[E-Type] Selt belts

E-Type
1

Does anyone know when seat belts became mandatory in the
U.S.? I want to modify the belt on the drivers side only so
I will have two different types of belts in my 68 OTS. Does
the seat belt requirement specify a three point system or
only a belt?
Regards, Pete Normington 68OTS

2

Pete

It depends on the state you register and drive the car. In Arizona for
example the law states all vehicles manufacture year 1972 and later must
be equipped with seat belts.

Len Wheeler

Peter Normington wrote:> Does anyone know when seat belts became mandatory in the

U.S.? I want to modify the belt on the drivers side only so
I will have two different types of belts in my 68 OTS. Does
the seat belt requirement specify a three point system or
only a belt?
Regards, Pete Normington 68OTS

3

Len Wheeler wrote:

Pete

It depends on the state you register and drive the car. In Arizona for
example the law states all vehicles manufacture year 1972 and later must
be equipped with seat belts.

Len Wheeler

That’s an interesting tidbit. My '64 OTS had lap belts when I got it
used in '68. They were the Hickok style.

Just for curiosisty since I can’t remember, did the early cars have the
welded in nuts for the seat belts or were they drilled and bolted in
aftermarket? I see in one of the parts books a plastic plug for filling
the seat belt holes so I assume they must have been factory installed
after some point.

BTW, I got some nice lap\shoulder belts from British Auto some time
back. They come in several colors and have a “leaper” logo on the
buckle. I opted for the non-retracting although it’s possible that the
'70’s had retractable shoulder harnesses.

George Cohn
'70 OTS
Tucson, AZ

4

George,
I have talked to an owner of a 63 E-type OTS who has factory installed seat
belts.

Cheers
Bob

In a message dated 1/21/00 12:28:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gwcohn@azstarnet.com writes:

<< Just for curiosisty since I can’t remember, did the early cars have the
welded in nuts for the seat belts or were they drilled and bolted in
aftermarket? I see in one of the parts books a plastic plug for filling
the seat belt holes so I assume they must have been factory installed
after some point >>

5

George

I have a 62 E-type, Delivered new without seat belts, but mounting
facilities for lap/sash belts were installed.

Ian----- Original Message -----
From: XKEJAG64@aol.com
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Friday, 21 January 2000 09:05
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Selt belts

George,
I have talked to an owner of a 63 E-type OTS who has factory installed
seat
belts.

Cheers
Bob

In a message dated 1/21/00 12:28:58 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gwcohn@azstarnet.com writes:

<< Just for curiosisty since I can’t remember, did the early cars have the
welded in nuts for the seat belts or were they drilled and bolted in
aftermarket? I see in one of the parts books a plastic plug for filling
the seat belt holes so I assume they must have been factory installed
after some point >>

6

In a message dated 1/21/2000 6:07:36 AM Eastern Standard Time,
XKEJAG64@aol.com writes:

<< George,
I have talked to an owner of a 63 E-type OTS who has factory installed seat
belts.

Cheers
Bob >>
Can anyone on the list hint as to why my '71 SII seemed to have been shipped
over with NO seat belts? A mechanic who did and still does work for the
original dealer who sold the car to the Mahers told me many belt systems were
dealer installed and the Mahers (original owner) did NOT want the belts
installed. This seems a little out of place in the scheme of things. I find
no indication this car ever had belts.
TIA
Keith Headley

7

George,

My '64 FHC came with Hickock belts (lap only) just as in Haddon,
but the mounts for lap and
shoulder belts were both integrated into the car. The shoulder belt mount
had an elaborate chrome plug, in fact. Porter tells a date for the
introduction
of these integrated mounts ('63, I recall?).

I obtained a set of three-point grey seat belts that came from the factory
installed in a '63 Mark 2. The Mk 2 was bought direct from the factory and
delivered to my friend’s dad in Austria. His brother-in-law bought a OTS E
Type
at the same time in the same circumstances, and it was also fitted with
the same or very similar seat belts. (I got them because the Mk2 was
totaled :-{

The belts appear to be of Volvo belt material (they supplied three-point
seat belts
during this period, I think they pioneered them) but the buckles were chrome
with a little chrome leaper. They work just like today’s airline seat
belts.

The hardware for the Mk2 shoulder belt didn’t work for the E Type, but
hardware from a later E worked. All the lap hardware worked fine,
though I suspect the adjustment for E-specific belts was a little different,
as there is lots of excess belt when they are tight.

Boy, I’d love to replace the webbing on these belts and keep them as-is.
Does
anyone know a place that can do this?

Jerry

Jerry Mouton mailto:@mouton Laissez les bons temps
rouler!----- Original Message -----
From: George Cohn gwcohn@azstarnet.com
To: e-type@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [E-Type] Selt belts

Len Wheeler wrote:

Pete

It depends on the state you register and drive the car. In Arizona for
example the law states all vehicles manufacture year 1972 and later must
be equipped with seat belts.

Len Wheeler

That’s an interesting tidbit. My '64 OTS had lap belts when I got it
used in '68. They were the Hickok style.

Just for curiosisty since I can’t remember, did the early cars have the
welded in nuts for the seat belts or were they drilled and bolted in
aftermarket? I see in one of the parts books a plastic plug for filling
the seat belt holes so I assume they must have been factory installed
after some point.

