[modern] Brake pads

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I have 30k on a full set of Wagner brake pads on my '89 and just got through
checking them and the rotors for wear. This car is an everyday driver and
spends about 50% of the time in city traffic. The pad wear is barely
noticable, the rotors are in fine shape with barely any discernable (measured
with a micrometer) wear and the braking performance has been excellent since
doing the brake job. However, the best part has been that I have the
cleanest Jag wheels in town.

It seems like everyone on the list has a success or failure story concerning
virtually every aspect of these cars. My feeling about non-Jaguar parts is
that while some things should remain Jaguar, common sense should also
prevail. I saved nearly half the cost and wound up solving a problem in the
process by giving a company that has been making brake pads a LONG time
credit for knowing how to do it.

FWIW,

Cliff Morris
'89 Vanden Plas
(as robust stopping as it is going)

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Cliff,

Maybe its the difference in pad shape from the early cars to the longer
ones on the newer cars.

I was happy with some of the ones I had besides the slight low speed
groan until they cracked in half.

There is also a susceptibility variation between people…some just
want to stop without sparks shooting from the wheels, while others
like very smooth quiet stops.
Pads that don’t wear, wear out the rotors…they must.

Where do you get wagner brake pads?

From my experience, you can get serviceable aftermarket parts, but
the quality is always lower…sometimes this does not matter, or
you can live with it due to the price difference, but its always
lower.

aftermarket brake pads…3 sets cracked in half, all had low speed
groan.

aftermarket fan clutch…did not clutch…tried two, same thing

aftermarket power steering hose…did not have same metal bit to clamp
to rack.

aftermarket distributor cap…silly blue color

aftermarket fuel filter…made pump noisy

aftermarket coil…does not fit the same, cant fit water cover

aftermarket hoses and belts…ok so far…

aftermarket brake disks…sent two back, using others

aftermarket cam cover gaskets…get hard fast, not like OEM…

aftermarket wires…don’t have the warning, covers don’t fit right

aftermarket oxy sensor…have to solder wires on…but much cheaper.

aftermarket U joints…very lower quality then the original

Brett
1990 XJ6
…Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:15:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Cmorris69@aol.com
Subject: [modern] Brake pads
Sender: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org
To: modern@jag-lovers.org

I have 30k on a full set of Wagner brake pads on my '89 and just got through
checking them and the rotors for wear. This car is an everyday driver and
spends about 50% of the time in city traffic. The pad wear is barely
noticable, the rotors are in fine shape with barely any discernable (measured
with a micrometer) wear and the braking performance has been excellent since
doing the brake job. However, the best part has been that I have the
cleanest Jag wheels in town.

It seems like everyone on the list has a success or failure story concerning
virtually every aspect of these cars. My feeling about non-Jaguar parts is
that while some things should remain Jaguar, common sense should also
prevail. I saved nearly half the cost and wound up solving a problem in the
process by giving a company that has been making brake pads a LONG time
credit for knowing how to do it.

FWIW,

Cliff Morris
'89 Vanden Plas
(as robust stopping as it is going)

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Cliff,
I am not sure you can get an aftermarket water pump…I think they
are all rebuilt cores…and most places don’t fit new bearings, just
clean and re grease them, and fit a new seal.

I cant say I have had any bulb problems other than a side marker
on my 1990 with 125,000 miles on it, although I did replace most of
them at 100,000 miles with the sylvania bulbs at pep boys.

You got lucky with the fan clutch…there is a replacement available
from the same company that made the OEM Jaguar ones that fits the series
III cars as well…thats what I wound up with.
The other aftermarket ones did not un clutch much at all, and spun
the fan way too fast…not like the OEM clutch.
Maybe it was designed for a bigger fan…
I wonder if yours acts like its supposed to…after an initial
lockup for about 1 minute, it spins somewhat free, and is quiet.
The aftermarket ones stayed locked up at idle all the time, and even
after revving the engine would not un clutch.
If you hold the throttle open at 1500 rpm,s, the fan should un clutch
and spin slow(unless things get real hot).

Funny that the place I got the fan clutches from said they did not
get any returns on fan clutches, and they sold lots…
Lots of people out there with roaring fans…

Brett
1990 XJ6

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Brett Gazdzinski wrote:

I am not sure you can get an aftermarket water pump…I think they
are all rebuilt cores…and most places don’t fit new bearings, just
clean and re grease them, and fit a new seal.

Brett,

I’d have to disagree with you on this one! While there may be some
fly-by-night rebuilders who don’t replace water pump bearings, I haven’t
run into this situation in my years in the parts business.

I do agree that there don’t seem to be any aftermarket Jaguar pumps and
that rebuilt OE pumps are what is available.

Best regards,

Gregory Wells
Coventry West, Inc.
New, Rebuilt, & Used Jaguar Parts
http://www.coventrywest.com
800-331-2193 x103

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Gregory Wells wrote:

Brett Gazdzinski wrote:

I am not sure you can get an aftermarket water pump…I think they
are all rebuilt cores…and most places don’t fit new bearings, just
clean and re grease them, and fit a new seal.

Brett,

I have not seen a problem with reman water pumps for Jags. The few
companies that rebuild them for the various specialty distributors of
Jaguar parts always use new bearings and seals and some even change out
the impellors. I can’t vouch for the rebuilds that discount chains offer
but for those in the specialty market, the product is excellent.

Best Regards,
Hal Rogers
H.D. Rogers & Sons
Import Auto Specialists
3418 Barksdale Blvd.
Bossier City LA 71112 USA
(318) 742-3651 phone (318) 742-5044 fax

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Gregory,
I have a rebuilt pump(front part) on my car now.
I don’t remember where I got it…I could look it up.
My original pump started leaking at the seal when cold…after it warmed
up and pressure was in the system, it would seal up, but I replaced
it as its likely to cause bearing problems eventually.
I got the rebuilt pump and fit it, then discovered it had play in the
bearing…as it seals up ok, and the play is not bad, I’ve been using
it.
After I bought the pump, someone sent me a mail telling me to beware
that many pump re builders don’t fit a new bearing if the original is
good.

Fine time to get this info…after I bought the pump!
It was only $60.00 or so, while the others went from $180.00 to
$74.00, new whole pump to rebuilt front part…

So, I KNOW they are out there, and I know EXACTLY where one is…

Brett
1990 XJ6

…

Brett,

I’d have to disagree with you on this one! While there may be some
fly-by-night rebuilders who don’t replace water pump bearings, I haven’t
run into this situation in my years in the parts business.

I do agree that there don’t seem to be any aftermarket Jaguar pumps and
that rebuilt OE pumps are what is available.

Best regards,

Gregory Wells
Coventry West, Inc.
New, Rebuilt, & Used Jaguar Parts


800-331-2193 x103

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Hi Folks,
Has anybody tried the new Kevlar brake pads? They have been advertised
several times in the Jaguar Enthusiast’s Mag and are supposed to eliminate
of the dreadful black gunge that rots alloy wheels. How well do they stop
you & how well do they last compared to traditional compounds. My
experience of Kevlar (as a material for Yacht rigging) is that it is not
that good at withstanding abrasion so its use in brake pads came as a bit
of a surprise. Price seems to be only about 5-10% dearer than normal pads &
that seems good value just to keep the front wheels clean if other
performance aspects are acceptable.
I too, tend to be light on pads despite driving fast. I like to anticipate
corners and potential problems to minimise sudden stops - it also gives
better fuel consumption for high average speeds & a smooth ride for
passengers. I have done 23K miles on a set of pads that I was told would
only last a month following the first warning light indication. I am
keeping an eye on them & one or two are starting to look a little thin now
so new pads are definitely on the shopping list.
Steve Kean '90 Daimler Sov 88Kmiles & still looking pretty good when
cleaned

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Maybe that is what will make them good as brake pads!>>> steve kean Steve_Kean@compuserve.com 09-Feb-00 3:42:35 >>>

My experience of Kevlar (as a material for Yacht rigging) is that it is not that good at withstanding abrasion.

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I am going to replace the front brake pads on my 94XJ12.
Should I stick to Jaguar parts or after market?

Thanks

Tony D. 94XJ12 (great weather up here in Toronto)

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Tony, for what it is worth and there have been many opinions on this
subject, but I have had problems with 2 sets of aftermarket pads on an 89
XJ6 and 1 set on my current 92 xj6, and was not satified until I installed a
set of OEM.

Ron
92 XJ6>From: “Tony” tony.dibenedetto@sympatico.ca

To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [modern] Brake pads
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:30:36 -0700

I am going to replace the front brake pads on my 94XJ12.
Should I stick to Jaguar parts or after market?

Thanks

Tony D. 94XJ12 (great weather up here in Toronto)

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The normal answer is to use the Jaguar parts. You can buy them from the
mail-order places along with new rotors if needed.

However, my son has started using ceramic pads by Raybestos on his cars and
the results are really good. Quiet operation, NO brake dust. He buys them
at PepBoys.

Has anyone else tried these? I don’t know if they are available to fit the Jag.

Dave

At 09:30 PM 5/16/2001 -0700, you wrote:

I am going to replace the front brake pads on my 94XJ12.
Should I stick to Jaguar parts or after market?

Thanks

Tony D. 94XJ12 (great weather up here in Toronto)

David Hurlston
ViaData LP

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Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 21:30:36 -0700
From: “Tony” tony.dibenedetto@sympatico.ca
Subject: [modern] Brake pads

I am going to replace the front brake pads on my 94XJ12.
Should I stick to Jaguar parts or after market?

Mintex or Ferodo do a good job.

Alastair

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Tony,
I think most people are happy with OEM pads, Ferodo
pads, and some other brand(axcess??, jerid??).

The aftermarket pads I got at the local auto parts place
all cracked in half…two different types…
They LOOKED great, very nice quality, they just had
the pads crack in half, causing a loud nasty groan during
braking…

Brett
1990 XJ6> -----Original Message-----

From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 12:31 AM
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [modern] Brake pads

I am going to replace the front brake pads on my 94XJ12.
Should I stick to Jaguar parts or after market?

Thanks

Tony D. 94XJ12 (great weather up here in Toronto)

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Tony,

From the extensive research I did when replacing the pads on my '88 XJ6, it
apppears that Ferodo, Jurid and Mintex have all been OE suppliers to Jaguar.
My local Jaguar dealer carries Ferodo and Mintex as its “aftermarket”
brands. Coventry West carries Ferodo and Jurid. Pete Bond at CW told me
that for my model car, Jurid was the OE pad, but apparently they’re harder to
get so CW doesn’t always have them in stock. I was able to get Jurid pads
for the front (they arrived in Lucas boxes), and got Ferodo for the back.
They both look like high quality pads and they stop my car well.

These pads did develop a bit of squealing (both front and rear), which was
cured by spraying the backs of the pads with Permatex blue brake-quiet spray.
The squeal may have been caused by my wheel bearings being on the sloppy
side.

Don
'88 XJ6

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Do you have contact details for your supplier?

Cheers,

Ray

Dnbyr@AOL.COM wrote:> Tony,

From the extensive research I did when replacing the pads on my '88 XJ6, it
apppears that Ferodo, Jurid and Mintex have all been OE suppliers to Jaguar.
My local Jaguar dealer carries Ferodo and Mintex as its “aftermarket”
brands. Coventry West carries Ferodo and Jurid. Pete Bond at CW told me
that for my model car, Jurid was the OE pad, but apparently they’re harder to
get so CW doesn’t always have them in stock. I was able to get Jurid pads
for the front (they arrived in Lucas boxes), and got Ferodo for the back.
They both look like high quality pads and they stop my car well.

These pads did develop a bit of squealing (both front and rear), which was
cured by spraying the backs of the pads with Permatex blue brake-quiet spray.
The squeal may have been caused by my wheel bearings being on the sloppy
side.

Don
'88 XJ6

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I recently replaced the front brake pads on my XJ12. Though there are
several aftermarket options for the XJ6, I could not find any for the XJ12
(very brief search). The OEM pads from Jaguar appeared to be high quality
and have performed well for me to date.

David Tucker
1994 XJ12

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Fellow Listers:

Since I’ve received great tips and advice from this list, I thought I would
return the favor once again. I’ve been running the EBC Kevlar “Greenstuff”
brake pads in the front for 15,000 miles now and they’ve been great. Little
dust, still about 50% life left and great performance.

Paul
99 XJR
98 XK8

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I’ve thought about using the EBC Kevlar pads the next time my pads need a
change, but was wondering what effect they have on the discs? Do they wear
the discs out quicker than the normal pads?

Regards,
David Orr,
Auckland, NZ,
92 XJ6 3.2>Fellow Listers:

Since I’ve received great tips and advice from this list, I thought I would
return the favor once again. I’ve been running the EBC Kevlar “Greenstuff”
brake pads in the front for 15,000 miles now and they’ve been great. Little
dust, still about 50% life left and great performance.

Paul
99 XJR
98 XK8

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David,

I’ve had my rotors cryogenically hardened before I installed these pads and
the rotors are holding up extremely well with these pads. I don’t know how
hard these pads on rotors that are straight “out of the box.”

Paul
99 XJR
98 XK8