[x300] Seafoam, what does everyone think?

In reply to a message from PeterCrespin sent Mon 12 Sep 2011:

I tend to relate fancy fuel additives to that old joke about
the guy waving a rolled up newspaper about. When asked why he
was doing it the answer was ‘‘to keep the wild elephants away’’.
‘‘But we’re in England, there are no wild elephants here’’.
‘‘There you go then. Just shows it works…’’–
Dave Collishaw '79 Daimler Sovereign '96 X305 '56 BSA A10
Cambridgeshire, United Kingdom
–Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]–
–Support Jag-lovers - Donate at http://www.jag-lovers.org/donate04.php

In reply to a message from sparx sent Mon 12 Sep 2011:

Great observation, Dave.–
Ross - 89 XJS, 98 XJR, 99 XJR, 02 XJ8
–Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]–
–Support Jag-lovers - Donate at http://www.jag-lovers.org/donate04.php

In reply to a message from sparkenzap sent Thu 15 Sep 2011:

Too Florida for me…Dark colors look good against chrome. ;)–
2001 Athricite VDP
–Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]–
–Support Jag-lovers - Donate at http://www.jag-lovers.org/donate04.php

In reply to a message from gary breyer sent Sun 11 Sep 2011:

I sure would exoect to change the spark plugs after passing that
loosened gunk through the combustion chamber, never on new plugs
and also get it good and hot and revved up to burn out what you
can, I still prefer atf, it’s gentle, you could just administer it
until it stalls (at idle and not in big gulps–horrors) then start
it up and blow it out–
Rlysmthn '96 VDP Black/ OM Los Angeles '80 QP x2
–Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]–
–Support Jag-lovers - Donate at http://www.jag-lovers.org/donate04.php

In reply to a message from rlysmthn sent Sat 17 Sep 2011:

I’m wondering just where this gunk comes from. From my
understanding of internal cumbustion engines air, fuel and
spark are introduced into a cylinder where the volitile
mixture and proper timing create an explosion that is
subsequantley exhausted.

I thought that the air passed through a rather tight filter
as does the fuel. The spark is just an electric arc so not
able to bring in contraband from outside.

I have a 200K mile intake and head off of a vehicle at
present. Nothing is found in the intake passages other
than, well air. I see nothing either in the very clean new
looking cylinders.

My question then, albeit somewhat rhetorical, is what are
we trying to clean with this stuff?

A friend swears by these American Native sticks that you
put in your ear and light to pull the wax out. I’ve
witnessed the demo and it seems to me that the residue that
they point at in proof of the removed wax is actually
burned paper and wax that is impregnanted on the paper.

Could the smoke that is used as proof that seafoam works
merely the result of the seafoam passing through the
cumbustion chamber? Or more to the point. Is it not the
seafoam itself that is the contaminant that the seafoam is
clearing from the system? Which I would guess could all be
avoided by not administering the seafoam to begin with.

Talking about proving things with actual data, someone is
going to have to put alot of work into an analysis before
I’ll believe that seafoam and all other additives (that are
not recommended by the manufacture) are doing any good and
more importanly are doing no harm.–
The original message included these comments:

I sure would exoect to change the spark plugs after passing that
loosened gunk through the combustion chamber, never on new plugs
and also get it good and hot and revved up to burn out what you

Rlysmthn '96 VDP Black/ OM Los Angeles '80 QP x2


Jack XJ8L 1999 70K miles
York, PA, United States
–Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]–
–Support Jag-lovers - Donate at http://www.jag-lovers.org/donate04.php

In reply to a message from Jack Hollibaugh sent Sat 17 Sep 2011:

Jack,
In the good old days, yes as all engines burn some amout of oil, the
combustion process adds a carbon build up on the tops of the pistons, the
seepage of same oil down the valve guides does cause a buildup of same
carbon on the back of the valves.
Shurely you have seen in auto parts stores the displays where they have
acutal
various engine parts showing the before and after effects.

