the XK forums and make comments after the admin had requested the thread be closed.

I don’t care who did it. I don’t care who got banned. As far as the E-type list, the discussion is over, period.

Roger can feel free to update us or not when the situation is resolved. Until or if that happens, this whole discussion is closed for now. Anyone who wishes to carry on can do it somewhere else as they will be escorted to the door.

George Cohn
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In reply to a message from George Cohn sent Thu 12 Jan 2006:

You’re a dad, aintcha?..:~ )
So noted, Kimo sabe!–
The original message included these comments:

The discussion of Rogers’s XK-data site, the XK list in general, and the recent flaring tempers prompts me to call a halt to this discussion NOW!
I had felt that as most threads go, this one would drift away after a couple of days.


Paul Wigton, '60 DKW 1000SP, '55 DKW Sonderklasse, Tweety!
Keenesburg, CO, United States
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(now, that’s perhaps the most pollite way I’ve ever heard it described, I believe)
LLoyd

… Anyone who wishes

to carry on can do it somewhere else as they will be escorted to the door.

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From: “George Cohn” gwcohn@simplybits.net

Amen!!! George, I just wish the XK administrator had taken just as firm a
stand on closing this argument. Nothing is to be gained from the harangue.

Len W----- Original Message -----
From: “George Cohn” gwcohn@simplybits.net
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 4:08 PM
Subject: [E-Type] End of Topic - PLEASE READ

The discussion of Rogers’s XK-data site, the XK list in general, and the
recent flaring tempers prompts me to call a halt to this discussion NOW!

I had felt that as most threads go, this one would drift away after a
couple of days.

Apparently some folks had to go to the XK forums and make comments after
the admin had requested the thread be closed.

I don’t care who did it. I don’t care who got banned. As far as the
E-type list, the discussion is over, period.

Roger can feel free to update us or not when the situation is resolved.
Until or if that happens, this whole discussion is closed for now. Anyone
who wishes to carry on can do it somewhere else as they will be escorted
to the door.

George Cohn
List Admin

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In reply to a message from Len Wheeler sent Thu 12 Jan 2006:

This whole deal was an unfortunate display of human behavior. I
lurk, help where I can and believe in civiltiy. At my age, life is
too short to spend it with vitriol and anger. Thank you George.
Amen–
Gary Herzberg 66 Series 1 OTS, 98 xk8
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I have an XK-engined car which is definitely residing in blown-head-gasket
ville. I’m going to pull the head and have it rebuilt.

It used about 2 gallons of water on the 30 mile drive home. :stuck_out_tongue: It also
produced copious amounts of oil smoke, especially for the first couple of
minutes after start-up, which I’m hoping could be part of the same problem.

Question: if a head gasket is severely blown, is it worth it or meaningful
to take a compression reading before I take this apart to try and understand
the condition of the bottom end? Aside from a rough idle, it actually sounds
pretty good.

Roger Los
Lots of Junk, No Money, Angry Neighbors, Internet Villian*

  • Earlier this week I told a joke in the humor section of another online
    community (a local board up here). The joke–sent to me by Wiggles, come to
    think of it–wasn’t that naughty, but someone replied in a clearly tasteless
    attempt at playing off it and that P.O.ed the moderator so much that he shut
    down the much-cherished and venerable “humor” section (for the second time,
    I might add, after an earlier, similar incident), and it’s never coming
    back. So Jag-lovers is not the only online victim of tolerating my presence.

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Roger,

Did the engine have anti-freeze in it? Did the leak allow anti freeze to
get into the oil? If so, the engine will need to be decontaminated with
butyl cellosolve. A leak down test will confirm the nature of the leak.

Chuck Anderson
'64 FHC w/EFI
890250
Port Orchard, WA

Roger Los wrote:

I have an XK-engined car which is definitely residing in blown-head-gasket
ville. I’m going to pull the head and have it rebuilt.

It used about 2 gallons of water on the 30 mile drive home. :stuck_out_tongue: It also
produced copious amounts of oil smoke, especially for the first couple of
minutes after start-up, which I’m hoping could be part of the same problem.

Question: if a head gasket is severely blown, is it worth it or meaningful
to take a compression reading before I take this apart to try and understand
the condition of the bottom end? Aside from a rough idle, it actually sounds
pretty good.

Roger Los
Lots of Junk, No Money, Angry Neighbors, Internet Villian*

  • Earlier this week I told a joke in the humor section of another online
    community (a local board up here). The joke–sent to me by Wiggles, come to
    think of it–wasn’t that naughty, but someone replied in a clearly tasteless
    attempt at playing off it and that P.O.ed the moderator so much that he shut
    down the much-cherished and venerable “humor” section (for the second time,
    I might add, after an earlier, similar incident), and it’s never coming
    back. So Jag-lovers is not the only online victim of tolerating my presence.

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In reply to a message from Roger Los sent Thu 12 Jan 2006:

Roger,

Is this an XJ6? Cool cars. I miss my SIII XJ6 (but it was very
tired.)

When you take the compression readings you will quickly find out
which one is the ‘‘wet’’ cylinder (you’ll know it.)

Strong compression might say that things look good in the piston
and bottom end department, hopefully. Weak compression might just
be talking about the gasket leak.

