Tonneau covers on XK's


(Terry McGrath) #1

Having just brought a 1 owner XK140 roadster I was surprised when it turned up to find it still had the original tonneau cover (the short version)
But what was of interest was that it was a vinyl material noted in XK140 explored as “Duranhide” a heavily grained PVC and the closest modern material would be everflex.
The trim colour is blue ie not dark blue and the tonneau cover is blue to match.
I have only ever seen less than 10 original tonneau covers 4 in the one place in Switzerland all from late XK120’s which are all this a heavily grained PVC fabric and in colours like red and green I do have a beautiful almost unused tonneau cover from an XK150 roadster courtesy of EBAY from the original owner who has sold the car back in the 1960’s but the tonneau cover got left behind this is also a heavily grained PVC fabric. These all seem to match the original trim colour of the car.
So it will presumably be only early XK120’s that have mohair type material


(Roger Payne) #2

Pictures please Terry.

My similar one-long-term owner from new XK140MC OTS (after buying car from original owner in c1958) received a paint/trim colour change at some stage, but still came with its original Biscuit Coloured heavily-grained PVC Tonneau Cover, that I suspected was its original Duranide cover, but I struggled with little solid evidence against popular comment/belief and 100.0 point cars using Mohair (type) material. Thus I was/had-to-be somewhat cautious with the wording I used when writing-up/detailing Plate 11-a1 in JAGUAR XK140 EXPLORED.

It would be great if I could tighten up on this XK140 applicable wording/detail, and from what you say the use of DURANIDE material looks to have been introduced from late XK120, rather than me suggesting maybe only from very early XK140, and on into XK150 (so fully covers XK140 period at least.

It would be great to establish something definitive for all XK140, and leave the demarcation debate with exactly when with late XK120, and indeed whether to end of XK150 or not, with E-types not relevant of course.

Roger


(Terry McGrath) #3
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Pictures please Terry.
My similar one-long-term owner from new XK140MC OTS (after buying car
from original owner in c1958) received a paint/trim colour change at
some stage, but still came with its original Biscuit Coloured
heavily-grained PVC Tonneau Cover, that I suspected was its original
Duranide cover, but I struggled with little solid evidence against
popular comment/belief and 100.0 point cars using Mohair (type)
material. Thus I was/had-to-be somewhat cautious with the wording I
used when writing-up/detailing Plate 11-a1 in JAGUAR XK140 EXPLORED.
It would be great if I could tighten up on this XK140 applicable
wording/detail, and from what you say the use of DURANIDE material looks
to have been introduced from late XK120, rather than me suggesting maybe
only from very early XK140, and on into XK150 (so fully covers XK140
period at least.
It would be great to establish something definitive for all XK140, and
leave the demarcation debate with exactly when with late XK120, and
indeed whether to end of XK150 or not, with E-types not relevant of
course.
Roger

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(Terry McGrath) #4
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Pictures please Terry.
My similar one-long-term owner from new XK140MC OTS (after buying car
from original owner in c1958) received a paint/trim colour change at
some stage, but still came with its original Biscuit Coloured
heavily-grained PVC Tonneau Cover, that I suspected was its original
Duranide cover, but I struggled with little solid evidence against
popular comment/belief and 100.0 point cars using Mohair (type)
material. Thus I was/had-to-be somewhat cautious with the wording I
used when writing-up/detailing Plate 11-a1 in JAGUAR XK140 EXPLORED.
It would be great if I could tighten up on this XK140 applicable
wording/detail, and from what you say the use of DURANIDE material looks
to have been introduced from late XK120, rather than me suggesting maybe
only from very early XK140, and on into XK150 (so fully covers XK140
period at least.
It would be great to establish something definitive for all XK140, and
leave the demarcation debate with exactly when with late XK120, and
indeed whether to end of XK150 or not, with E-types not relevant of
course.
Roger

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(Terry McGrath) #5
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Pictures please Terry.
My similar one-long-term owner from new XK140MC OTS (after buying car
from original owner in c1958) received a paint/trim colour change at
some stage, but still came with its original Biscuit Coloured
heavily-grained PVC Tonneau Cover, that I suspected was its original
Duranide cover, but I struggled with little solid evidence against
popular comment/belief and 100.0 point cars using Mohair (type)
material. Thus I was/had-to-be somewhat cautious with the wording I
used when writing-up/detailing Plate 11-a1 in JAGUAR XK140 EXPLORED.
It would be great if I could tighten up on this XK140 applicable
wording/detail, and from what you say the use of DURANIDE material looks
to have been introduced from late XK120, rather than me suggesting maybe
only from very early XK140, and on into XK150 (so fully covers XK140
period at least.
It would be great to establish something definitive for all XK140, and
leave the demarcation debate with exactly when with late XK120, and
indeed whether to end of XK150 or not, with E-types not relevant of
course.
Roger

