Pinion nut size - messing with things

Brett,

Reading your theory about “tweaking” the pinion nut, I’ve looked at the
pictures and offer the following [to be shot down in flames by those who know
what they’re talking about!].

If the taper roller pinion bearings are slightly worn and you did succeed in
tightening the pinion nut a few degrees to “take up the slack”, you would in
effect be moving the pinion towards out of mesh with the crown wheel.

This would be similar in effect to removing shims from between the inner [aft]
bearing cup and the casing thus altering the contact point of the pinion to
higher up the face of the crown wheel teeth and at the same time increasing
the backlash between crown wheel and pinion.

If this then proved to be excessive, you would have to add shims between the
back of the crown wheel and it’s inner bearing to move the crown wheel in to
closer mesh with the pinion [and remove the same thickness of shims from the
opposite side] - and you can’t do that in situ!

This in turn would alter the contact point of the pinion towards the heel
[outer] end of the teeth of the crown wheel.

So, Brett, I draw two conclusions from this theoretical exercise on a wet
Sunday afternoon :-

a) You would probably not get rid of the noise although you may perhaps change
the tune, and b) this is one thing you should probably not mess with!!!

As an alternative, perhaps you should give Hal a few crates of Moosehead
[whatever that is] after drinking sufficient of which he will surely do the
whole thing under warranty for you!

Good luck,

Bryan N
91 XJ 40 Sovereign [51K]
91 MX 5 / Miata [81K]
Cambs. England

Bryan,
Looking at the exploded diagram, it looks like the pinion gear
would sit in the same place, not move. Whats missing in the exploded
picture is the differential case. I think the shim behind the front
pinion bearing sits on the differential case.
I think what happens is the bearings wear, and the pinion
has some play in it, and can move away from the ring gear.
Towards the back of the differential.
All this is just a guess…
Brett
1990 XJ6
…Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 14:45:32 +0000
From: Bryan Neish B.F.N@BTInternet.com
Reply-To: B.F.N@BTInternet.com
To: BrettaGazdzinskia <@Brett_Gazdzinski>
CC: Jaguar Tech queries modern@jag-lovers.org
Subject: Re: Pinion nut size - messing with things.

Brett,

Reading your theory about “tweaking” the pinion nut, I’ve looked at the
pictures and offer the following [to be shot down in flames by those who know
what they’re talking about!].

If the taper roller pinion bearings are slightly worn and you did succeed in
tightening the pinion nut a few degrees to “take up the slack”, you would in
effect be moving the pinion towards out of mesh with the crown wheel.

This would be similar in effect to removing shims from between the inner [aft]
bearing cup and the casing thus altering the contact point of the pinion to
higher up the face of the crown wheel teeth and at the same time increasing
the backlash between crown wheel and pinion.

If this then proved to be excessive, you would have to add shims between the
back of the crown wheel and it’s inner bearing to move the crown wheel in to
closer mesh with the pinion [and remove the same thickness of shims from the
opposite side] - and you can’t do that in situ!

This in turn would alter the contact point of the pinion towards the heel
[outer] end of the teeth of the crown wheel.

So, Brett, I draw two conclusions from this theoretical exercise on a wet
Sunday afternoon :-

a) You would probably not get rid of the noise although you may perhaps change
the tune, and b) this is one thing you should probably not mess with!!!

As an alternative, perhaps you should give Hal a few crates of Moosehead
[whatever that is] after drinking sufficient of which he will surely do the
whole thing under warranty for you!

Good luck,

Bryan N
91 XJ 40 Sovereign [51K]
91 MX 5 / Miata [81K]
Cambs. England

Bryan,
I have a fax at work, but I am on vacation…
I was going by the sicp catalog, that is taken from some
Jaguar source…

It has…
pinion gear
bearing
pinion bearing shim- ,003,.005,or .010
collapsible spacer
bearing
spacer
seal

From looking at the size and shape of the parts, (the shim is much
bigger than the collapsible spacer) it looks like the spacer sits on
part of the case.

An odd thing has happened…the noise has gone away…
I drove it around today, making a lot of trips here and there, with
hiway and small streets, and have not heard the noise at all.
Since the front end alignment, the tire noise has decreased a lot
as well, and the car handles very nice.
I have no idea why the differential noise would go away. Its been
very hot lately, and that usually made the noise louder.
The car is running better than it has ever done.
Its amazing for a car with almost 100,000 miles on it…

Brett
1990 XJ6