Does anyone have any facts/reasons/opinions on why Jaguar doesn’t offer a
manual transmission on the XK8? Until the recent X type, you couldn’t even
dream of finding a 5 speed (except for a brief period in the mid-eighties, I
believe). I personally always prefer choosing my own gears. Does Jaguar
offer different transmissions outside of the US?
Just curious…
Alex 1989 XJ6
Lack of demand. When Jaguar offered manual transmission, the demand dropped
to less than 5% of the total imports to the U.S. Because emissions
certification required the full monty to be performed on every
engine/drivetrain combination, this was expensive for a relatively small
number of sales. I’m not sure, but crash testing may have been required when
a major component like a transmission was changed also.
Until the X-type, Jaguar had not offered a manual option in the U.S. since
the demise of the E-type. They were, however, available in other markets at
least through the S3 XJ6. XJSes had them available for the 3.6L version for
sure, because five gray market cars made it into the states in the
mid-eighties. Beyond that, I can’t say.
“Mark 1” Mark Stephenson (@Mark_Stephenson2)
1952 XK120 Roadster S673129
1958 Mark 1 / 1967 E-type Coupe
1984 XJ6 / 1985,6,7 XJ6 VDP / 1995 XJ6 VDP
Jaguar Club of Central Arizona (www.cableone.net/jcca)-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of malore
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 9:12 AM
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [modern] manual trans
Does anyone have any facts/reasons/opinions on why Jaguar doesn’t offer a
manual transmission on the XK8? Until the recent X type, you couldn’t even
dream of finding a 5 speed (except for a brief period in the mid-eighties, I
believe). I personally always prefer choosing my own gears. Does Jaguar
offer different transmissions outside of the US?
Just curious…
Alex 1989 XJ6
The S type has been avail with a 5 speed on the V6 ever since it was
launched in most markets except North America until now.
Apparently, at least in the US, most luxury car buyers want an automatic…
Dealers are selling more X type with the auto than witht he manual.
I also prefer a manual but it looks like we’re the minority.
I wonder what the ratio is for Aston, they do offer the DB7 with both,
something Jaguar should have done on the XK8/R
Pascal----- Original Message -----
From: “malore” malore@karsanidi.com
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:11 PM
Subject: [modern] manual trans
Does anyone have any facts/reasons/opinions on why Jaguar doesn’t offer a
manual transmission on the XK8? Until the recent X type, you couldn’t
even
dream of finding a 5 speed (except for a brief period in the mid-eighties,
I
believe). I personally always prefer choosing my own gears. Does Jaguar
offer different transmissions outside of the US?Just curious…
Alex 1989 XJ6
I didn’t know the S type had the manual available. My parents just got one
and I’m not too fond of the performance. It’s a bit too slow on the get go
for my tastes. I prefer their old XJ8 much more. The 5 speed probably
gives a little punch to the acceleration.
The Aston does come with a 6 speed, but I usually see automatics in there.
The people who can afford these cars are past their days of shifting. Heh.
I also think that with a lot of luxury performance cars available with the
F1 paddles people are choosing to have an auto because they still get the
occasional “feel” of shifting. I’m a purist. I still need my clutch and
gear shift. It’s not the same without the clutch.
I’ve decided to get an E-Type (manual tranny) when I can afford one that I
like (1967 roadster). I’ll have to learn to love the automatic in my XJ.
One other note, I’m not sure if it’s accurate though, when I looked at the
BMW 7 series, the dealer told me that they couldn’t import that model with
the manual trans because of emissions regulations. I took that to mean that
you could get it outside of the US, but I’m not sure. Europe always gets
the automotive goodies.
Alex 1989 XJ6-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Pascal Gademer
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:00 PM
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [modern] manual trans
The S type has been avail with a 5 speed on the V6 ever since it was
launched in most markets except North America until now.
Apparently, at least in the US, most luxury car buyers want an automatic…
Dealers are selling more X type with the auto than witht he manual.
I also prefer a manual but it looks like we’re the minority.
I wonder what the ratio is for Aston, they do offer the DB7 with both,
something Jaguar should have done on the XK8/R
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: “malore” <@malore>
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:11 PM
Subject: [modern] manual trans
Does anyone have any facts/reasons/opinions on why Jaguar doesn’t offer a
manual transmission on the XK8? Until the recent X type, you couldn’t
even
dream of finding a 5 speed (except for a brief period in the mid-eighties,
I
believe). I personally always prefer choosing my own gears. Does Jaguar
offer different transmissions outside of the US?Just curious…
Alex 1989 XJ6
Hi!