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(Terry McGrath) #6
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Pictures please Terry.
My similar one-long-term owner from new XK140MC OTS (after buying car
from original owner in c1958) received a paint/trim colour change at
some stage, but still came with its original Biscuit Coloured
heavily-grained PVC Tonneau Cover, that I suspected was its original
Duranide cover, but I struggled with little solid evidence against
popular comment/belief and 100.0 point cars using Mohair (type)
material. Thus I was/had-to-be somewhat cautious with the wording I
used when writing-up/detailing Plate 11-a1 in JAGUAR XK140 EXPLORED.
It would be great if I could tighten up on this XK140 applicable
wording/detail, and from what you say the use of DURANIDE material looks
to have been introduced from late XK120, rather than me suggesting maybe
only from very early XK140, and on into XK150 (so fully covers XK140
period at least.
It would be great to establish something definitive for all XK140, and
leave the demarcation debate with exactly when with late XK120, and
indeed whether to end of XK150 or not, with E-types not relevant of
course.
Roger

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(Terry McGrath) #7

Apart from the material I was interested in manufacturing technique
stitching etc and the type of ZIPS
seems to be some problem getting old brass nickol plated zips of correct
size
But across a range of late 120’s and 140 roadsters all of them are
“heavily-grained PVC” and are the same as the XK150 one I have.


(Len Wheeler) #8

Terry

What color is the tonneau for the 150?

Len Wheeler


(Terry McGrath) #9

len I must admit not sure on the colour I did take pics see attached but
didn’t think it was black I will dig it out and check


(Roger Payne) #10

Terry,

This is all fantastic - well done.
You say you saw XK120 Tonneau Covers in both RED and GREEN material, we now identify as being DURANIDE (that Philip Porter describes as being “a heavily grained PVC with grey backing, believed to be the forerunner of ICI’s Everflex”

Three questions :

  1. Do you have any photos of the GREEN ?
    You show photos of the RED, and photos of BLACK, and is your XK150 Tonneau DARK BLUE rather than Black?
    My original XK140 Duranide Tonneau is BISCUIT coloured, so that is now up to five colours, albeit somewhere I recall a reference to their being SIX available colours as used by Jaguar.

  2. Re the XK120 Tonneau Covers, can you advise a CHASSIS NUMBER and/or a date-of-manufacture. I think we all agree early XK120s did have a MOHAIR material tonneau cover, so it would be great if we could establish an approximate date for the introduction of Duranide.

At this stage do we agree or disagree that all XK140 and all XK150 used DURANIDE, or do we have verified original XK140/150 examples actually in MOHAIR (or something else). I do know the overwhelming majority of XK140 and XK150 restorations are using MOHAIR - so this is a bit of a sensitive subject.

  1. Per chance, does anyone have any period advertisements/catalogues of various ICI materials - that show/include DURANIDE or indeed EVERFLEX?

Have you tried the camping suppliers or Army Disposals outlets for similar heavy-duty zips?
My original ZIP is in good re-useable condition, but at this stage not a 100% inspection.
How good is zip on your recent XK140 roadster acquisition?

Roger


(Len Wheeler) #11

No need Terry, I need Black or Biscuit. I have a pattern so I think I will have it made locally. Thanks!!


(paultg) #12

Terry-could you send a picture of the pull tab for the tonneau cover? I have an original zipper that I want to install in a new cover but it is missing the pull tab and I want to fabricate one. Thanks, Paul


(Roger King) #13

A couple of years ago I spent a lot of time (and a very large sum of money!) researching and having made a vinyl hood and tonneau for an original 1965 AC Cobra. This was meticulous in its correctness as far as was humanly possible, down to thread detail, cutting out etc., all copied from an original part lent by a friend. Indeed one of the main difficulties was in convincing the trimmer to cut to AC’s original panel design which was drawn for ease and cheapness of manufacture, not longevity.

The impossible bit (here in the UK, anyway) was the vinyl. I don’t know Duranide as AC used Everflex for the Cobra weathergear - the Ace may have had something earlier - but Everflex is no longer manufactured so a period-correct appearance vinyl hood cloth was used. Unfortunately neither the trimmer or I could locate any vinyl with the correct cream backing canvas, which doesn’t appear to have been made for some years now. This meant I had to use a light grey colour, which is at least in the spirit of the thing. I do not remember any British sportscar, until the Stag, using a mohair-type hooding material in the 60s or 70s. Obviously the XK’s a bit earlier and maybe a bit more luxurious, though.


(Nick Saltarelli) #14

Interesting thread. Missed it the first time through. I picked up a new-in-the-box black Robbins tonneau for my late production XK120 at Hershey last fall, supposedly a good reproduction. But this is why I’m posting now

Somewhere in storage I have the original green tonneau that came with my originally pastel green over suede green 1954 OTS. Pretty rough. If you’re still looking for photos of GREEN, Roger, let me know and I’ll dig it up.

Edit: I unearthed the tonneau and it’s not green as I remembered (senior moment?) but dove grey, the same as the soft top. Pics below.