[x300] Seafoam, what does everyone think?

what does everyone think about running seafoam through a
jaguar? How much would you need? I used a entire bottle the
other day and poured some in the engine and gas tank, and
didnt notice any type of smoke or anything.–
ML
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In reply to a message from NYCGotti sent Thu 8 Sep 2011:

You must be doing something wrong. I ran a small hose into the
intake of my Land Rover and let the vacuum suck it in until the
engine stalls - on a warm engine - then let it sit for an hour or
so and crank it back up. Do this in the middle of the night, or
somewhere where the neighbors won’t call the fire dept. on you. I
wouldn’t try it on the Jag, but that’s just me.–
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what does everyone think about running seafoam through a
jaguar? How much would you need? I used a entire bottle the
other day and poured some in the engine and gas tank, and
didnt notice any type of smoke or anything.

ML


Jim Legge '96 LR Disco '01 Jag X308
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In reply to a message from James Legge sent Thu 8 Sep 2011:

Check the MSDS on Seafoam, it’s a pretty basic mixture of
common solvents (petroleum distillates (lighter fluid)).
Redline injector cleaner has a high concentration of polyol
ester which is thought to be the best cleaner.
Plus it is added to the tank and you don’t have to mess with
the intake system and the smoke.–
Dan, 2000 XJ8, 125k mi, Bay Area, California
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In reply to a message from James Legge sent Thu 8 Sep 2011:

all of the additives scare the bejusus out of me, there are only a
few that I trust and then in sparing use, used to put lots of atf
down the carbs whith the engine running, it made lots of smoke but
celared up many ills, I don’t dare do it any more, the worst that I
have gotten in modern history is burning out the coolant from the
catylitic, that makes lots of glycoly smelling smoke. I didn’t
think that the seafoam and such makes any smoke at all, my guess is
that they burn clean–
Rlysmthn '96 VDP Black/ OM Los Angeles '80 QP x2
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In reply to a message from NYCGotti sent Thu 8 Sep 2011:

oh yeah, there are a few types of Seafoam to choose from, I believe
that that they are all solvents–
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In reply to a message from rlysmthn sent Thu 8 Sep 2011:

There is no way I would put any, and I mean ANY additive into one
of my vehicles. Not even my 1968 piece of junk Dodge truck.

I was in the automotive repair business longer than a few of you
have been alive and I have seen first hand what that crap does to
the inside of engines and transmissions.

At best, they do nothing at all to help what ever you think is
needed. At worst they dislodge crud and sludge which in turn gets
in to places they are not wanted… like oil passage ways, fuel
injector pintels, and bearing journals.

Nope… not me.

Cheers,

Dave–
1996 4.0 x300http://picasaweb.google.com/JozJag/JozJagJaguar
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I’d like to hear from Mr. Gotti as to what he has gleaned from the answers
this far.

Just sayin he may be trying to unleash all the horses he can to carry a
bunch of cement shoes. 'Course I suppose those horses would be headless? I
wonder what a Jag horse head would look like in a bed…

Buddabing.

Cheers,
Jack - '99 XJ8L PA USA

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There is no way I would put any, and I mean ANY additive into one
of my vehicles. Not even my 1968 piece of junk Dodge truck.

I was in the automotive repair business longer than a few of you
have been alive and I have seen first hand what that crap does to
the inside of engines and transmissions.

At best, they do nothing at all to help what ever you think is
needed. At worst they dislodge crud and sludge which in turn gets
in to places they are not wanted… like oil passage ways, fuel
injector pintels, and bearing journals.

Nope… not me.