I would love a manual gearbox for open road use but driving in today’s
crawling traffic jams with a big engine is, I think, much too much like hard
work without an auto box.
NW----- Original Message -----
From: “malore” malore@karsanidi.com
To: “Pascal Gademer” pascal@pam-trading.com; modern@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 6:49 PM
Subject: RE: [modern] manual trans
I didn’t know the S type had the manual available. My parents just got
one
and I’m not too fond of the performance. It’s a bit too slow on the get
go
for my tastes. I prefer their old XJ8 much more. The 5 speed probably
gives a little punch to the acceleration.The Aston does come with a 6 speed, but I usually see automatics in there.
The people who can afford these cars are past their days of shifting.
Heh.
I also think that with a lot of luxury performance cars available with the
F1 paddles people are choosing to have an auto because they still get the
occasional “feel” of shifting. I’m a purist. I still need my clutch and
gear shift. It’s not the same without the clutch.I’ve decided to get an E-Type (manual tranny) when I can afford one that I
like (1967 roadster). I’ll have to learn to love the automatic in my XJ.One other note, I’m not sure if it’s accurate though, when I looked at the
BMW 7 series, the dealer told me that they couldn’t import that model with
the manual trans because of emissions regulations. I took that to mean
that
you could get it outside of the US, but I’m not sure. Europe always gets
the automotive goodies.Alex 1989 XJ6
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Pascal Gademer
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:00 PM
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [modern] manual transThe S type has been avail with a 5 speed on the V6 ever since it was
launched in most markets except North America until now.Apparently, at least in the US, most luxury car buyers want an
automatic…
Dealers are selling more X type with the auto than witht he manual.I also prefer a manual but it looks like we’re the minority.
I wonder what the ratio is for Aston, they do offer the DB7 with both,
something Jaguar should have done on the XK8/RPascal
----- Original Message -----
From: “malore” malore@karsanidi.com
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:11 PM
Subject: [modern] manual transDoes anyone have any facts/reasons/opinions on why Jaguar doesn’t offer
a
manual transmission on the XK8? Until the recent X type, you couldn’t
even
dream of finding a 5 speed (except for a brief period in the
mid-eighties,
I
believe). I personally always prefer choosing my own gears. Does
Jaguar
offer different transmissions outside of the US?Just curious…
Alex 1989 XJ6
Which S is slow, the V6 right ? the v8 has the same engine as the XJ8 / Xk8
is it should be plenty… the stick is only avail on the 2003 S-type V6,
which is goint to hit the showrooms in May. I’ve driven loaners V6 S, the
tranny lacks refinement compared to the V8 versions.
The paddle shifter and slaps sticks have one major drawback : no feed back,
you don’t know where you are unless your look at the indicator. What I love
about the J Gate is that you know where you are but your arm position. It’s
a good compromise. i always use it. Unfortunately with all those ignorant
journalists, car testers, and other gadget loving self proclaimed automotive
expert shooting it down everytime they can in the press, I doubt Jaguar will
keep it much longer. At least it’s still on 2003 S …
Pascal----- Original Message -----
From: “malore” malore@karsanidi.com
To: “Pascal Gademer” <@Pascal_Gademer>; modern@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: [modern] manual trans
I didn’t know the S type had the manual available. My parents just got
one
and I’m not too fond of the performance. It’s a bit too slow on the get
go
for my tastes. I prefer their old XJ8 much more. The 5 speed probably
gives a little punch to the acceleration.The Aston does come with a 6 speed, but I usually see automatics in there.
The people who can afford these cars are past their days of shifting.
Heh.
I also think that with a lot of luxury performance cars available with the
F1 paddles people are choosing to have an auto because they still get the
occasional “feel” of shifting. I’m a purist. I still need my clutch and
gear shift. It’s not the same without the clutch.I’ve decided to get an E-Type (manual tranny) when I can afford one that I
like (1967 roadster). I’ll have to learn to love the automatic in my XJ.One other note, I’m not sure if it’s accurate though, when I looked at the
BMW 7 series, the dealer told me that they couldn’t import that model with
the manual trans because of emissions regulations. I took that to mean
that
you could get it outside of the US, but I’m not sure. Europe always gets
the automotive goodies.Alex 1989 XJ6
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Pascal Gademer
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:00 PM
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [modern] manual transThe S type has been avail with a 5 speed on the V6 ever since it was
launched in most markets except North America until now.Apparently, at least in the US, most luxury car buyers want an
automatic…
Dealers are selling more X type with the auto than witht he manual.I also prefer a manual but it looks like we’re the minority.