I agree with you that its all snake oil salesmanship!

But I also remember putting MMO into cars to try and free up a sticky lifter
I also remember pouring trans fluid slowly into a carb to loosen the carbon
on the pistons and rings, and left it overnight when the engine quit.

I can say for a fact that I personally killed every misquito in all of
southern AZ ;-‘’)

According to the XJS forum, everything can be cured by a Italian tuneup ;-‘’)

Darrell–
The original message included these comments:

I’m wondering just where this gunk comes from. From my


95 X-300 02 VDP http://www.jag-lovers.org/v.htm?1287957641
Delavan Wi., United States
–Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]–
–Support Jag-lovers - Donate at http://www.jag-lovers.org/donate04.php

1 Like

In reply to a message from Jack Hollibaugh sent Sat 17 Sep 2011:

Interesting thread
A subject that I have been interested in for the past 50 years.
What I noticed is that over the years engine cleanliness has
changed drastically. All in all they are much cleaner today than
at any other time I can remember. To a very large extent the
engines are cleaner because of the oil that we using these days is
simply better.
The additive package is better, particularly the additive that acts
as an antioxidant . It�s the antioxidant that prevents the
formation of sludge. But when the additive wares out, and it
does, the sludge will be start to grow again. A good reason to
change oil.
The API certifications change about every two or three years . Most
times in response to changes in engine technology as well as
changes in EPA requirements. A few years ago it was common to
have a bunch of ZDDP as an additive. It was a great high pressure,
anti scuffing additive. Frankly without it engines with flat
lifters and high valve spring pressures are living on borrowed
time. But the EPA found out that the ZDDP was reducing the use
full life of our catalytic converters, so every two or three years
since the late 80�s the API has come out with a new specification
that the API responds to by reducing the amount of ZDDP in the
latest oil spec… That started when we had SH oils, still the
best for motorcycles and muscle car engines. As far as I know
Oilzum is the only company making an SH oil these days. Today SN
is the 2011 spec. It�s focus is to improve gas millage, reduce
pollution, and one of the new additives that ha s been added is
an additive to protect engine from the use of E-85 gasoline.
In addition to the API periodically changing our oils, we have
this incredible collection of petroleum based oils that according
to our courts can call themselves 100% Synthetics. Hog wash.
These synthetic wannabes s have gone through an additional
Chevron Iso De-Waxing Process that has reduced the amount of wax
in the oil from a full dinner candle to � a dinner candle. That�s
nice!
Real synthetics don�t have any wax! In addition the wannabes
have also been refined further to increase their natural viscosity
to 120. That�s a good thing. It allows the additive package to
reduce the amount of Viscosity Index Improvers.

So we get to the question where does the crud in the engine come
from.
I have been doing leak down tests on my own engines for the past
20 years. What I have found is that if the engine isn�t sealing
itself very well, it�s because the top compression rings cannot
move freely in their ring groves … What�s should happen; as
the ignited gasses in the combustion chamber are expanding, a
small amount of them sneak between the piston and the cylinder
wall, until they get to the compression ring. Then they travel
across the top surface of the ring and into the space behind the
ring pushing the ring out against the cylinder wall, sealing the
engine preventing the products of combustion from getting into the
crank case.

So if you have any blow by, the chances are that you have been
using good old fashioned petroleum oil for a long time and your top
ring is stuck in the ash from burned viscosity Index Improvers.
Real synthetic oil doesn�t have any VII�s. And it doesn�t have
any wax. So the ash left from burning
VII �s doesn�t exist and the wax that forms sludge when the
antioxidents wear out doesn�t exist either.