BTW, I got some nice lap\shoulder belts from British Auto some time
back. They come in several colors and have a “leaper” logo on the
buckle. I opted for the non-retracting although it’s possible that the
'70’s had retractable shoulder harnesses.

George Cohn
'70 OTS
Tucson, AZ

8

No welded in nuts for seatbelts on the early cars, at least not on mine…
Jim Carney
S1 FHC 885237

Just for curiosity since I can’t remember, did the early cars have the
welded in nuts for the seat belts or were they drilled and bolted in
aftermarket
George Cohn
'70 OTS
Tucson, AZ

9

“Haddon” (p.95) says that the seatbelt mounts were introduced at chassis
numbers
850300/1, 860112/3, 876358/9, and 885317/8 – January 1962.

The numbers are (OTS RHD) (FHC RHD) (OTS LHD) (FHC LHD) – whach matches
your numbers, Jim. A few more weeks and you’d have them!

Jerry

Jerry Mouton mailto:@mouton Laissez les bons temps
rouler!----- Original Message -----
From: carney_fam_ark carney_fam_ark@email.msn.com

No welded in nuts for seatbelts on the early cars, at least not on mine…
Jim Carney
S1 FHC 885237

Just for curiosity since I can’t remember, did the early cars have the
welded in nuts for the seat belts or were they drilled and bolted in
aftermarket
George Cohn

10

Jerry,

Pete

It depends on the state you register and drive the car. In Arizona
for
example the law states all vehicles manufacture year 1972 and later
mustOn the Jag-lovers used parts exchange, a lister makes reference to having his E-type seat belts rewebbed, (check “new seat/shoulder belts”)–maybe he could help you. Also, as you’ve probably read, Brittish Auto/ USA sells the aircraft style 3-point belts in gray, black and tan, with chrome buckle and a small raised chrome leaper on the buckle (clasp). Rob 67 OTS Original Message ----- From: Jerry Mouton jerry@moutons.org To: e-type@jag-lovers.org Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [E-Type] Selt belts George, My '64 FHC came with Hickock belts (lap only) just as in Haddon, but the mounts for lap and shoulder belts were both integrated into the car. The shoulder belt mount had an elaborate chrome plug, in fact. Porter tells a date for the introduction of these integrated mounts ('63, I recall?). I obtained a set of three-point grey seat belts that came from the factory installed in a '63 Mark 2. The Mk 2 was bought direct from the factory and delivered to my friend’s dad in Austria. His brother-in-law bought a OTS E Type at the same time in the same circumstances, and it was also fitted with the same or very similar seat belts. (I got them because the Mk2 was totaled :-{ The belts appear to be of Volvo belt material (they supplied three-point seat belts during this period, I think they pioneered them) but the buckles were chrome with a little chrome leaper. They work just like today’s airline seat belts. The hardware for the Mk2 shoulder belt didn’t work for the E Type, but hardware from a later E worked. All the lap hardware worked fine, though I suspect the adjustment for E-specific belts was a little different, as there is lots of excess belt when they are tight. Boy, I’d love to replace the webbing on these belts and keep them as-is. Does anyone know a place that can do this? Jerry Jerry Mouton mailto:jerry@moutons.org Laissez les bons temps rouler! Original Message ----- From: George Cohn gwcohn@azstarnet.com To: e-type@jag-lovers.org Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [E-Type] Selt belts Len Wheeler wrote:
be equipped with seat belts.

Len Wheeler

That’s an interesting tidbit. My '64 OTS had lap belts when I got it
used in '68. They were the Hickok style.

Just for curiosisty since I can’t remember, did the early cars have the
welded in nuts for the seat belts or were they drilled and bolted in
aftermarket? I see in one of the parts books a plastic plug for filling
the seat belt holes so I assume they must have been factory installed
after some point.

BTW, I got some nice lap\shoulder belts from British Auto some time
back. They come in several colors and have a “leaper” logo on the
buckle. I opted for the non-retracting although it’s possible that the
'70’s had retractable shoulder harnesses.

George Cohn
'70 OTS
Tucson, AZ

11

In a message dated 1/22/00 2:22:27 PM, macl@sgi.net writes:

<< a lister makes reference to

having his E-type seat belts rewebbed, >>

That was me. They didn’t grip as PO had the wrong webbing (too thin).
Contact:
Ssnake Oyl Products, Inc.
4367 Hwy 271 N.
Tyler, TX 75708

Phone: 1-800-284-7777
www.ssnake-oyl.com

Jim 67 ots

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My 1963 FHC had seat belt mounting provisions but no belts. the threaded
holes had white plastic blanking plugs screwed into them. The old floors have
been gone now for 10 years since they were cut out and replaced. I think I
kept the plastic plugs, but where did I file them? Currently I am using wide
lap belts with aluminum latches like a race car.
Cheerio
Will Stewart

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I’m not sure about lap belts, but the shoulder straps came in '68-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Normington dianapete@uswest.net
To: jag digest e-type@jag-lovers.org
Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 9:59 AM
Subject: [E-Type] Selt belts

Does anyone know when seat belts became mandatory in the
U.S.? I want to modify the belt on the drivers side only so
I will have two different types of belts in my 68 OTS. Does
the seat belt requirement specify a three point system or
only a belt?
Regards, Pete Normington 68OTS