I wonder what the ratio is for Aston, they do offer the DB7 with both,
something Jaguar should have done on the XK8/RPascal
----- Original Message -----
From: “malore” malore@karsanidi.com
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:11 PM
Subject: [modern] manual transDoes anyone have any facts/reasons/opinions on why Jaguar doesn’t offer
a
manual transmission on the XK8? Until the recent X type, you couldn’t
even
dream of finding a 5 speed (except for a brief period in the
mid-eighties,
I
believe). I personally always prefer choosing my own gears. Does
Jaguar
offer different transmissions outside of the US?Just curious…
Alex 1989 XJ6
Alex,
Maybe your average Jag owner simply doesn’t have large enough leg
muscles to operate a clutch capable of handling the power of the XK8,
let alone the XKR… It is after all a luxury brand not usually
associated with Gladiators and WWF stars…
Kevin
'95 X300
Does anyone have any facts/reasons/opinions on why Jaguar doesn’t
offer
a
manual transmission on the XK8? Until the recent X type, you
couldn’t> even
dream of finding a 5 speed (except for a brief period in the mid-
eighties,
I
believe). I personally always prefer choosing my own gears. Does
Jaguar
offer different transmissions outside of the US?Just curious…
Alex 1989 XJ6
This is a bit silly, but…when I had a physical done my doctor told me that
my left leg was measurably larger than my right, most likely due to driving
cars with a heavy clutch. So I don’t mind at all working the gears through
traffic. I used to commute in Manhattan in my Mustang. I couldn’t put that
clutch down with my right foot, so I can only imagine what kind of a workout
my left was getting. Heh.
I guess a Jaguar isn’t meant to shift. It’s a comfort cruiser.-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Fox [mailto:kevin@croslandmedia.com]
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:45 PM
To: ‘malore’; modern@lyons.jag-lovers.org
Subject: RE: [modern] manual trans
Alex,
Maybe your average Jag owner simply doesn’t have large enough leg
muscles to operate a clutch capable of handling the power of the XK8,
let alone the XKR… It is after all a luxury brand not usually
associated with Gladiators and WWF stars…
Kevin
'95 X300
Does anyone have any facts/reasons/opinions on why Jaguar doesn’t
offer
a
manual transmission on the XK8? Until the recent X type, you
couldn’t
even
dream of finding a 5 speed (except for a brief period in the mid-
eighties,
I
believe). I personally always prefer choosing my own gears. Does
Jaguar
offer different transmissions outside of the US?Just curious…
Alex 1989 XJ6
Yes, I meant the V6. I remember my excitement when the Lincoln LS came out
and I heard that they would offer a 5 speed. My excitement turned to
disappointment when I learned it would only be offered on the 6. I have a
rule when I buy a car to get the largest engine offered. As you can maybe
tell, I like performance. Big smelly V8s will always have a spot in my
heart. Although, the Porsche turbo can also share space in my garage. Heh.
I don’t like paddle shifters. I’d rather have a gear shifter OR and
automatic. Not both.-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Pascal Gademer
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:23 PM
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [modern] manual trans
Which S is slow, the V6 right ? the v8 has the same engine as the XJ8 / Xk8
is it should be plenty… the stick is only avail on the 2003 S-type V6,
which is goint to hit the showrooms in May. I’ve driven loaners V6 S, the
tranny lacks refinement compared to the V8 versions.
The paddle shifter and slaps sticks have one major drawback : no feed back,
you don’t know where you are unless your look at the indicator. What I love
about the J Gate is that you know where you are but your arm position. It’s
a good compromise. i always use it. Unfortunately with all those ignorant
journalists, car testers, and other gadget loving self proclaimed automotive
expert shooting it down everytime they can in the press, I doubt Jaguar will
keep it much longer. At least it’s still on 2003 S …
Pascal
----- Original Message -----
From: “malore” <@malore>
To: “Pascal Gademer” pascal@pam-trading.com; modern@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:49 PM
Subject: RE: [modern] manual trans
I didn’t know the S type had the manual available. My parents just got
one
and I’m not too fond of the performance. It’s a bit too slow on the get
go
for my tastes. I prefer their old XJ8 much more. The 5 speed probably
gives a little punch to the acceleration.The Aston does come with a 6 speed, but I usually see automatics in there.
The people who can afford these cars are past their days of shifting.
Heh.
