Series III vacuum issues that really suck

According to this post below the advance vacuum is neither fish nor fowl but a combination of both depending on manifold vacuum/pressure. It seems the manifold vacuum is dominant at idle and becomes ported under certain conditions above idle. So what initial advance is proper to use?
It seems there is agreement that a combination of 17 deg.basic adv and and manifold vacuum at the dist. is just way too advanced. So that still leaves me wondering how the owners manual that came with both my cars states the idle wo/ vacuum should be 17 degrees.

Dick_Maury

Doug_Dwyer

Feb '18

The vacuum controller is not a delay valve but rather a controller that supplies a steady minimum amount of vacuum at idle. Above idle, it lets ported vacuum take over when the port is above 6 in of vacuum for the XJ6 and 11 in for the V12 HE. At full throttle, there is not much vacuum so it drops off. This extra advance is to give the engine more advance ignition timing at idle to run cooler and use less fuel. This unit is also used on some American cars as one of the ports is labeled “Delay”. This unit does not delay vacuum but that is where it is hooked up on other non-Jaguar applications. Easy way to check is to measure the vacuum at the distributor with the above mentioned specs assuming it is hooked up properly. Delay=manifold vacuum , Dist=distributor vacuum unit and Carb=Ported throttle (not direct manifold vacuum)