The real synthetics made from esters that make up what they call
group V stocks, also have a natural solvent action that dissolves
varnish ,and coaked oils, and sludge. Using them will, over time,
eventually, get rid of the stuff that�s plugging up the top ring
land and will return the engine to leak down tests that will be
better than when the engine was new. Performance gets better,
gas millage gets better, the engine will last longer, and the oil
change interval will increase dramatically if you have a
professional oil analysis done once a year you will see gradual
dramatic improvements in all of the things they measure
particularly the additives will be in great shape even after 20,000
miles. After it�s cleaned up. But it won�t happen immediately
you will need to be patient while your oil does the wash.

Would I use Seafoam, not even in my lawnmower.
Would I use an oil that is basically the same as it was 50 years
ago, not even in my lawn mower.
I wouldn�t use the Petroleum / Synthetics either, even though they
are much much better than the plain old Group III Stock based oils
that still represent over 85% of the motor oil being sold.

Regards
Pete–
SpeedyPAL 1995 XJR
Milford / OH, United States
–Posted using Jag-lovers JagFORUM [forums.jag-lovers.org]–
–Support Jag-lovers - Donate at http://www.jag-lovers.org/donate04.php

Thank you SpeedyPAL,Thank you for the update, Seafoam curdles my milk. I am still Victory Garage in Los Angeles Ca. 90006 I have been retired from the garage business in 1996 though kept the license, There are 9 cars in the yard 1996 X300, VDP black, next up is 2002 S type 3.0 topaz daily driver, 2005 STR platinum, 2011 XJL X351 lunar gray there was a now missed X40 1993 oyster had 131,000 1 owner garaged I got hit across the front from the side, rest in peace oh nimble friend your poise balance and visibility are unequaled

l

Through the years I’ve fed many an engine plain tap water, dribbled poured thinly down the venturi of carb at aprx 2000 rpm,(higher) be careful if you do this pls don’t slug the engine let it down slowly stop if the engine stumbles let it stall 'gallop not, do no harm feed slowly this has been my go to since 1966 and I agree we don’t see many engines at 70,000 mi that have their valve covers up to the scuppers with sludge and ash the worst I guess is a caramel film,sure isn’t the old days, no more ridge reaming, viva lubricants beyond MS

The ITU may cure cancer. Never heard anything about Alex Trebek thrashing his V12 XJS.

I know there are many proponents of it … However, I have also watched many YouTubers testing it on their cars, with different results/opinions … By those I am referring to the “pour in” version of SF. The majority seemed to find it resulted in no noticeable difference with their engines/running afterwards, or at least nothing more than competing products did for them. :-1:

As to the “spray direct” version of SF (i.e. into the throttle bore/plate), one of the YouTubers did a very careful and meticulous comparison between the effect SeaFoam had on cleaning deposits off the piston heads (using a fiber optic cam to inspect things in there) vs. similar products. IIRC, he also examined the valves. I admit that it did look to me, in the “before vs. after” pics, that SeaFoam did a remarkable job in that regard, one which exceeded that of the competing products that were tried. :+1:

Bottom line, I’d say don’t waste your $$ on the pour-in version of SF, but go for the direct spray stuff indeed. In fact, when I get some time to remove the air intake “elbow” and throttle intake “hose” off of Superblue in the future, I’m to give it a go with her. :thinking:

After my post below, I remembered that back in college I used SF on my '71 Opel GT – just poured the stuff slowly down the bore of its (typically troublesome :roll_eyes: ) OEM Solex carburetor while it idled. And yes, lot of white smoke out the exhaust until the engine almost stalled out :open_mouth: … Let it idle awhile longer and then resumed pouring, back and forth like that, until the bottle was empty. I admit for that type of engine (i.e. carbureted) it did seem to make a big difference in her performance afterwards, esp. in regard to maintaining smooth idles. :+1:

That’s the ONLY thing that worried me when I saw that YouTube video of the before vs. after of piston heads following use of the “direct spray” SF product. Had to wonder whether the SF truly dissolved the head deposits or just dislodged them. :thinking: If the latter, then possibly away the pieces went into other parts of the engine, maybe to wreak havoc somehow in the future there in the ways you mentioned. :grimacing: