In reply to a message from larry 71 sII sent Thu 2 Oct 2014:
That’s the thing that baffles me about these recurring
discussions. I’ve never had a set of tires that, after 5-6
years of use, didn’t have very obviously degraded handling.
That’s the only reason I’ve ever replaced tires on the Jag -
I’ve never worn them out. For anyone to even consider
actually driving more then 50 feet on tires that are 10, 15,
25 or more years old just seems insane to me, no matter what
they look like.–
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I remember reading a tire test that a car magazine did. They used a
TR6 to compare two sets of almost identical tires, one new and one
set NOS. The results were dramatic.
As could be guessed,the new tires greatly outpreformed the old set
by every measure.
While this doesn’t determine whether an old tire will blow up or
not, it does indicate a less safe tire.
Is it worth you life?
–
Ray Livingston - '64 OTS Santa Cruz, CA
Santa Cruz, CA, United States
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In reply to a message from N�ck sent Thu 2 Oct 2014:
Dear Nick, I hope she wasn’t holding her walking cane!
:-))–
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Agreed. Apropos, I’m just now back from a run in the E-type. Was
heading north doing around 50. Guy heading south stopped at an
uncontrolled intersection, waited for the guy ahead of me to pass
and made a left turn right in front of me. Locked up the brakes and
missed him by a hair. Left two black lines on the road and the air
stunk of burnt rubber. Guy kept going. I U-turned and followed him
til he pulled over. He got out. I got out. Said he didn’t see
me. ‘‘NO SH*T!’’ sez I with a little added emphasis. I gave him a
performance appraisal and opinion on his intellectual faculties.
He’s not going to forget me anytime soon. But the new Vreds
performed beautifully. No question I would have hit the bozo on
–
Mike Moore 63 S1 OTS #878877
Morgan Hill, California, United States
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In reply to a message from Ray Livingston sent Thu 2 Oct 2014:
And the irony is, referring back to Nick’s first post, the
fact that they were brand new unused with the pimples
still on made it worse, not better. The action of a tire
flexing in use mobilises and redistributes the
plasticisers through the compound. To some extent that
maintains the composition of the carcass, rather than
letting the external surfaces dry out and harden.
If I had to choose between pristine unused tires and a
regularly used set the same age I’d probably go for used,
not new.
My new XJ12 has the original unused 1979 spare on a
perfect chrome rim. It will come off when I start using
the car and probably sell for a handsome eBay price to a
concours trailer-queen owner.–
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25 or more years old just seems insane to me, no matter what
they look like.
–
1E75339 66 D, 1R27190 70 FHC, 79 S2 XJ12L
Gaithersburg, Maryland, United States
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In reply to a message from PeterCrespin sent Thu 2 Oct 2014:
I do hope you gentlemen aren’t saying dicussions like this
one aren’t useful, no matter how many times we have them.–
Nick Saltarelli '68 Cdn mkt E-type S1� OTS, '54 XK120SE OTS
Niagara, Ontario, Canada
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Whatever is said about women being taken advantage of has in my
experience been absolute fact. Not just related to cars but house
repairs too, perhaps even worse.
pauls
I got one too… (GRRRRR)
My wife took her Scion for an oil change and they told her she
needed new front brake pads, should they do it while she was at the
shop? The car ahd 40K miles on it. Smartly, she said she would
coordinate with her husband on that.
I went down, bought brake pads and fluid, lifted the car and pulled
off the old.
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
R!!!
60 % of the pads remained. They were not even half gone. I was
pi$$ed, butput them on anyway since I had the thing pullled down.
LLoyd
(no, we never went back there, and soon he was out of business)
<<<<<<<<<From: “LLoyd (a rithmetician)” soothsayer1@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [E-Type] The safety of NOS tires according to Goodyear Dunlop
In reply to a message from John Walker sent Wed 1 Oct 2014:
Thanks John for the TireRack link about tire age, and how
to read date codes. Just came back from an 80 MPH run in the
E Type. I knew that my tires we old but did not remember how
old. I regularly check for signs of age and they look like
new. My past experience with Michelin tires has been that
they don’t crack on sidewalls.
Checking date codes, three of the tires were mfg. in 2001
and one in 2000 . Better replace soon.