So, Roger, tell tell. What is this mysterious XK-engined car? An
XJ6? A ‘‘lumped’’ 'vette, perhaps?–
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I have an XK-engined car which is definitely residing in blown-head-gasket


David - '61 & '69 OTS, '37 SS Saloon
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Dave,

It’s an '87 XJ6 which I was given due to the blown head gasket. My “free”
car has thus far needed a battery and a burst heater hose replaced to get it
home. And, man, does it smoke for about five minutes after it’s started if
you let it sit. I think it’ll probably require $1000 in remedial attention
before it’s really roadworthy again–this assumes the engine difficulties
are confined to the head/gasket.

On the other hand, the exterior and interior are in nice condition if you
don’t count the typical headliner of doom.

It doesn’t seem like a bad machine but I will probably be fixing it and
either selling it on or giving it to a friend for the cost of the machining

  • parts. I have a Land Rover Disco which pretty much serves the same
    function as the XJ6 would and I have a dearth of parking!

Roger Los

] -----Original Message-----
] From: owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org
] [mailto:owner-e-type@jag-lovers.org] On Behalf Of David Shield
] Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:10 AM
] To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
] Subject: Re: [E-Type] Compression and blown head gasket
]
] In reply to a message from Roger Los sent Thu 12 Jan 2006:
]
] Roger,
]
] Is this an XJ6? Cool cars. I miss my SIII XJ6 (but it was very
] tired.)
]
] When you take the compression readings you will quickly find
] out which one is the ‘‘wet’’ cylinder (you’ll know it.)
]
] Strong compression might say that things look good in the
] piston and bottom end department, hopefully. Weak
] compression might just be talking about the gasket leak.
]
] So, Roger, tell tell. What is this mysterious XK-engined
] car? An XJ6? A ‘‘lumped’’ 'vette, perhaps?
] –
] The original message included these comments:
] > I have an XK-engined car which is definitely residing in
] > blown-head-gasket
]
] –
] David - '61 & '69 OTS, '37 SS Saloon
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In reply to a message from Chuck Anderson sent Thu 12 Jan 2006:

Hi Chuck, I remember butyl cellosolve from the old days in
the lab. Now that I am a ‘‘civillian’’ I wonder how the heck
to get your hands on such a solvent.Do you have any thoughts
on the subject.–
The original message included these comments:

Did the engine have anti-freeze in it? Did the leak allow anti freeze to
get into the oil? If so, the engine will need to be decontaminated with
butyl cellosolve. A leak down test will confirm the nature of the leak.
Chuck Anderson


John M Holmes 1973 E Type SIII Supra 5-Speed, 1970 SII OTS
Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
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In reply to a message from Roger Los sent Thu 12 Jan 2006:

Roger:

My eperience with blown head gaskets is that the more you
run the engine the more damage you do to it. If coolant is
diluting and foaming the oil my understanding is that the
oil is no longer lubricating and protecting the bearings
because it can’t be pumped properly. Plus, moisture next to
all of that metal equals…rust. I’ve always been told that
if you blow a head gasket stop the engine and don’t restart
until the gasket is fixed and the engine decontaminated.

I do speak from some experience, one of my employees decided
to ignore a leaking head gasket and ruined the engine in one
of my Ford vans. By the time that he got back to his store,
the engine was billowing white smoke. He stopped the engine
and it froze up, right there in the parking lot, never to
move again. Needless to say van (it did have over 130k on
the clock) and employee are no longer with me.

Bob–
'69 2+2 Big Red, '69 OTS Priscilla -Mantua, New Jersey
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In reply to a message from Roger Los sent Thu 12 Jan 2006:

Roger,

Head gaskets for the later XJ’s around the 90-100K mile mark
are almost considered ‘‘routine maintaince’’, so I’d just pull
the head and slap in a new gasket - the new style composite
ones are wonderful, but come in several thicknesses. After a
new gasket it will probably be fine.

The Series 3 are nice cars, I’ve got a 1992 V12, #53 of the
last 100 built.–
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It’s an '87 XJ6 which I was given due to the blown head gasket. My ‘‘free’’


Craig 64 OTS/ 92 VDP
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Whenever I buy a new (used) car, I figure I will sink $1000. into it immediately to bring it up to my standards.
However, I’ve had my '98 Camaro for aobut 4 years and have put under 400 into it; and the Jag (PrtyKty) I’ve put… oh God, lets not go there…
LLoyd–
My driveway is long enough that you can appreciate the conflict between the desire for privacy and the terror of being completely lost .

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: “Roger Los” roger@rogerlos.com

I think it’ll probably require $1000 in remedial attention
before it’s really roadworthy again–this assumes the engine difficulties
are confined to the head/gasket.

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Hi John,

These folks carry it. http://www.postapplescientific.com/

Cheers,

Chuck Anderson
'64 FHC w/EFI
890250
Port Orchard, WA

http://www.postapplescientific.com/

John M Holmes wrote:

In reply to a message from Chuck Anderson sent Thu 12 Jan 2006:

Hi Chuck, I remember butyl cellosolve from the old days in
the lab. Now that I am a ‘‘civillian’’ I wonder how the heck
to get your hands on such a solvent.Do you have any thoughts
on the subject.

The original message included these comments:

Did the engine have anti-freeze in it? Did the leak allow anti freeze to
get into the oil? If so, the engine will need to be decontaminated with
butyl cellosolve. A leak down test will confirm the nature of the leak.
Chuck Anderson


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Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
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