Cheers,

Dave–
1996 4.0 Albuquerque,New Mexico, United States
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In reply to a message from Jack Hollibaugh sent Fri 9 Sep 2011:

youse guys are pigeons–
Ross - 89 XJS, 98 XJR, 99 XJR, 02 XJ8
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In reply to a message from sparkenzap sent Fri 9 Sep 2011:

Ross,

I’m getting very concerned about you. Your last few posts have
contained no technical references, advice or problem solutions. I
thought that you, of all people, would resist the urge to descend
into trivia and flippancy a la Jack Hollibaugh:-(

Welcome to the dark side:-)>–
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youse guys are pigeons
Ross - 89 XJS, 98 XJR, 99 XJR, 02 XJ8


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In reply to a message from gary breyer sent Fri 9 Sep 2011:

Well, I was worrying for my well being, but the OP does not seem to
read many of the replies anyway. He certainly never ofers any
feedback on the outcome.

As to the off topics, I tried to post some on the esteemed Mr.
Crespin’s Pub board, but pretty quickly I was called out for making
claims I admit I could not back up (having listened to my
supposedly betters and having believed them and repeated what they
said). Then I posted on another topic and it got auto bounced,
claiming I was in violation of the forum’s policies about offensive
language. I have apparently become so ill mannered that I could
not even figure out what was offensive, even after re-trying three
times. So, I figured I better come back here where folks expect my
smart aleky behavior.–
Ross - 89 XJS, 98 XJR, 99 XJR, 02 XJ8
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In reply to a message from gary breyer sent Fri 9 Sep 2011:

Well Gary, those that can do. Those that can’t decend into
trivia and flippancy. ;-p–
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thought that you, of all people, would resist the urge to descend
into trivia and flippancy a la Jack Hollibaugh:-(
Welcome to the dark side:-)>
London, United Kingdom


Jack XJ8L 1999 70K miles
York, PA, United States
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In reply to a message from sparkenzap sent Fri 9 Sep 2011:

Duely noted Ross’
The pub is for people without manners, your posts were rejected because they
did not contain the required paraphrases.
I.E. If you had said Gary wastes space, or some other such nonsense, it
would have flew through the filters, something about the pub admin ;-’’)

I also think MR. Gotti is yanking a chain. No offense meant.

Darrell–
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Well, I was worrying for my well being, but the OP does not seem to
read many of the replies anyway. He certainly never ofers any
feedback on the outcome.
As to the off topics, I tried to post some on the esteemed Mr.
Crespin’s Pub board, but pretty quickly I was called out for making
said). Then I posted on another topic and it got auto bounced,
claiming I was in violation of the forum’s policies about offensive


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In reply to a message from Jack Hollibaugh sent Sat 10 Sep 2011:

Jack,

I am guilty of both so, does that make me an over-achiever:-)?–
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Well Gary, those that can do. Those that can’t decend into
trivia and flippancy. ;-p
Jack XJ8L 1999 70K miles
York, PA, United States


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In reply to a message from gary breyer sent Sun 11 Sep 2011:

On a serious note - Seafoam, just like its British
equivalents, are a hangover from the days when petrol
refining was a lot less precise than today, and when petrol
contained high quantities of sulphur, carbon and ash.
Coupled with early engine’s need to burn oil (to lube the
top ring and valve guides), the result was severe carbon
build-up within the combustion chamber and valve pockets.
Hence the need to de-coke every 30k miles.
These highly volatile ‘cleaners’ attempted to burn off the
build-up, but in my view all they did was strip the top end
lube off the cylinder walls.
Today de-coking is unheard of. Modern machining techniques,
lube oil technology and petrol refining have made the use of
these chemicals unnecessary.
But if you have already bought the stuff, try it with
blackcurrant or lime juice - but you’ll have a hell of a
hangover!–
Careful what you say bout me - one day they might let me out
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In reply to a message from jimforrest sent Sun 11 Sep 2011:

We do receive comments from the USA on this forum of brown
gunge and similar problems affecting their fuel delivery
systems and I just wonder if maybe their refining or storage
(or evaporation in the heat?) is not as good as ours in the UK?

So although we over here might consider it to be snake oil,
the use of Seafoam products might prove beneficial in
certain situations.

I must admit to using injector cleaner about once a year;
dunno if it does any good but my cars don’t seem to have any
fuel delivery problems, at least so far. But then they
might be just as good without it - who knows?

Best wishes from Jim Butterworth
http://www.watchet.dolphins.btinternet.co.uk/

What I need is an exact list of specific unknown problems we
might, or might not, encounter–
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On a serious note - Seafoam, just like its British
equivalents, are a hangover from the days when petrol
refining was a lot less precise than today, and when petrol
contained high quantities of sulphur, carbon and ash.


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In reply to a message from sfj642 sent Sun 11 Sep 2011:

I would guess that if the US has problems with fuel it
would have to do with storage at the petrol station. In
comparison even the most remote UK station (except maybe
very very north Scotland) would be no more desolate than
one of our suburban stations. We have some really out in
the sticks stations which may not see much traffic and the
premium fuel tanks would probably have very little use so
contamination may occur.

I’ve got somewhere around 750k miles total on my cars that
have never seen fuel treatments. I have had two fuel pumps
go south but atrribute that (without any basis) to ethanol.

My 200k mile truck that I have the head off at present is
as clean a a whistle in the cam, chain and cylinder. I do
change oil more than the average bear though (but don’t
know if that helps).

I have looked at other high mileage cars and seen charred
oil deposits in the valve cover but have no idea how it got
there. However I suspect long oil change intervals with
again nothing to base that on.

Absolutely nothing of value in my post save for a bit of
finger exercising (or is that exorcising)? Bahahahaha

I do fail to see what a pint or two of solvent will do to
rid the engine of some deep seated gunk or goo though. But
that’s just me.–
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We do receive comments from the USA on this forum of brown
gunge and similar problems affecting their fuel delivery
systems and I just wonder if maybe their refining or storage
Somerset, United Kingdom


Jack XJ8L 1999 70K miles
York, PA, United States
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In reply to a message from Jack Hollibaugh sent Sun 11 Sep 2011:

And we all keep this jokers thread alive?- And so on and so on and
scooby doobie do—
Ross - 89 XJS, 98 XJR, 99 XJR, 02 XJ8
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In reply to a message from sparkenzap sent Sun 11 Sep 2011:

Scooby dooby doo?

It’s a slow night, it’s still raining and it may even be
full moon for all I know.–
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And we all keep this jokers thread alive?- And so on and so on and
scooby doobie do-

Ross - 89 XJS, 98 XJR, 99 XJR, 02 XJ8


Jack XJ8L 1999 70K miles
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In reply to a message from Jack Hollibaugh sent Sun 11 Sep 2011:

Jack

I think it depends upon whether you use logic or psychology
:-))

Best wishes from Jim Butterworth
http://www.watchet.dolphins.btinternet.co.uk/

If in doubt, take the easy way out and do nothing !–
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I do fail to see what a pint or two of solvent will do to
rid the engine of some deep seated gunk or goo though. But
that’s just me.


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In reply to a message from Jack Hollibaugh sent Sun 11 Sep 2011:

I think it was a full moon, or close.

Had cause to take the head of a very high mileage Citroen 4-pot
diesel a few years ago. We’re talking faily old-tech diesel, partly
run on vegetable oil too. Couldn’t believe how clean it was inside.
Astonishing.

Now it could be that high-comp diesels scour the gunge out of the
combustion chambers better than petrol engines, but as this was by
not a modern lean burn turbo kind of deal and had not had
especially frequent oil changes, I fully expected heavy carbon
deposits. Instead you could see some bare metal surfaces and where
there was carbon it was very light and thin.

I think the likes of seafoam, if used, may help throttle body
cleaning and possibly softer gunge on the back of the valves but
I’d only contemplate it directly before an oil change.

Pete–
1E75339 66 D, 1E33100 66 FHC, 1E78968 68 2+2, 1R7977 69 OTS
Cambridge, United Kingdom
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