I also think that with a lot of luxury performance cars available with the
F1 paddles people are choosing to have an auto because they still get the
occasional “feel” of shifting. I’m a purist. I still need my clutch and
gear shift. It’s not the same without the clutch.I’ve decided to get an E-Type (manual tranny) when I can afford one that I
like (1967 roadster). I’ll have to learn to love the automatic in my XJ.One other note, I’m not sure if it’s accurate though, when I looked at the
BMW 7 series, the dealer told me that they couldn’t import that model with
the manual trans because of emissions regulations. I took that to mean
that
you could get it outside of the US, but I’m not sure. Europe always gets
the automotive goodies.Alex 1989 XJ6
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of Pascal Gademer
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 1:00 PM
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: [modern] manual transThe S type has been avail with a 5 speed on the V6 ever since it was
launched in most markets except North America until now.Apparently, at least in the US, most luxury car buyers want an
automatic…
Dealers are selling more X type with the auto than witht he manual.I also prefer a manual but it looks like we’re the minority.
I wonder what the ratio is for Aston, they do offer the DB7 with both,
something Jaguar should have done on the XK8/RPascal
----- Original Message -----
From: “malore” <@malore>
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 12:11 PM
Subject: [modern] manual transDoes anyone have any facts/reasons/opinions on why Jaguar doesn’t offer
a
manual transmission on the XK8? Until the recent X type, you couldn’t
even
dream of finding a 5 speed (except for a brief period in the
mid-eighties,
I
believe). I personally always prefer choosing my own gears. Does
Jaguar
offer different transmissions outside of the US?Just curious…
Alex 1989 XJ6
i just think that the manual transmissions have many draw back in the US…
like
1- Lack of experienced mechanics familiar with them… I know someone with a
Honda Accord 5 spd… and only the dealer will repair anything on the manual
tranny.
2- Lack of drivers experienced to use them… leads to lower resale value to
any car … even a Jaguar.
3- Most modern cars come with five speed auto or 4 speed auto… so the need
for six-speed or a five speed is unnecessary in terms of performance / fuel
economy.
Problems I have with the J-shifter is that it takes for ever to reach D2 from
park… BTW, where is D1???. Another issue is that the car does not stay in
the gear I chose in the J -shifter… for example if put the car in D3… and I
slow down that the computer thinks it is beneficial to down shift… It WILL
down shift. I wish there could be a way to lock gears in J-shift.
Something I will really appreciate is steering mounted transmission shifters
like radio controls
Cheers
Peter 1994 xj12
The Ford Edsel used to have transmission push buttons on the steering wheel…>
Something I will really appreciate is steering mounted transmission shifters
like radio controlsCheers
Peter 1994 xj12
Feature article in the Jaguar Spring 2002 magazine is on
the S type-R. 400hp/ 6 spd auto or 5 spd manual.
Faster saloon Jaguar ever built. 0-60 in 5.3 secs.
Oops, now all the XJ40 owners that go 160mph
(while getting 28 mpg) are going to pipe up.
Richard Drozdowski
1992 XJS-4.0L
0-60 above 5.3 secs.Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:22:37 -0400
From: “Pascal Gademer” pascal@pam-trading.com
Subject: Re: [modern] manual trans
Which S is slow, the V6 right ?
When I get to the point that I no longer feel the urge to drive a manual
transmission, I think I’ll go out and get a nice Bentley with a nice
chauffeur. Yeah, that’s what I’ll do. That’s much easier than shifting!-----Original Message-----
From: owner-modern@jag-lovers.org [mailto:owner-modern@jag-lovers.org]On
Behalf Of dboarder@sympatico.ca
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 4:41 PM
To: Pete112883@aol.com; modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: Re: [modern] manual trans
The Ford Edsel used to have transmission push buttons on the steering
wheel…
Something I will really appreciate is steering mounted transmission
shifters
like radio controlsCheers
Peter 1994 xj12
When researching the purchase of my XK8 2 years ago, one of the many articles I
read attributed the lack of a manual transmission in the XK8 to:
Personally, if the manual transmission would really be that much more
expensive, I’d still like to see it as an extra, extra cost option, much like
the GTS-R Viper, something that only sells a handful at a very high price.
That way when the car was 4 years old I could buy it used for something
sort of affordable from someone who is in search of the latest car toy.
Jeff
I think there wasn’t enough sales volume for the XK8 to be worth the
investment. There have been manual versions of both XJ40 and X300 (
including XJR ) in the UK, though numbers are small.
Cheers - Jez> -----Original Message-----
From: malore [mailto:malore@karsanidi.com]
Sent: 08 April 2002 17:12
To: modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: [modern] manual transDoes anyone have any facts/reasons/opinions on why Jaguar
doesn’t offer a
manual transmission on the XK8? Until the recent X type, you
couldn’t even
dream of finding a 5 speed (except for a brief period in the
mid-eighties, I
believe). I personally always prefer choosing my own gears.
Does Jaguar
offer different transmissions outside of the US?Just curious…
Alex 1989 XJ6
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Sad statement on evolution/society there.
Bad enough not to be able to walk to the store to buy Doritos.
Now we can’t manage the drive w/o autoboxes and PS.?
Richard Drozdowski
1992 XJSDate: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:44:35 +0100
From: “Kevin Fox” kevin@croslandmedia.com
Subject: RE: [modern] manual trans
Alex,
Maybe your average Jag owner simply doesn’t have large enough leg
muscles to operate a clutch capable of handling the power of the XK8,
let alone the XKR… It is after all a luxury brand not usually
associated with Gladiators and WWF stars…
Kevin
'95 X300
Having just traded my 2000 XJ8 (three weeks ago) for a
2002 X-Type 3.0 sport with “manual transmission” my
perspective on driving has totally changed…I do not
talk on the phone or drink coffee while I drive
anymore…I “drive” really “drive” and what a thrill
to be driving again…as far as the looks are
concerned (Jag Ford) having owned a multitude of Jags
over the years (90 Sovereign, 94 XJS Conv. V12, 95
VDP, 96 XJS Conv. 4.0, 2000 XJ8) the efficiencies
gained by the re-design are well worth it…in my
humble opinion.
David
2002 X-Type 3.0 Manual 5 speed (1400 miles)__________________________________________________
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Alex,
Maybe your average Jag owner simply doesn’t have large enough leg
muscles to operate a clutch capable of handling the power of the XK8,
let alone the XKR… It is after all a luxury brand not usually
associated with Gladiators and WWF stars…
I’ve never had problems with the weight of a clutch, even with over
450BHP going through it (and VERY high torque), although it needs a
longish travel to give enough leverage when it’s coping with that kind
of horsepower. It would certainly be nice to have the option.
Phil Lee, Bordeaux '88 XJ40 Sovereign,
209,000+ Miles, Cambridgeshire, England.On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:44:35 +0100, “Kevin Fox” kevin@croslandmedia.comwrote:
Phil
Whenever I drive a manual car in a traffic jam - stopping, starting,
crawling, feeding in the clutch hundreds of times, it drives me crackers and
yet you say you are happy to do that? That is the situation in which I need
an auto.
If we only drove on the open road (there is not much in Britain) then a
manual is best.
NWSubject: Re: [modern] manual trans
On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:44:35 +0100, “Kevin Fox” kevin@croslandmedia.comwrote:
Alex,
Maybe your average Jag owner simply doesn’t have large enough leg
muscles to operate a clutch capable of handling the power of the XK8,
let alone the XKR… It is after all a luxury brand not usually
associated with Gladiators and WWF stars…I’ve never had problems with the weight of a clutch, even with over
450BHP going through it (and VERY high torque), although it needs a
longish travel to give enough leverage when it’s coping with that kind
of horsepower. It would certainly be nice to have the option.
Phil Lee, Bordeaux '88 XJ40 Sovereign,
209,000+ Miles, Cambridgeshire, England.
In the US the reason Jag did not sell the std because they would have had
to spend a ton of money to meet EPA emissions standards. They simply did
not have enough sales to justify the cost so they got the Automatic
certified because that was the best seller. I always wanted to buy a 5
speed manual when I have my Series III, it handled a lot better but had a
rougher ride that the X40 which is more like a US luxury car with the
extra heavy-duty handling package (relatively speaking) compared to my 85
Series III.
That is what the top dealer Jake Kaplan (deceased) told me and he was one
of the first Jag Dealers back in the 50’s on. He literally had New
England tied up fop Jag, and Rover and Rolls.
Jay 90 Majestic
Richard Drozdowski wrote:> Sad statement on evolution/society there.
Bad enough not to be able to walk to the store to buy Doritos.
Now we can’t manage the drive w/o autoboxes and PS.?Richard Drozdowski
1992 XJSDate: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 19:44:35 +0100
From: “Kevin Fox” kevin@croslandmedia.com
Subject: RE: [modern] manual transAlex,
Maybe your average Jag owner simply doesn’t have large enough leg
muscles to operate a clutch capable of handling the power of the XK8,
let alone the XKR… It is after all a luxury brand not usually
associated with Gladiators and WWF stars…Kevin
'95 X300