Glenn–
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In reply to a message from davidxk sent Wed 1 Oct 2014:
During Watergate Jennifer’s response would have been
called ‘‘a non-denial denial’’.
Tire rack has a good article on aged tires.
–
melloyello
Lake Elsinore California, United States
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In reply to a message from melloyello sent Sat 4 Oct 2014:
Glad it was helpful.
Our used F150 truck came with Michelins; 2 dating from 2002
and two from 2009. The older two showed sidewall cracks.
We replaced them even though the truck is just used to go
to the lumberyard and dump; local runs.–
The original message included these comments:
Thanks John for the TireRack link about tire age, and how
new. My past experience with Michelin tires has been that
they don’t crack on sidewalls.
–
John Walker, No E-Type at present
Russellville, Arkansas, United States
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can’t understand how the debate on “old” tires continues,but it does,non believers or whatever, Anyway,the current Fall 2018 JCNA Journal cites a tire tread coming off completely,.,that is a failure of the glues that bond tread to carcass, which happens with time, and has nothing to do with exterior look, So a “tire expert look” achieves Zero,. Lucky driver and car in the cited incident, How many ways can you list what “could have” happened with the cited tire tread fail, that would be ok with you and spouse in the car, at 70mph?
Nick
I was the schmuck that was driving that XJS cited in the article. For those of you that aren’t JCNA members, the tires were of unknown vintage but probably from the 1990’s. The car had been driven from Tennessee to Pittsburgh and then to Breezewood PA where Pete C. and I picked it up. The tread and carcasses on all four tires looked fine in Breezewood before the right rear tread delaminated at about 70 mph on the way to Damascus, MD. It convinced me that there is no such thing as a “safe” old tire. The only question (and the one being debated here and in other threads) is what constitutes “old.” No matter how good a tire looks or how it’s been stored, I will never drive a car with tires that are ten years or older and even that is pushing it.
This thread is sad.
Its like the ethanol debate.
Since most on the forum NEVER drive their cars, this whole thread is a waste.
YOUR GOING TO MOUNT AND DRIVE ANY CAR ON 23 YEAR OLD TIRES?
Because a millennial said so?
So when you finally drive and they blow out are you going to sue the tire company.
Common sense is dead.
Take my advise and make them wall art, that’s all they are good for……
I drive 6,000 miles every year in my ETYPE.
Nick, I gather from their response (1) the response was run thru their legal department, (2) they have no “data” on and probably don’t waste time/effort in determining progressive age deterioration based solely based on time/age and finally, (3) based on chemical analysis/test, environmental effects (widely varied) the base chemical structure of the “rubber” compound. Finally, they want to sell you NEW tires, not verify your 25 year old tires are still good (no sales)…
I’m pleased to hear that you drive your E-Type 6,000 miles every year, and I trust that you enjoy it. It does surprise me that you can find time with all your activities to waste it on this forum, and all the losers and dimwits that are apparently members here. Of course, silly me, you need to find somewhere to push your books and videos…
David, Driving or contemplating driving on 23 year old tires?
Your photo seems to have the same amount of grey hair as me……
Put your glasses on, I never called anyone a loser or a dimwit.
My average book cost 50 grand to produce.
The average tv show on Velocity costs around 225 grand.
Tomorrow, Friday I am taking off from work as we are going to feed 800 homeless veterans and deliver boots and blankets.
Most wont sleep inside they are shell shocked.
Two weeks ago through our charity GENERAL NEEDS we raised over 35 grand just for tomorrow.
So you understand where Iam coming from.
Born in the Bronx New York and worked since 12 years old.
Basically retired by 50…
So smile young man, theres too much anger, I will post pictures tomorrow of men and women OUR KIDS age that have little or no hope unless we do something.
Peace and don’t drive on 23 year old tires, I like you to live!
GTJOEY1314
I have driven past that Uniroyal " Tire" many times. The only reason its still standing is because its not made from RUBBER. I read the thread and am somewhat dismayed at some of the inputs. A tire that has been inflated and exposed to sunlight is suspect at 10 years max. A tire that has been stored uninflated and in the dark is good to go at 10 years maybe…but I wouldn’t use it! But what do I know ? Lots of contact with the tire industry as R&D rubber chemist, now retired.
